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Anonymous wrote:I don't think the list is malicious. But I do think that it makes kids feel bad if they didn't get in and are watching many of their friends get in. It's kind of overwhelming. My kid wasn't even waitlisted and they are a straight A 99%ile TPMS magnet kid. They are not sad/lacking confidence, but they are definitely in their feelings about it (mostly anger and frustration).

So did kids with lower scores that your child get in? Is that the cause of anger/frustration?

i have a kid who is definitely having higher scores in 280 upper range, A grades with mostly 100%, extracurriculars in school, and was wait pooled for 2 and not selected for 2 more. The sad part is DC was not even selected for one. MY kid definitely knows kids in their school very well below like 23 below in the score and got selected. It does make the kid feel bad, how come they were not selected even for one, when kids with lower score got in

Is your child at a magnet? I do believe that magnet kids with high MAPs have it harder since they compete amongst themselves (despite the notion that the admission is school-blind). If anything, committee members can tell a student is at a magnet by looking at their transcript and the classes they are taking..

DC was not in a magnet school, but had some magnet classes in the regular school.

That’s not possible.

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Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

But this is true of white kids as well, right?

High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped at home

Good Essays = Proof-read and edited by a highly educated native English speaking parent

All around performance = Parents with time and energy to drive to travel soccer, volunteer opportunities, etc.

Hush. Get with the program. All Magnet acceptance posts on DCUM are for Asian bashing. You should not be saying "But others could have this advantage too"

LOL. I'm the PP and I'm writing as a white parent whose child was admitted to their preferred program(s). I fully acknowledge the ways in which my child's privilege is part of the equation here. In my case, it's not income (we're genuinely middle class, not just DCUM middle class), and it's not paid test prep, but it's pretty clear that my child's extracurriculars were a big part of their successful package. Those extracurriculars are extremely time consuming, and require one parent to either have a flexible work schedule or to be a SAHP.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that privilege is in the mix here. I can't undo the years that I spend driving my kid to their activity, and they have worked incredibly hard to get to the level that they have. It demonstrates something about them, for sure. But it would not have been possible without some specific circumstances at home.

Correct. And the choices you made (or had the ability to make) and priorities you had for your kid coupled with their interests. That is why I get particularly peeved when DCUM always characterizes Asians as not-intelligent robots coming through the Dr Li factory.

signed - An immigrant whose kid did not go to prep classes and got admitted to 7 Magnet programs.

DP I agree that characterization is unfair and racist. But I also think it appears in reaction to claims that Asian students are discriminated against by the selection committees, when there is absolutely no evidence to support this and overwhelming evidence that they are in fact over represented.

PP- My problem is there should be no concept of representation or over representation for these admissions. May the best kids get selected, whatever the criteria is. There should not be a "Your race is 13% of the population, so the 14th student who gets admitted in a 100 seat program means you are over-represented"

Look, I absolutely understand your frustration. And this is for anyone thinking kids like mine shouldn't have been chosen:
My kid is one of those "surprises" for Blair and I'm going to tell you how we approached application and perhaps it might help you see it in a different view. Why the committee chose them.
My kid knew they did not have the top map scores. They love math but science is their passion and that includes computer science too.
I don't want to identify myself or my child but because of my job, I approached the application as a job application. If a candidate doesn't have the top education or experience I listed on the job post, what do I want to see on the resume that could make me think yes, this is the IT guy I want.
So, in the award section, they listed awards or achievements strictly outside of school that showed discipline and hard work.
In the hobbies, they put one instrument (not a common one) one sports that takes discipline. One artistic hobby, two leasure ones and 2 that shows an interest in math science and computer science at home.
In the volunteer section, two that have nothing to do with SSL hours.
Their essay was written in their own voice, not very polished and rather short. They demonstrated a lifelong passion for science and computer science and strong work ethic as well as loving to collaborate with peers that they can learn from. Basically selling their soft skills as a way to offset a lower map score than others.
They were accepted into all of their choices so it means that different committees found their application compelling.
Remember that the map scores are only ONE criteria, the first one mentioned is a strong demonstrated interest in math science and computer science. They did not focus on math on the application but on all 3 subjects.
Again, I'm sorry. It feels unfair when the kid obviously worked very hard but that doesn't mean my kid deserves it less. My kid wants to be a scientist and they are doing stellar in science. Cogat was 99 percentile in 5th grade. They're a good fit for the magnet. Again I'm sorry.

What was the MAP score?

It was below 300!

Oh come on..0-300?

Not giving the exact number because there is a list the kids made that some parents have seen and I don't want to identify my child online.

I'm sorry but I have seen a number of comments here that TPMS magnet kids are making shareable lists of scores and admits and that is....toxic. Feeling compelled to collect and share that information is just not cool. That's a really bad behavior and cultural practice to feed (I mean culture of the way of thinking...not ethnicity). At a certain point it's not pride anymore: it's exclusivity and intellectual narcissism and it's not even a good luck for super gifted kids.

