COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

How big are the schools there? It's far easier to reopen with smaller schools or schools able to social distance. We would not able to social distance or much else which was the issue. A small private with 100 kids and tons of space can far more easily do that than a public with 3000 kids.

Their schools are as big or bigger! Suburban schools in Denver are just as big as the ones around here. And schools in DCPS are tiny -- many of the elementaries have just a few hundred kids. Some of the charters even less.

I mean, do you hear yourselves? There's always an excuse as to why schools elsewhere reopened much earlier than here, but the are all BS. The DMV is not substantially different from any other large metropolitan area in terms of demographics, school size and resources, etc. In fact, much of the DMV is significantly richer than other places which should have made reopening more likely, not less.

The biggest thing the DMV lacked in terms of getting kids back in school? Will. The places that reopened schools, whether you are talking about Germany or Des Moines or Mexico City, did so because they view school as a fundamental part of a functional society, and knew kids and families would struggle mightily without it. So they found ways to do it, whether it was hybrid schedules, shortened school days, opening windows and having kids where winter coats to class, aggressive quarantine policies, etc. And then when vaccines came they were able to relax some of those restrictions but didn't have to change much else because schools were already open.

In the DMV, we adopted this attitude excuse-making and elaborate explanations for why we're different than other places. It was hubris, this unchangeable belief that we are smarter and more conscientious than all other people. We're not. We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

Do you and others like you on this thread really believe that? Are you so traumatized that you actually believe the motivation was to hurt kids? Or lack of care about kids?

I am not arguing for keeping kids out of school or that kids shouldn't have gone back earlier than they did; far from it. But every time I read a post like yours that ends with a statement about hating kids or not caring, I just wonder what the F is wrong with you that this is your takeaway. That you actually believe that this was the motivation or that people you are arguing with online don't love their kids or don't care about kids. WTF. You need to get a grip.

DP. This is the problem with narcissists like you. Insult those that do not get your insane way of thinking.

You are confused and are using words you clearly don't understand. It is far from narcissistic to give people some grace about their decision making during a world-wide pandemic caused by a novel virus. Even if you don't agree with what they did. Even if you agree action should be taken now to help kids.

It is incredibly weird to think that there was a hateful conspiracy against school children and tell the people who call you out on it that they are insane.

You are most likely just a trolly troll who actually hates kids and schools.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

A job. Do you have one?

Ok, so, why are you posting here when you should be working. Clearly you have flexibility. How do you make it work summers? Everyone else made it work, why could you not?

Sensitive that you don't have a job where you're contributing to society?

I contribute plenty. Having a job is not necessarily contributing to society. It is contributing to your personal needs and household. If you did not work your job, someone else would. Or, it clearly isn't necessary.

I struck a nerve, apparently.

Yes, I'm sure you're a very important person on your fibromyalgia internet forums.

Sure. Does being mean make you happy because nothing else seems to. Since you are struggling with your Covid depression you should seek help.

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Anonymous wrote:Please! Librarians did not want to go back to work so a few homeless people would not come to the library! In MoCo.
Poor students suffered tremendously by sitting next to the wall of libraries to get some "remote" schooling done while their parents had to work at McDonald's and Wegmans and Chipotle so YOU all could get your food.
Rich people are always the same, me, me, nad some more about me.

They had child care for those families. It’s rich you don’t know that.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

How big are the schools there? It's far easier to reopen with smaller schools or schools able to social distance. We would not able to social distance or much else which was the issue. A small private with 100 kids and tons of space can far more easily do that than a public with 3000 kids.

Their schools are as big or bigger! Suburban schools in Denver are just as big as the ones around here. And schools in DCPS are tiny -- many of the elementaries have just a few hundred kids. Some of the charters even less.

I mean, do you hear yourselves? There's always an excuse as to why schools elsewhere reopened much earlier than here, but the are all BS. The DMV is not substantially different from any other large metropolitan area in terms of demographics, school size and resources, etc. In fact, much of the DMV is significantly richer than other places which should have made reopening more likely, not less.

The biggest thing the DMV lacked in terms of getting kids back in school? Will. The places that reopened schools, whether you are talking about Germany or Des Moines or Mexico City, did so because they view school as a fundamental part of a functional society, and knew kids and families would struggle mightily without it. So they found ways to do it, whether it was hybrid schedules, shortened school days, opening windows and having kids where winter coats to class, aggressive quarantine policies, etc. And then when vaccines came they were able to relax some of those restrictions but didn't have to change much else because schools were already open.

