FBI HQ in PG!

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Anonymous wrote:PG is perceived as much less desirable than Fairfax County (schools, taxes, housing and other dimensions). As a result, fewer Agents will volunteer for promotion to HQ, a necessary step for career advancement; they'll stay where they are in the field, reducing the pool of applicants for advancement within the agency and, arguably, eliminating talent from management and executive roles. Further, the quality of the professional support staff will suffer. There has always been a qualitative difference in clerical and other support staff in downtown D.C. agencies and those in the NoVa suburbs, which draw from different applicant pools. PG is much more like downtown in terms of who will want to work there.

In this instance, what's expected to be good for the economy in PG is not in the larger national interest.

What you described did not seem to happen w/ NASA, the Census Bureau, the National Center for Health Statistics, or the FDA's Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition.

I mean, are you sure?

PG County didn't break NASA, Census, NCHS, FDA, or Archives for that matter.

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After the administration figured out that they couldn’t move the FBI to James Clyburn’s SC district, they decided to give it to Hoyer.

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There is no reason, or business case to ever open a business or office in Maryland unless it's a Maryland location required such as convenience store, restaurant or Maryland government

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FBI HQ should be closest to Quantico, ridiculous amount of wasted money transporting people to Maryland, fraud wast and abuse

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Anonymous wrote:FBI HQ should be closest to Quantico, ridiculous amount of wasted money transporting people to Maryland, fraud wast and abuse

I don’t understand this logic. No one says that the Pentagon should be located near USNA or West Point.

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Anonymous wrote:FBI HQ should be closest to Quantico, ridiculous amount of wasted money transporting people to Maryland, fraud wast and abuse

I don’t understand this logic. No one says that the Pentagon should be located near USNA or West Point.

People at the current FBI building travel to Quantico multiple times a day. That will continue at the new location, wherever it is. Proximity is important.

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Anonymous wrote:FBI HQ should be closest to Quantico, ridiculous amount of wasted money transporting people to Maryland, fraud wast and abuse

I don’t understand this logic. No one says that the Pentagon should be located near USNA or West Point.

People at the current FBI building travel to Quantico multiple times a day. That will continue at the new location, wherever it is. Proximity is important.

for what? if is not training related, then whatever is going on at quantico that requires travel can be done at the new, larger and expanded hq.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the best deal for taxpayers.

Twenty five million dollars? You feel that strongly about what amounts to a rounding error?

I'm pretty sure that if you asked taxpayers the question: "Do you think the government should choose a building option that would save taxpayers $40mil?", most people, especially conservatives would say yes.

Telling taxpayers that the government made a decision based on what a government employee, and one that was appointed at that, wanted rather than what was the best use of taxpayer money would not go over well.

I'm fairly certain that in a different scenario, if they had chosen MD over VA and the cost of building in MD was going to be more than double, lots of VA people would be up in arms over it.

If the process had worked out to select MD, then everyone, including Wray and the FBI, would be satisfied. Since the process appears rigged, they're not satisfied.

When people don't like the outcome, they complain about the process.

Senator Cardin from Maryland said it best: "We knew we were going to win. It was a fair process." Seriously, who writes his talking points? He essentially admitted that the process was rigged.

I would take that to mean he knew he had the best site.

Honestly these accusations of the process being “rigged” just sound like whining, and reversing the decision will look very, very bad. It would basically be saying “we’re just going to reverse this qualified black lady’s decision even though she clearly had the final say and laid everything out.” That’s not a good look. There’s no accusation of quid pro quo or anything that makes sense, and the GSA decision pretty clearly explains why it chose the site it chose. Reasonable people can obviously disagree on which site was best but there’s no “slam dunk” here proving that Springfield was better.

1 person making a decision of this magnitude is not good. Albert had a simplistic rating system from best to worst-blue, green, yellow. And some very subjective language in the written reports. Figure skating is more complex than FBI headquarters? Sorry to say but it's true. https://www.usfigureskating.org/about/scoring-system

You don’t know anything about government operations if you think one person ever gets to unilaterally make these types of decisions. The final memo itself was signed by Albert and the GSA General Counsel. They knew this was a controversial decision and I’m sure many, many people voiced their approval before this was signed by those two figureheads.

Further, the “three person panel” y’all are crying about ALSO used a blue-green-yellow rating system. But again, this isn’t about the “process,” it’s about an outcome you don’t like.

Sorry but as I posted figure skating scoring is more complex than this slop. The blue green yellow was astoundling simplistic. I could see back up stuff in Greenbelt but nothing of mission critical or operational. Greenbelt would also be a great site for the GSA furniture etc warehouses. As I posted the FBI will still have about 1000 in DC. The fact is there are wetlands in Greenbelt and buildable land is 1.5 less acres. It's the FBI not some anchor tenant for a mixed use development or mall.

I haven’t read anything about the build able land. It seems unlikely that the land directly adjacent to a metro stop would be unbuildable wetland.