My kid is in the magnet and doesn't participate in this. They have a regular 98/99 MAP, but feel inferior to the kids who boast about 320s.

Do you not see all the parents here bragging? The toxic culture of the race to nowhere is alive and well at MCPS magnet programs. Of course the students feed into it all and many go on to have a lot mental health issues down the line. My oldest was in RMIB and was miserable. The students turn their noses up to non IB students. They popped adderall to focus all night study sessions to stay ahead. They ridiculed and dropped anyone that left the IB for a more balanced life. “They couldn’t do it” I definitely believe they are making lists and there is probably a mom who helped start it talking to another mom on the phone. Then let the kids take over. There are some genuinely nice kids, but the majority think and act like they are better than everyone else.

Unfortunately, I agree. And it begins with some of the parents. Essentially having just one metric here - MAP M has made it way worse for the kids too. They are focused less on the joy of learning and more on one test where you have to study ahead for success.

So your answer here is to demonize hard work and ability?

It’s not one metric. It’s very clear that the essay is very important too, arguably more so if you don’t have 300 plus map scores

I'm not privy to this list or even aware that it actually exists, but I do have one of those rare kids with over 300 at TPMS. I asked DC if they'd heard of this, they said then even they checked two groups and couldn't find anything... I guess that doesn't prove anything but I honestly have to wonder if this is just some another DCUM fabrication.

My kid didn’t know about it either. But she also said she “wouldn’t be friends with kids who did that kind of thing,” so maybe it’s one particular friend group?

Such goodness

There are at least 60 kids on the chat. Which is typical teenage chatter, congratulations, commiserations, anxieties, discussion of courses/electives/options and support. I asked my kid to show me because I was concerned but they all seem to be lovely, normal kids. (Caveat, I skimmed a little there are hundreds of messages). I expect your daughter would be happy to participate except that you made it out to be something it isn’t.

My TPMS magnet 8th grader has heard of this group chat but has never been invited to participate. If the kids are so lovely, normal, and supportive, why not open it up to the entire class rather than make some kids feel like they’re not wanted?

Wait, so now it's some kind of a secret society?? God, what's going on there at TPMS!

A lot of kids,schools and groups have this especially on discord.

It’s a word of mouth discord chat with almost all of the kids in it. It’s not exclusive. Your kid can certainly be added. It’s really unfair to characterize these great kids chatting as something underhand.

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Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

But this is true of white kids as well, right?

High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped at home

Good Essays = Proof-read and edited by a highly educated native English speaking parent

All around performance = Parents with time and energy to drive to travel soccer, volunteer opportunities, etc.

Hush. Get with the program. All Magnet acceptance posts on DCUM are for Asian bashing. You should not be saying "But others could have this advantage too"

LOL. I'm the PP and I'm writing as a white parent whose child was admitted to their preferred program(s). I fully acknowledge the ways in which my child's privilege is part of the equation here. In my case, it's not income (we're genuinely middle class, not just DCUM middle class), and it's not paid test prep, but it's pretty clear that my child's extracurriculars were a big part of their successful package. Those extracurriculars are extremely time consuming, and require one parent to either have a flexible work schedule or to be a SAHP.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that privilege is in the mix here. I can't undo the years that I spend driving my kid to their activity, and they have worked incredibly hard to get to the level that they have. It demonstrates something about them, for sure. But it would not have been possible without some specific circumstances at home.

Correct. And the choices you made (or had the ability to make) and priorities you had for your kid coupled with their interests. That is why I get particularly peeved when DCUM always characterizes Asians as not-intelligent robots coming through the Dr Li factory.

signed - An immigrant whose kid did not go to prep classes and got admitted to 7 Magnet programs.

DP I agree that characterization is unfair and racist. But I also think it appears in reaction to claims that Asian students are discriminated against by the selection committees, when there is absolutely no evidence to support this and overwhelming evidence that they are in fact over represented.

PP- My problem is there should be no concept of representation or over representation for these admissions. May the best kids get selected, whatever the criteria is. There should not be a "Your race is 13% of the population, so the 14th student who gets admitted in a 100 seat program means you are over-represented"

Look, I absolutely understand your frustration. And this is for anyone thinking kids like mine shouldn't have been chosen:
My kid is one of those "surprises" for Blair and I'm going to tell you how we approached application and perhaps it might help you see it in a different view. Why the committee chose them.
My kid knew they did not have the top map scores. They love math but science is their passion and that includes computer science too.
I don't want to identify myself or my child but because of my job, I approached the application as a job application. If a candidate doesn't have the top education or experience I listed on the job post, what do I want to see on the resume that could make me think yes, this is the IT guy I want.
So, in the award section, they listed awards or achievements strictly outside of school that showed discipline and hard work.
In the hobbies, they put one instrument (not a common one) one sports that takes discipline. One artistic hobby, two leasure ones and 2 that shows an interest in math science and computer science at home.
In the volunteer section, two that have nothing to do with SSL hours.
Their essay was written in their own voice, not very polished and rather short. They demonstrated a lifelong passion for science and computer science and strong work ethic as well as loving to collaborate with peers that they can learn from. Basically selling their soft skills as a way to offset a lower map score than others.
They were accepted into all of their choices so it means that different committees found their application compelling.
Remember that the map scores are only ONE criteria, the first one mentioned is a strong demonstrated interest in math science and computer science. They did not focus on math on the application but on all 3 subjects.
Again, I'm sorry. It feels unfair when the kid obviously worked very hard but that doesn't mean my kid deserves it less. My kid wants to be a scientist and they are doing stellar in science. Cogat was 99 percentile in 5th grade. They're a good fit for the magnet. Again I'm sorry.