In the DMV, we adopted this attitude excuse-making and elaborate explanations for why we're different than other places. It was hubris, this unchangeable belief that we are smarter and more conscientious than all other people. We're not. We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

Do you and others like you on this thread really believe that? Are you so traumatized that you actually believe the motivation was to hurt kids? Or lack of care about kids?

I am not arguing for keeping kids out of school or that kids shouldn't have gone back earlier than they did; far from it. But every time I read a post like yours that ends with a statement about hating kids or not caring, I just wonder what the F is wrong with you that this is your takeaway. That you actually believe that this was the motivation or that people you are arguing with online don't love their kids or don't care about kids. WTF. You need to get a grip.

The entire planet faced Covid. While it may have been correct to close schools in March 2020 as we dealt with the unknown, it was a terrible mistake to keep public schools closed for another year. Europe had schools open. A good percentage of the US had in person schooling. But we closed our public schools. And yet we let private schools remain open. Bars. Restaurants. Stores.

We threw public school kids under the bus. Apparently to make a stupid political point. Republicans kept schools open, ergo we must close ours. Never mind that private schools were open. People were going to bars. It was just a show. And the kids were the victims of it. I will never vote for any politician in this area who had anything to do with that.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

How big are the schools there? It's far easier to reopen with smaller schools or schools able to social distance. We would not able to social distance or much else which was the issue. A small private with 100 kids and tons of space can far more easily do that than a public with 3000 kids.

Their schools are as big or bigger! Suburban schools in Denver are just as big as the ones around here. And schools in DCPS are tiny -- many of the elementaries have just a few hundred kids. Some of the charters even less.

I mean, do you hear yourselves? There's always an excuse as to why schools elsewhere reopened much earlier than here, but the are all BS. The DMV is not substantially different from any other large metropolitan area in terms of demographics, school size and resources, etc. In fact, much of the DMV is significantly richer than other places which should have made reopening more likely, not less.

The biggest thing the DMV lacked in terms of getting kids back in school? Will. The places that reopened schools, whether you are talking about Germany or Des Moines or Mexico City, did so because they view school as a fundamental part of a functional society, and knew kids and families would struggle mightily without it. So they found ways to do it, whether it was hybrid schedules, shortened school days, opening windows and having kids where winter coats to class, aggressive quarantine policies, etc. And then when vaccines came they were able to relax some of those restrictions but didn't have to change much else because schools were already open.

In the DMV, we adopted this attitude excuse-making and elaborate explanations for why we're different than other places. It was hubris, this unchangeable belief that we are smarter and more conscientious than all other people. We're not. We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

Do you and others like you on this thread really believe that? Are you so traumatized that you actually believe the motivation was to hurt kids? Or lack of care about kids?

I am not arguing for keeping kids out of school or that kids shouldn't have gone back earlier than they did; far from it. But every time I read a post like yours that ends with a statement about hating kids or not caring, I just wonder what the F is wrong with you that this is your takeaway. That you actually believe that this was the motivation or that people you are arguing with online don't love their kids or don't care about kids. WTF. You need to get a grip.

The entire planet faced Covid. While it may have been correct to close schools in March 2020 as we dealt with the unknown, it was a terrible mistake to keep public schools closed for another year. Europe had schools open. A good percentage of the US had in person schooling. But we closed our public schools. And yet we let private schools remain open. Bars. Restaurants. Stores.

We threw public school kids under the bus. Apparently to make a stupid political point. Republicans kept schools open, ergo we must close ours. Never mind that private schools were open. People were going to bars. It was just a show. And the kids were the victims of it. I will never vote for any politician in this area who had anything to do with that.

No, it was a terrible mistake not to shut down other things as well and to be so relaxed about it. So many lives could have been saved it people just acted more responsibly and cared about others. How many kids lost their parents, their grandparents and other relatives? That is far more traumatic than virtual school.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

How big are the schools there? It's far easier to reopen with smaller schools or schools able to social distance. We would not able to social distance or much else which was the issue. A small private with 100 kids and tons of space can far more easily do that than a public with 3000 kids.

Their schools are as big or bigger! Suburban schools in Denver are just as big as the ones around here. And schools in DCPS are tiny -- many of the elementaries have just a few hundred kids. Some of the charters even less.