You need to slog through the foia documents. August 2023 report added on 11/9/23 for the public. https://www.gsa.gov/system/files/FBI%20Site%20Panel%20Recommendation%20Report%20-%20Aug%202023%20-%20Final%20v2_Redacted.pdf

Criteria 3 is the actual site, buildable acreage, and impacts of site layoit constraints etc. Bottom line is Springfield as built will have 100% more developement area. Starts on page 16 of 32 .
" development constraints with a potential site layout
of a much smaller 4.59 acres as compared to a similar site layout/development
area on the Springfield site of 9.28 acres. ...
Springfield site offers 100% larger buildable area when compared to Greenbelt"

p 17 has info on the Springfield tenant which is the GSA warehouse stuff "Information
from the Contracting Officer and the technical advisors advised the panel that the
classified tenant on the site was in the process of constructing its replacement
facility with separate funding and would completely vacate the Springfield facility
no later than March 2026, thus not impacting the proposed schedule"

So the GSA is moving that stuff where?

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Anonymous wrote:FBI HQ should be closest to Quantico, ridiculous amount of wasted money transporting people to Maryland, fraud wast and abuse

I don’t understand this logic. No one says that the Pentagon should be located near USNA or West Point.

People at the current FBI building travel to Quantico multiple times a day. That will continue at the new location, wherever it is. Proximity is important.

USNA and West Point are colleges. Quantico is active duty FBI. Mission critical operations and operators.

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Anonymous wrote:FBI HQ should be closest to Quantico, ridiculous amount of wasted money transporting people to Maryland, fraud wast and abuse

I don’t understand this logic. No one says that the Pentagon should be located near USNA or West Point.

But the government did locate the Mark Center near the Pentagon instead of moving those jobs to Maryland or exurban Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:FBI HQ should be closest to Quantico, ridiculous amount of wasted money transporting people to Maryland, fraud wast and abuse

I don’t understand this logic. No one says that the Pentagon should be located near USNA or West Point.

People at the current FBI building travel to Quantico multiple times a day. That will continue at the new location, wherever it is. Proximity is important.

USNA and West Point are colleges. Quantico is active duty FBI. Mission critical operations and operators.

Isn’t Quantico for training? Why would regular FBI agents need to go down there regularly? Real question.

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I want them to put it in Springfield and have the NoVa people deal with traffic. Probably best to put it there to keep an eye on all the MAGAs in VA as well.

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Anonymous wrote:FBI HQ should be closest to Quantico, ridiculous amount of wasted money transporting people to Maryland, fraud wast and abuse

I don’t understand this logic. No one says that the Pentagon should be located near USNA or West Point.

People at the current FBI building travel to Quantico multiple times a day. That will continue at the new location, wherever it is. Proximity is important.

for what? if is not training related, then whatever is going on at quantico that requires travel can be done at the new, larger and expanded hq.

Right? All this impotent rage just belies the idiotic boomer mentality that work can't possibly be conducted unless it's face to face.

It's 2023, any meeting worth having can be conducted over Zoom. Any file worth reviewing can be scanned and sent as a PDF. Any exceptions to this is a perfect way to identify opportunities to modernize workflows. Need to go to Quantico for X? Digitize it and save money and time.

Every "we need to be in person" boomer lament is a confession that they don't understand technology. Want to save the government money? Fire every Luddite who doesn't understand this concept and replace them with a millennial or gen z who does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FBI HQ should be closest to Quantico, ridiculous amount of wasted money transporting people to Maryland, fraud wast and abuse

I don’t understand this logic. No one says that the Pentagon should be located near USNA or West Point.

People at the current FBI building travel to Quantico multiple times a day. That will continue at the new location, wherever it is. Proximity is important.

for what? if is not training related, then whatever is going on at quantico that requires travel can be done at the new, larger and expanded hq.

Right? All this impotent rage just belies the idiotic boomer mentality that work can't possibly be conducted unless it's face to face.

It's 2023, any meeting worth having can be conducted over Zoom. Any file worth reviewing can be scanned and sent as a PDF. Any exceptions to this is a perfect way to identify opportunities to modernize workflows. Need to go to Quantico for X? Digitize it and save money and time.

Every "we need to be in person" boomer lament is a confession that they don't understand technology. Want to save the government money? Fire every Luddite who doesn't understand this concept and replace them with a millennial or gen z who does.

Some people learned the wrong lesson from the pandemic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FBI HQ should be closest to Quantico, ridiculous amount of wasted money transporting people to Maryland, fraud wast and abuse

I don’t understand this logic. No one says that the Pentagon should be located near USNA or West Point.

People at the current FBI building travel to Quantico multiple times a day. That will continue at the new location, wherever it is. Proximity is important.

USNA and West Point are colleges. Quantico is active duty FBI. Mission critical operations and operators.

So why couldn’t the FBI move these mission critical operations to their new, modern and expanded HQ so that agents don’t need to lose time driving back and forth, regardless whether it’s to and from Springfield or Greenbelt.