What was the MAP score?

It was below 300!

Oh come on..0-300?

Not giving the exact number because there is a list the kids made that some parents have seen and I don't want to identify my child online.

I'm sorry but I have seen a number of comments here that TPMS magnet kids are making shareable lists of scores and admits and that is....toxic. Feeling compelled to collect and share that information is just not cool. That's a really bad behavior and cultural practice to feed (I mean culture of the way of thinking...not ethnicity). At a certain point it's not pride anymore: it's exclusivity and intellectual narcissism and it's not even a good luck for super gifted kids.

My kid is in the magnet and doesn't participate in this. They have a regular 98/99 MAP, but feel inferior to the kids who boast about 320s.

Do you not see all the parents here bragging? The toxic culture of the race to nowhere is alive and well at MCPS magnet programs. Of course the students feed into it all and many go on to have a lot mental health issues down the line. My oldest was in RMIB and was miserable. The students turn their noses up to non IB students. They popped adderall to focus all night study sessions to stay ahead. They ridiculed and dropped anyone that left the IB for a more balanced life. “They couldn’t do it” I definitely believe they are making lists and there is probably a mom who helped start it talking to another mom on the phone. Then let the kids take over. There are some genuinely nice kids, but the majority think and act like they are better than everyone else.

Unfortunately, I agree. And it begins with some of the parents. Essentially having just one metric here - MAP M has made it way worse for the kids too. They are focused less on the joy of learning and more on one test where you have to study ahead for success.

So your answer here is to demonize hard work and ability?

It’s not one metric. It’s very clear that the essay is very important too, arguably more so if you don’t have 300 plus map scores

I'm not privy to this list or even aware that it actually exists, but I do have one of those rare kids with over 300 at TPMS. I asked DC if they'd heard of this, they said then even they checked two groups and couldn't find anything... I guess that doesn't prove anything but I honestly have to wonder if this is just some another DCUM fabrication.

My kid didn’t know about it either. But she also said she “wouldn’t be friends with kids who did that kind of thing,” so maybe it’s one particular friend group?

Such goodness

There are at least 60 kids on the chat. Which is typical teenage chatter, congratulations, commiserations, anxieties, discussion of courses/electives/options and support. I asked my kid to show me because I was concerned but they all seem to be lovely, normal kids. (Caveat, I skimmed a little there are hundreds of messages). I expect your daughter would be happy to participate except that you made it out to be something it isn’t.

My TPMS magnet 8th grader has heard of this group chat but has never been invited to participate. If the kids are so lovely, normal, and supportive, why not open it up to the entire class rather than make some kids feel like they’re not wanted?

Wait, so now it's some kind of a secret society?? God, what's going on there at TPMS!

A lot of kids,schools and groups have this especially on discord.

It’s a word of mouth discord chat with almost all of the kids in it. It’s not exclusive. Your kid can certainly be added. It’s really unfair to characterize these great kids chatting as something underhand.

It is a blessing not being part of the group, having seen one of the TPMS one

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think the list is malicious. But I do think that it makes kids feel bad if they didn't get in and are watching many of their friends get in. It's kind of overwhelming. My kid wasn't even waitlisted and they are a straight A 99%ile TPMS magnet kid. They are not sad/lacking confidence, but they are definitely in their feelings about it (mostly anger and frustration).

So did kids with lower scores that your child get in? Is that the cause of anger/frustration?

i have a kid who is definitely having higher scores in 280 upper range, A grades with mostly 100%, extracurriculars in school, and was wait pooled for 2 and not selected for 2 more. The sad part is DC was not even selected for one. MY kid definitely knows kids in their school very well below like 23 below in the score and got selected. It does make the kid feel bad, how come they were not selected even for one, when kids with lower score got in

Is your child at a magnet? I do believe that magnet kids with high MAPs have it harder since they compete amongst themselves (despite the notion that the admission is school-blind). If anything, committee members can tell a student is at a magnet by looking at their transcript and the classes they are taking..

DC was not in a magnet school, but had some magnet classes in the regular school.

That’s not possible.

when i say magnet class, like humanities, they say GT in report card

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Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

But this is true of white kids as well, right?