I mean, do you hear yourselves? There's always an excuse as to why schools elsewhere reopened much earlier than here, but the are all BS. The DMV is not substantially different from any other large metropolitan area in terms of demographics, school size and resources, etc. In fact, much of the DMV is significantly richer than other places which should have made reopening more likely, not less.

The biggest thing the DMV lacked in terms of getting kids back in school? Will. The places that reopened schools, whether you are talking about Germany or Des Moines or Mexico City, did so because they view school as a fundamental part of a functional society, and knew kids and families would struggle mightily without it. So they found ways to do it, whether it was hybrid schedules, shortened school days, opening windows and having kids where winter coats to class, aggressive quarantine policies, etc. And then when vaccines came they were able to relax some of those restrictions but didn't have to change much else because schools were already open.

In the DMV, we adopted this attitude excuse-making and elaborate explanations for why we're different than other places. It was hubris, this unchangeable belief that we are smarter and more conscientious than all other people. We're not. We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

Do you and others like you on this thread really believe that? Are you so traumatized that you actually believe the motivation was to hurt kids? Or lack of care about kids?

I am not arguing for keeping kids out of school or that kids shouldn't have gone back earlier than they did; far from it. But every time I read a post like yours that ends with a statement about hating kids or not caring, I just wonder what the F is wrong with you that this is your takeaway. That you actually believe that this was the motivation or that people you are arguing with online don't love their kids or don't care about kids. WTF. You need to get a grip.

DP. This is the problem with narcissists like you. Insult those that do not get your insane way of thinking.

You are confused and are using words you clearly don't understand. It is far from narcissistic to give people some grace about their decision making during a world-wide pandemic caused by a novel virus. Even if you don't agree with what they did. Even if you agree action should be taken now to help kids.

It is incredibly weird to think that there was a hateful conspiracy against school children and tell the people who call you out on it that they are insane.

You are most likely just a trolly troll who actually hates kids and schools.

OMG, this is hilarious! I at least just arrived to from my trip hence why I am awake. Nobody thinks there was a hateful conspiracy but you keep on narcing! I mean textbook NPD! I am laughing so hard AT you. Narcs are so good at insulting and never being wrong.
You do know people think you are an abusive psychopath, right? You do, you totally know that you are an abusive parent, mom, daughter...

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

How big are the schools there? It's far easier to reopen with smaller schools or schools able to social distance. We would not able to social distance or much else which was the issue. A small private with 100 kids and tons of space can far more easily do that than a public with 3000 kids.

Their schools are as big or bigger! Suburban schools in Denver are just as big as the ones around here. And schools in DCPS are tiny -- many of the elementaries have just a few hundred kids. Some of the charters even less.

I mean, do you hear yourselves? There's always an excuse as to why schools elsewhere reopened much earlier than here, but the are all BS. The DMV is not substantially different from any other large metropolitan area in terms of demographics, school size and resources, etc. In fact, much of the DMV is significantly richer than other places which should have made reopening more likely, not less.

The biggest thing the DMV lacked in terms of getting kids back in school? Will. The places that reopened schools, whether you are talking about Germany or Des Moines or Mexico City, did so because they view school as a fundamental part of a functional society, and knew kids and families would struggle mightily without it. So they found ways to do it, whether it was hybrid schedules, shortened school days, opening windows and having kids where winter coats to class, aggressive quarantine policies, etc. And then when vaccines came they were able to relax some of those restrictions but didn't have to change much else because schools were already open.

In the DMV, we adopted this attitude excuse-making and elaborate explanations for why we're different than other places. It was hubris, this unchangeable belief that we are smarter and more conscientious than all other people. We're not. We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

Do you and others like you on this thread really believe that? Are you so traumatized that you actually believe the motivation was to hurt kids? Or lack of care about kids?

I am not arguing for keeping kids out of school or that kids shouldn't have gone back earlier than they did; far from it. But every time I read a post like yours that ends with a statement about hating kids or not caring, I just wonder what the F is wrong with you that this is your takeaway. That you actually believe that this was the motivation or that people you are arguing with online don't love their kids or don't care about kids. WTF. You need to get a grip.

DP. This is the problem with narcissists like you. Insult those that do not get your insane way of thinking.

You are confused and are using words you clearly don't understand. It is far from narcissistic to give people some grace about their decision making during a world-wide pandemic caused by a novel virus. Even if you don't agree with what they did. Even if you agree action should be taken now to help kids.

It is incredibly weird to think that there was a hateful conspiracy against school children and tell the people who call you out on it that they are insane.

You are most likely just a trolly troll who actually hates kids and schools.

OMG, this is hilarious! I at least just arrived to from my trip hence why I am awake. Nobody thinks there was a hateful conspiracy but you keep on narcing! I mean textbook NPD! I am laughing so hard AT you. Narcs are so good at insulting and never being wrong.
You do know people think you are an abusive psychopath, right? You do, you totally know that you are an abusive parent, mom, daughter...

This is a classic dcum response, but, dude, you are totally unhinged. And can't read. The original comment was in response to the PP above who said:

We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

That type of line is all over this thread and others. It's right there.

Laugh away... That doesn't really change anything. With each post you get weirder and weirder and make less sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Please! Librarians did not want to go back to work so a few homeless people would not come to the library! In MoCo.
Poor students suffered tremendously by sitting next to the wall of libraries to get some "remote" schooling done while their parents had to work at McDonald's and Wegmans and Chipotle so YOU all could get your food.
Rich people are always the same, me, me, nad some more about me.

They had child care for those families. It’s rich you don’t know that.

Really? 15-year-olds were in child care? Funny, seems many were just smoking pot and not doing any school at all. Did you ever drive by Aspen Hill?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

How big are the schools there? It's far easier to reopen with smaller schools or schools able to social distance. We would not able to social distance or much else which was the issue. A small private with 100 kids and tons of space can far more easily do that than a public with 3000 kids.

Their schools are as big or bigger! Suburban schools in Denver are just as big as the ones around here. And schools in DCPS are tiny -- many of the elementaries have just a few hundred kids. Some of the charters even less.

I mean, do you hear yourselves? There's always an excuse as to why schools elsewhere reopened much earlier than here, but the are all BS. The DMV is not substantially different from any other large metropolitan area in terms of demographics, school size and resources, etc. In fact, much of the DMV is significantly richer than other places which should have made reopening more likely, not less.

The biggest thing the DMV lacked in terms of getting kids back in school? Will. The places that reopened schools, whether you are talking about Germany or Des Moines or Mexico City, did so because they view school as a fundamental part of a functional society, and knew kids and families would struggle mightily without it. So they found ways to do it, whether it was hybrid schedules, shortened school days, opening windows and having kids where winter coats to class, aggressive quarantine policies, etc. And then when vaccines came they were able to relax some of those restrictions but didn't have to change much else because schools were already open.

In the DMV, we adopted this attitude excuse-making and elaborate explanations for why we're different than other places. It was hubris, this unchangeable belief that we are smarter and more conscientious than all other people. We're not. We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

Do you and others like you on this thread really believe that? Are you so traumatized that you actually believe the motivation was to hurt kids? Or lack of care about kids?

I am not arguing for keeping kids out of school or that kids shouldn't have gone back earlier than they did; far from it. But every time I read a post like yours that ends with a statement about hating kids or not caring, I just wonder what the F is wrong with you that this is your takeaway. That you actually believe that this was the motivation or that people you are arguing with online don't love their kids or don't care about kids. WTF. You need to get a grip.

DP. This is the problem with narcissists like you. Insult those that do not get your insane way of thinking.

You are confused and are using words you clearly don't understand. It is far from narcissistic to give people some grace about their decision making during a world-wide pandemic caused by a novel virus. Even if you don't agree with what they did. Even if you agree action should be taken now to help kids.

It is incredibly weird to think that there was a hateful conspiracy against school children and tell the people who call you out on it that they are insane.

You are most likely just a trolly troll who actually hates kids and schools.

OMG, this is hilarious! I at least just arrived to from my trip hence why I am awake. Nobody thinks there was a hateful conspiracy but you keep on narcing! I mean textbook NPD! I am laughing so hard AT you. Narcs are so good at insulting and never being wrong.
You do know people think you are an abusive psychopath, right? You do, you totally know that you are an abusive parent, mom, daughter...

This is a classic dcum response, but, dude, you are totally unhinged. And can't read. The original comment was in response to the PP above who said:

We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

That type of line is all over this thread and others. It's right there.

Laugh away... That doesn't really change anything. With each post you get weirder and weirder and make less sense.

Bye Karen, some of us have lives outside of dcum and need sleep even after a long drive for Thanksgiving. Unmasked!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

How big are the schools there? It's far easier to reopen with smaller schools or schools able to social distance. We would not able to social distance or much else which was the issue. A small private with 100 kids and tons of space can far more easily do that than a public with 3000 kids.