High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped at home

Good Essays = Proof-read and edited by a highly educated native English speaking parent

All around performance = Parents with time and energy to drive to travel soccer, volunteer opportunities, etc.

Hush. Get with the program. All Magnet acceptance posts on DCUM are for Asian bashing. You should not be saying "But others could have this advantage too"

LOL. I'm the PP and I'm writing as a white parent whose child was admitted to their preferred program(s). I fully acknowledge the ways in which my child's privilege is part of the equation here. In my case, it's not income (we're genuinely middle class, not just DCUM middle class), and it's not paid test prep, but it's pretty clear that my child's extracurriculars were a big part of their successful package. Those extracurriculars are extremely time consuming, and require one parent to either have a flexible work schedule or to be a SAHP.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that privilege is in the mix here. I can't undo the years that I spend driving my kid to their activity, and they have worked incredibly hard to get to the level that they have. It demonstrates something about them, for sure. But it would not have been possible without some specific circumstances at home.

Correct. And the choices you made (or had the ability to make) and priorities you had for your kid coupled with their interests. That is why I get particularly peeved when DCUM always characterizes Asians as not-intelligent robots coming through the Dr Li factory.

signed - An immigrant whose kid did not go to prep classes and got admitted to 7 Magnet programs.

DP I agree that characterization is unfair and racist. But I also think it appears in reaction to claims that Asian students are discriminated against by the selection committees, when there is absolutely no evidence to support this and overwhelming evidence that they are in fact over represented.

PP- My problem is there should be no concept of representation or over representation for these admissions. May the best kids get selected, whatever the criteria is. There should not be a "Your race is 13% of the population, so the 14th student who gets admitted in a 100 seat program means you are over-represented"

Look, I absolutely understand your frustration. And this is for anyone thinking kids like mine shouldn't have been chosen:
My kid is one of those "surprises" for Blair and I'm going to tell you how we approached application and perhaps it might help you see it in a different view. Why the committee chose them.
My kid knew they did not have the top map scores. They love math but science is their passion and that includes computer science too.
I don't want to identify myself or my child but because of my job, I approached the application as a job application. If a candidate doesn't have the top education or experience I listed on the job post, what do I want to see on the resume that could make me think yes, this is the IT guy I want.
So, in the award section, they listed awards or achievements strictly outside of school that showed discipline and hard work.
In the hobbies, they put one instrument (not a common one) one sports that takes discipline. One artistic hobby, two leasure ones and 2 that shows an interest in math science and computer science at home.
In the volunteer section, two that have nothing to do with SSL hours.
Their essay was written in their own voice, not very polished and rather short. They demonstrated a lifelong passion for science and computer science and strong work ethic as well as loving to collaborate with peers that they can learn from. Basically selling their soft skills as a way to offset a lower map score than others.
They were accepted into all of their choices so it means that different committees found their application compelling.
Remember that the map scores are only ONE criteria, the first one mentioned is a strong demonstrated interest in math science and computer science. They did not focus on math on the application but on all 3 subjects.
Again, I'm sorry. It feels unfair when the kid obviously worked very hard but that doesn't mean my kid deserves it less. My kid wants to be a scientist and they are doing stellar in science. Cogat was 99 percentile in 5th grade. They're a good fit for the magnet. Again I'm sorry.

What was the MAP score?

It was below 300!

Oh come on..0-300?

Not giving the exact number because there is a list the kids made that some parents have seen and I don't want to identify my child online.

I'm sorry but I have seen a number of comments here that TPMS magnet kids are making shareable lists of scores and admits and that is....toxic. Feeling compelled to collect and share that information is just not cool. That's a really bad behavior and cultural practice to feed (I mean culture of the way of thinking...not ethnicity). At a certain point it's not pride anymore: it's exclusivity and intellectual narcissism and it's not even a good luck for super gifted kids.

My kid is in the magnet and doesn't participate in this. They have a regular 98/99 MAP, but feel inferior to the kids who boast about 320s.

Do you not see all the parents here bragging? The toxic culture of the race to nowhere is alive and well at MCPS magnet programs. Of course the students feed into it all and many go on to have a lot mental health issues down the line. My oldest was in RMIB and was miserable. The students turn their noses up to non IB students. They popped adderall to focus all night study sessions to stay ahead. They ridiculed and dropped anyone that left the IB for a more balanced life. “They couldn’t do it” I definitely believe they are making lists and there is probably a mom who helped start it talking to another mom on the phone. Then let the kids take over. There are some genuinely nice kids, but the majority think and act like they are better than everyone else.

Unfortunately, I agree. And it begins with some of the parents. Essentially having just one metric here - MAP M has made it way worse for the kids too. They are focused less on the joy of learning and more on one test where you have to study ahead for success.

So your answer here is to demonize hard work and ability?

It’s not one metric. It’s very clear that the essay is very important too, arguably more so if you don’t have 300 plus map scores

I'm not privy to this list or even aware that it actually exists, but I do have one of those rare kids with over 300 at TPMS. I asked DC if they'd heard of this, they said then even they checked two groups and couldn't find anything... I guess that doesn't prove anything but I honestly have to wonder if this is just some another DCUM fabrication.

My kid didn’t know about it either. But she also said she “wouldn’t be friends with kids who did that kind of thing,” so maybe it’s one particular friend group?

Such goodness

There are at least 60 kids on the chat. Which is typical teenage chatter, congratulations, commiserations, anxieties, discussion of courses/electives/options and support. I asked my kid to show me because I was concerned but they all seem to be lovely, normal kids. (Caveat, I skimmed a little there are hundreds of messages). I expect your daughter would be happy to participate except that you made it out to be something it isn’t.

My TPMS magnet 8th grader has heard of this group chat but has never been invited to participate. If the kids are so lovely, normal, and supportive, why not open it up to the entire class rather than make some kids feel like they’re not wanted?

Wait, so now it's some kind of a secret society?? God, what's going on there at TPMS!

A lot of kids,schools and groups have this especially on discord.

It’s a word of mouth discord chat with almost all of the kids in it. It’s not exclusive. Your kid can certainly be added. It’s really unfair to characterize these great kids chatting as something underhand.

It is a blessing not being part of the group, having seen one of the TPMS one

You haven’t seen it and don’t have any connection to TPMS.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think the list is malicious. But I do think that it makes kids feel bad if they didn't get in and are watching many of their friends get in. It's kind of overwhelming. My kid wasn't even waitlisted and they are a straight A 99%ile TPMS magnet kid. They are not sad/lacking confidence, but they are definitely in their feelings about it (mostly anger and frustration).

So did kids with lower scores that your child get in? Is that the cause of anger/frustration?

i have a kid who is definitely having higher scores in 280 upper range, A grades with mostly 100%, extracurriculars in school, and was wait pooled for 2 and not selected for 2 more. The sad part is DC was not even selected for one. MY kid definitely knows kids in their school very well below like 23 below in the score and got selected. It does make the kid feel bad, how come they were not selected even for one, when kids with lower score got in

I'm sorry for your DC and sorry for the parents on this thread completely lacking in empathy. That's a high score. I know a couple kids who got in with lower scores.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think the list is malicious. But I do think that it makes kids feel bad if they didn't get in and are watching many of their friends get in. It's kind of overwhelming. My kid wasn't even waitlisted and they are a straight A 99%ile TPMS magnet kid. They are not sad/lacking confidence, but they are definitely in their feelings about it (mostly anger and frustration).

So did kids with lower scores that your child get in? Is that the cause of anger/frustration?

I don't know and they didn't say that. I think they are just frustrated that they are part of a "group" now that they now know they won't be part of anymore and that is kind of confusing to kids who feel like they are hanging just fine with their peers academically. My kid got into three other magnets so it's not a confidence issue or an "am I good enough" issue, and they will likely remain in the same school as their friends, but they are just kind of bummed about breaking up the band, you know? It's not the end of the world. Builds resilience.

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Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

But this is true of white kids as well, right?

High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped at home

Good Essays = Proof-read and edited by a highly educated native English speaking parent

All around performance = Parents with time and energy to drive to travel soccer, volunteer opportunities, etc.

Hush. Get with the program. All Magnet acceptance posts on DCUM are for Asian bashing. You should not be saying "But others could have this advantage too"

LOL. I'm the PP and I'm writing as a white parent whose child was admitted to their preferred program(s). I fully acknowledge the ways in which my child's privilege is part of the equation here. In my case, it's not income (we're genuinely middle class, not just DCUM middle class), and it's not paid test prep, but it's pretty clear that my child's extracurriculars were a big part of their successful package. Those extracurriculars are extremely time consuming, and require one parent to either have a flexible work schedule or to be a SAHP.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that privilege is in the mix here. I can't undo the years that I spend driving my kid to their activity, and they have worked incredibly hard to get to the level that they have. It demonstrates something about them, for sure. But it would not have been possible without some specific circumstances at home.

Correct. And the choices you made (or had the ability to make) and priorities you had for your kid coupled with their interests. That is why I get particularly peeved when DCUM always characterizes Asians as not-intelligent robots coming through the Dr Li factory.

signed - An immigrant whose kid did not go to prep classes and got admitted to 7 Magnet programs.

DP I agree that characterization is unfair and racist. But I also think it appears in reaction to claims that Asian students are discriminated against by the selection committees, when there is absolutely no evidence to support this and overwhelming evidence that they are in fact over represented.