Their schools are as big or bigger! Suburban schools in Denver are just as big as the ones around here. And schools in DCPS are tiny -- many of the elementaries have just a few hundred kids. Some of the charters even less.

I mean, do you hear yourselves? There's always an excuse as to why schools elsewhere reopened much earlier than here, but the are all BS. The DMV is not substantially different from any other large metropolitan area in terms of demographics, school size and resources, etc. In fact, much of the DMV is significantly richer than other places which should have made reopening more likely, not less.

The biggest thing the DMV lacked in terms of getting kids back in school? Will. The places that reopened schools, whether you are talking about Germany or Des Moines or Mexico City, did so because they view school as a fundamental part of a functional society, and knew kids and families would struggle mightily without it. So they found ways to do it, whether it was hybrid schedules, shortened school days, opening windows and having kids where winter coats to class, aggressive quarantine policies, etc. And then when vaccines came they were able to relax some of those restrictions but didn't have to change much else because schools were already open.

In the DMV, we adopted this attitude excuse-making and elaborate explanations for why we're different than other places. It was hubris, this unchangeable belief that we are smarter and more conscientious than all other people. We're not. We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

Do you and others like you on this thread really believe that? Are you so traumatized that you actually believe the motivation was to hurt kids? Or lack of care about kids?

I am not arguing for keeping kids out of school or that kids shouldn't have gone back earlier than they did; far from it. But every time I read a post like yours that ends with a statement about hating kids or not caring, I just wonder what the F is wrong with you that this is your takeaway. That you actually believe that this was the motivation or that people you are arguing with online don't love their kids or don't care about kids. WTF. You need to get a grip.

DP. This is the problem with narcissists like you. Insult those that do not get your insane way of thinking.

You are confused and are using words you clearly don't understand. It is far from narcissistic to give people some grace about their decision making during a world-wide pandemic caused by a novel virus. Even if you don't agree with what they did. Even if you agree action should be taken now to help kids.

It is incredibly weird to think that there was a hateful conspiracy against school children and tell the people who call you out on it that they are insane.

You are most likely just a trolly troll who actually hates kids and schools.

OMG, this is hilarious! I at least just arrived to from my trip hence why I am awake. Nobody thinks there was a hateful conspiracy but you keep on narcing! I mean textbook NPD! I am laughing so hard AT you. Narcs are so good at insulting and never being wrong.
You do know people think you are an abusive psychopath, right? You do, you totally know that you are an abusive parent, mom, daughter...

This is a classic dcum response, but, dude, you are totally unhinged. And can't read. The original comment was in response to the PP above who said:

We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

That type of line is all over this thread and others. It's right there.

Laugh away... That doesn't really change anything. With each post you get weirder and weirder and make less sense.

Bye Karen, some of us have lives outside of dcum and need sleep even after a long drive for Thanksgiving. Unmasked!

OMG. You are so lame. Try to sleep off whatever it was you've been drinking. Or smoking. Good luck.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

How big are the schools there? It's far easier to reopen with smaller schools or schools able to social distance. We would not able to social distance or much else which was the issue. A small private with 100 kids and tons of space can far more easily do that than a public with 3000 kids.

Their schools are as big or bigger! Suburban schools in Denver are just as big as the ones around here. And schools in DCPS are tiny -- many of the elementaries have just a few hundred kids. Some of the charters even less.

I mean, do you hear yourselves? There's always an excuse as to why schools elsewhere reopened much earlier than here, but the are all BS. The DMV is not substantially different from any other large metropolitan area in terms of demographics, school size and resources, etc. In fact, much of the DMV is significantly richer than other places which should have made reopening more likely, not less.

The biggest thing the DMV lacked in terms of getting kids back in school? Will. The places that reopened schools, whether you are talking about Germany or Des Moines or Mexico City, did so because they view school as a fundamental part of a functional society, and knew kids and families would struggle mightily without it. So they found ways to do it, whether it was hybrid schedules, shortened school days, opening windows and having kids where winter coats to class, aggressive quarantine policies, etc. And then when vaccines came they were able to relax some of those restrictions but didn't have to change much else because schools were already open.

In the DMV, we adopted this attitude excuse-making and elaborate explanations for why we're different than other places. It was hubris, this unchangeable belief that we are smarter and more conscientious than all other people. We're not. We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

Do you and others like you on this thread really believe that? Are you so traumatized that you actually believe the motivation was to hurt kids? Or lack of care about kids?