PP- My problem is there should be no concept of representation or over representation for these admissions. May the best kids get selected, whatever the criteria is. There should not be a "Your race is 13% of the population, so the 14th student who gets admitted in a 100 seat program means you are over-represented"

Look, I absolutely understand your frustration. And this is for anyone thinking kids like mine shouldn't have been chosen:
My kid is one of those "surprises" for Blair and I'm going to tell you how we approached application and perhaps it might help you see it in a different view. Why the committee chose them.
My kid knew they did not have the top map scores. They love math but science is their passion and that includes computer science too.
I don't want to identify myself or my child but because of my job, I approached the application as a job application. If a candidate doesn't have the top education or experience I listed on the job post, what do I want to see on the resume that could make me think yes, this is the IT guy I want.
So, in the award section, they listed awards or achievements strictly outside of school that showed discipline and hard work.
In the hobbies, they put one instrument (not a common one) one sports that takes discipline. One artistic hobby, two leasure ones and 2 that shows an interest in math science and computer science at home.
In the volunteer section, two that have nothing to do with SSL hours.
Their essay was written in their own voice, not very polished and rather short. They demonstrated a lifelong passion for science and computer science and strong work ethic as well as loving to collaborate with peers that they can learn from. Basically selling their soft skills as a way to offset a lower map score than others.
They were accepted into all of their choices so it means that different committees found their application compelling.
Remember that the map scores are only ONE criteria, the first one mentioned is a strong demonstrated interest in math science and computer science. They did not focus on math on the application but on all 3 subjects.
Again, I'm sorry. It feels unfair when the kid obviously worked very hard but that doesn't mean my kid deserves it less. My kid wants to be a scientist and they are doing stellar in science. Cogat was 99 percentile in 5th grade. They're a good fit for the magnet. Again I'm sorry.

What was the MAP score?

It was below 300!

Oh come on..0-300?

Not giving the exact number because there is a list the kids made that some parents have seen and I don't want to identify my child online.

I'm sorry but I have seen a number of comments here that TPMS magnet kids are making shareable lists of scores and admits and that is....toxic. Feeling compelled to collect and share that information is just not cool. That's a really bad behavior and cultural practice to feed (I mean culture of the way of thinking...not ethnicity). At a certain point it's not pride anymore: it's exclusivity and intellectual narcissism and it's not even a good luck for super gifted kids.

My kid is in the magnet and doesn't participate in this. They have a regular 98/99 MAP, but feel inferior to the kids who boast about 320s.

Do you not see all the parents here bragging? The toxic culture of the race to nowhere is alive and well at MCPS magnet programs. Of course the students feed into it all and many go on to have a lot mental health issues down the line. My oldest was in RMIB and was miserable. The students turn their noses up to non IB students. They popped adderall to focus all night study sessions to stay ahead. They ridiculed and dropped anyone that left the IB for a more balanced life. “They couldn’t do it” I definitely believe they are making lists and there is probably a mom who helped start it talking to another mom on the phone. Then let the kids take over. There are some genuinely nice kids, but the majority think and act like they are better than everyone else.

Unfortunately, I agree. And it begins with some of the parents. Essentially having just one metric here - MAP M has made it way worse for the kids too. They are focused less on the joy of learning and more on one test where you have to study ahead for success.

So your answer here is to demonize hard work and ability?

It’s not one metric. It’s very clear that the essay is very important too, arguably more so if you don’t have 300 plus map scores

I'm not privy to this list or even aware that it actually exists, but I do have one of those rare kids with over 300 at TPMS. I asked DC if they'd heard of this, they said then even they checked two groups and couldn't find anything... I guess that doesn't prove anything but I honestly have to wonder if this is just some another DCUM fabrication.

My kid didn’t know about it either. But she also said she “wouldn’t be friends with kids who did that kind of thing,” so maybe it’s one particular friend group?

Such goodness

There are at least 60 kids on the chat. Which is typical teenage chatter, congratulations, commiserations, anxieties, discussion of courses/electives/options and support. I asked my kid to show me because I was concerned but they all seem to be lovely, normal kids. (Caveat, I skimmed a little there are hundreds of messages). I expect your daughter would be happy to participate except that you made it out to be something it isn’t.

My TPMS magnet 8th grader has heard of this group chat but has never been invited to participate. If the kids are so lovely, normal, and supportive, why not open it up to the entire class rather than make some kids feel like they’re not wanted?

Wait, so now it's some kind of a secret society?? God, what's going on there at TPMS!

A lot of kids,schools and groups have this especially on discord.

It’s a word of mouth discord chat with almost all of the kids in it. It’s not exclusive. Your kid can certainly be added. It’s really unfair to characterize these great kids chatting as something underhand.

It is a blessing not being part of the group, having seen one of the TPMS one

You haven’t seen it and don’t have any connection to TPMS.

Some parents are just so blissfully ignorant, monitor your kids’ social media, even magnet kids

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Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

But this is true of white kids as well, right?

High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped at home

Good Essays = Proof-read and edited by a highly educated native English speaking parent

All around performance = Parents with time and energy to drive to travel soccer, volunteer opportunities, etc.

Hush. Get with the program. All Magnet acceptance posts on DCUM are for Asian bashing. You should not be saying "But others could have this advantage too"

LOL. I'm the PP and I'm writing as a white parent whose child was admitted to their preferred program(s). I fully acknowledge the ways in which my child's privilege is part of the equation here. In my case, it's not income (we're genuinely middle class, not just DCUM middle class), and it's not paid test prep, but it's pretty clear that my child's extracurriculars were a big part of their successful package. Those extracurriculars are extremely time consuming, and require one parent to either have a flexible work schedule or to be a SAHP.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that privilege is in the mix here. I can't undo the years that I spend driving my kid to their activity, and they have worked incredibly hard to get to the level that they have. It demonstrates something about them, for sure. But it would not have been possible without some specific circumstances at home.

Correct. And the choices you made (or had the ability to make) and priorities you had for your kid coupled with their interests. That is why I get particularly peeved when DCUM always characterizes Asians as not-intelligent robots coming through the Dr Li factory.

signed - An immigrant whose kid did not go to prep classes and got admitted to 7 Magnet programs.

DP I agree that characterization is unfair and racist. But I also think it appears in reaction to claims that Asian students are discriminated against by the selection committees, when there is absolutely no evidence to support this and overwhelming evidence that they are in fact over represented.

PP- My problem is there should be no concept of representation or over representation for these admissions. May the best kids get selected, whatever the criteria is. There should not be a "Your race is 13% of the population, so the 14th student who gets admitted in a 100 seat program means you are over-represented"

Look, I absolutely understand your frustration. And this is for anyone thinking kids like mine shouldn't have been chosen:
My kid is one of those "surprises" for Blair and I'm going to tell you how we approached application and perhaps it might help you see it in a different view. Why the committee chose them.
My kid knew they did not have the top map scores. They love math but science is their passion and that includes computer science too.
I don't want to identify myself or my child but because of my job, I approached the application as a job application. If a candidate doesn't have the top education or experience I listed on the job post, what do I want to see on the resume that could make me think yes, this is the IT guy I want.
So, in the award section, they listed awards or achievements strictly outside of school that showed discipline and hard work.
In the hobbies, they put one instrument (not a common one) one sports that takes discipline. One artistic hobby, two leasure ones and 2 that shows an interest in math science and computer science at home.
In the volunteer section, two that have nothing to do with SSL hours.
Their essay was written in their own voice, not very polished and rather short. They demonstrated a lifelong passion for science and computer science and strong work ethic as well as loving to collaborate with peers that they can learn from. Basically selling their soft skills as a way to offset a lower map score than others.
They were accepted into all of their choices so it means that different committees found their application compelling.
Remember that the map scores are only ONE criteria, the first one mentioned is a strong demonstrated interest in math science and computer science. They did not focus on math on the application but on all 3 subjects.
Again, I'm sorry. It feels unfair when the kid obviously worked very hard but that doesn't mean my kid deserves it less. My kid wants to be a scientist and they are doing stellar in science. Cogat was 99 percentile in 5th grade. They're a good fit for the magnet. Again I'm sorry.

What was the MAP score?

It was below 300!

Oh come on..0-300?

Not giving the exact number because there is a list the kids made that some parents have seen and I don't want to identify my child online.

I'm sorry but I have seen a number of comments here that TPMS magnet kids are making shareable lists of scores and admits and that is....toxic. Feeling compelled to collect and share that information is just not cool. That's a really bad behavior and cultural practice to feed (I mean culture of the way of thinking...not ethnicity). At a certain point it's not pride anymore: it's exclusivity and intellectual narcissism and it's not even a good luck for super gifted kids.

My kid is in the magnet and doesn't participate in this. They have a regular 98/99 MAP, but feel inferior to the kids who boast about 320s.

Do you not see all the parents here bragging? The toxic culture of the race to nowhere is alive and well at MCPS magnet programs. Of course the students feed into it all and many go on to have a lot mental health issues down the line. My oldest was in RMIB and was miserable. The students turn their noses up to non IB students. They popped adderall to focus all night study sessions to stay ahead. They ridiculed and dropped anyone that left the IB for a more balanced life. “They couldn’t do it” I definitely believe they are making lists and there is probably a mom who helped start it talking to another mom on the phone. Then let the kids take over. There are some genuinely nice kids, but the majority think and act like they are better than everyone else.

Unfortunately, I agree. And it begins with some of the parents. Essentially having just one metric here - MAP M has made it way worse for the kids too. They are focused less on the joy of learning and more on one test where you have to study ahead for success.

So your answer here is to demonize hard work and ability?

It’s not one metric. It’s very clear that the essay is very important too, arguably more so if you don’t have 300 plus map scores

I'm not privy to this list or even aware that it actually exists, but I do have one of those rare kids with over 300 at TPMS. I asked DC if they'd heard of this, they said then even they checked two groups and couldn't find anything... I guess that doesn't prove anything but I honestly have to wonder if this is just some another DCUM fabrication.

My kid didn’t know about it either. But she also said she “wouldn’t be friends with kids who did that kind of thing,” so maybe it’s one particular friend group?