I am not arguing for keeping kids out of school or that kids shouldn't have gone back earlier than they did; far from it. But every time I read a post like yours that ends with a statement about hating kids or not caring, I just wonder what the F is wrong with you that this is your takeaway. That you actually believe that this was the motivation or that people you are arguing with online don't love their kids or don't care about kids. WTF. You need to get a grip.

The entire planet faced Covid. While it may have been correct to close schools in March 2020 as we dealt with the unknown, it was a terrible mistake to keep public schools closed for another year. Europe had schools open. A good percentage of the US had in person schooling. But we closed our public schools. And yet we let private schools remain open. Bars. Restaurants. Stores.

We threw public school kids under the bus. Apparently to make a stupid political point. Republicans kept schools open, ergo we must close ours. Never mind that private schools were open. People were going to bars. It was just a show. And the kids were the victims of it. I will never vote for any politician in this area who had anything to do with that.

No, it was a terrible mistake not to shut down other things as well and to be so relaxed about it. So many lives could have been saved it people just acted more responsibly and cared about others. How many kids lost their parents, their grandparents and other relatives? That is far more traumatic than virtual school.

Why do you think this would be effective health policy? It's just delaying the inevitable. The virus is not going to be eradicated this way, and all those people would still get infected. Things got better when restrictions were just dropped. China boxed itself in with its aburd zero-Covid policy and finally had to acknowledge that they just had to let the virus romp so they could move on.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

What are you talking about? There were plenty of people who questioned everything and did whatever they wanted anyway. It’s not like the police came and arrested people for expressing dissenting views. Even in early covid when people were dying, plenty of people questioned why they had to be inconvenienced to save other people’s lives and behaved accordingly. Lockdowns were never going to work in this country because we are a narcissistic and selfish society who rarely behave for the greater good of community.

Oh so you think we should have been more like China with peoples doors nailed shut?

Dissent was absolutely impossible on a social level and as we know from the social media 1A case pending at the Supreme Court, the government was extremely closely involved in getting viewpoints on covid deleted from social media. Even if that case finds there was no 1A violation, it absolutely shows that the government acted to literally delete opposing views.

I lost the plot after the summer of 2020.

Lockdown protests were killing grandma but the “protests” of summer 2020 was a public necessity.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

You are exactly right. The decision to keep schools closed in fall 2020 was the inflection point that dragged everything out.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

How big are the schools there? It's far easier to reopen with smaller schools or schools able to social distance. We would not able to social distance or much else which was the issue. A small private with 100 kids and tons of space can far more easily do that than a public with 3000 kids.

Their schools are as big or bigger! Suburban schools in Denver are just as big as the ones around here. And schools in DCPS are tiny -- many of the elementaries have just a few hundred kids. Some of the charters even less.

I mean, do you hear yourselves? There's always an excuse as to why schools elsewhere reopened much earlier than here, but the are all BS. The DMV is not substantially different from any other large metropolitan area in terms of demographics, school size and resources, etc. In fact, much of the DMV is significantly richer than other places which should have made reopening more likely, not less.

The biggest thing the DMV lacked in terms of getting kids back in school? Will. The places that reopened schools, whether you are talking about Germany or Des Moines or Mexico City, did so because they view school as a fundamental part of a functional society, and knew kids and families would struggle mightily without it. So they found ways to do it, whether it was hybrid schedules, shortened school days, opening windows and having kids where winter coats to class, aggressive quarantine policies, etc. And then when vaccines came they were able to relax some of those restrictions but didn't have to change much else because schools were already open.

In the DMV, we adopted this attitude excuse-making and elaborate explanations for why we're different than other places. It was hubris, this unchangeable belief that we are smarter and more conscientious than all other people. We're not. We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

It was so frustrating seeing schools opened in most other places and being stuck in NoVA where leadership had its head up its @ss on this. The only thing that made it slightly tolerable was realizing we used to live in MoCo, and they were somehow even worse.

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You know what was even worse? Ontario closed schools in late 2021 when capital had accumulated 100 cases per month or even per two months and when they had no or very few deaths from COVID-19. Then it shuts down again for omicron. And trying to force people to wear masks now because of..... flu!
You know what else was cray? Putting Djokovic on trial and kicking him out of the country(for political show)