Such goodness

There are at least 60 kids on the chat. Which is typical teenage chatter, congratulations, commiserations, anxieties, discussion of courses/electives/options and support. I asked my kid to show me because I was concerned but they all seem to be lovely, normal kids. (Caveat, I skimmed a little there are hundreds of messages). I expect your daughter would be happy to participate except that you made it out to be something it isn’t.

My TPMS magnet 8th grader has heard of this group chat but has never been invited to participate. If the kids are so lovely, normal, and supportive, why not open it up to the entire class rather than make some kids feel like they’re not wanted?

Wait, so now it's some kind of a secret society?? God, what's going on there at TPMS!

A lot of kids,schools and groups have this especially on discord.

It’s a word of mouth discord chat with almost all of the kids in it. It’s not exclusive. Your kid can certainly be added. It’s really unfair to characterize these great kids chatting as something underhand.

It is a blessing not being part of the group, having seen one of the TPMS one

You haven’t seen it and don’t have any connection to TPMS.

Some parents are just so blissfully ignorant, monitor your kids’ social media, even magnet kids

I monitor my DC’s social and phone use strictly which is how I know that she is not talking about the same group.

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Regarding the list, in previous years TP sometimes publish the final decision of the kids online. For example, this one:
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/middle-schools/s-w/takomaparkms/uploadedfiles/promoprogram2021pdf.pdf

Why now it is considered a malicious behavior to collect such information on discord group among the students?

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding the list, in previous years TP sometimes publish the final decision of the kids online. For example, this one:
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/middle-schools/s-w/takomaparkms/uploadedfiles/promoprogram2021pdf.pdf

Why now it is considered a malicious behavior to collect such information on discord group among the students?

I think there’s a difference between sharing a list of the high schools the kids will attend and a list of the programs the kids were admitted to.

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding the list, in previous years TP sometimes publish the final decision of the kids online. For example, this one:
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/middle-schools/s-w/takomaparkms/uploadedfiles/promoprogram2021pdf.pdf

Why now it is considered a malicious behavior to collect such information on discord group among the students?

I think there’s a difference between sharing a list of the high schools the kids will attend and a list of the programs the kids were admitted to.

It’s not a list of where they were admitted. It’s a list of the kids who are going to Blair magnet. Kids who were admitted and are turning it down are not on it.

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding the list, in previous years TP sometimes publish the final decision of the kids online. For example, this one:
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/middle-schools/s-w/takomaparkms/uploadedfiles/promoprogram2021pdf.pdf

Why now it is considered a malicious behavior to collect such information on discord group among the students?

I think there’s a difference between sharing a list of the high schools the kids will attend and a list of the programs the kids were admitted to.

It’s not a list of where they were admitted. It’s a list of the kids who are going to Blair magnet. Kids who were admitted and are turning it down are not on it.

In that case, I wouldn’t find it particularly worrisome, especially if it does not, as a PP suggested, contain MAP scores. Neither of my kids had decided so soon after decisions came out, so I guess I expected other kids to be deciding after next week’s info sessions as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think the list is malicious. But I do think that it makes kids feel bad if they didn't get in and are watching many of their friends get in. It's kind of overwhelming. My kid wasn't even waitlisted and they are a straight A 99%ile TPMS magnet kid. They are not sad/lacking confidence, but they are definitely in their feelings about it (mostly anger and frustration).

So did kids with lower scores that your child get in? Is that the cause of anger/frustration?

I don't know and they didn't say that. I think they are just frustrated that they are part of a "group" now that they now know they won't be part of anymore and that is kind of confusing to kids who feel like they are hanging just fine with their peers academically. My kid got into three other magnets so it's not a confidence issue or an "am I good enough" issue, and they will likely remain in the same school as their friends, but they are just kind of bummed about breaking up the band, you know? It's not the end of the world. Builds resilience.

absolutely. I think that's what it is...

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Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

But this is true of white kids as well, right?

High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped at home

Good Essays = Proof-read and edited by a highly educated native English speaking parent

All around performance = Parents with time and energy to drive to travel soccer, volunteer opportunities, etc.

Hush. Get with the program. All Magnet acceptance posts on DCUM are for Asian bashing. You should not be saying "But others could have this advantage too"

LOL. I'm the PP and I'm writing as a white parent whose child was admitted to their preferred program(s). I fully acknowledge the ways in which my child's privilege is part of the equation here. In my case, it's not income (we're genuinely middle class, not just DCUM middle class), and it's not paid test prep, but it's pretty clear that my child's extracurriculars were a big part of their successful package. Those extracurriculars are extremely time consuming, and require one parent to either have a flexible work schedule or to be a SAHP.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that privilege is in the mix here. I can't undo the years that I spend driving my kid to their activity, and they have worked incredibly hard to get to the level that they have. It demonstrates something about them, for sure. But it would not have been possible without some specific circumstances at home.

Correct. And the choices you made (or had the ability to make) and priorities you had for your kid coupled with their interests. That is why I get particularly peeved when DCUM always characterizes Asians as not-intelligent robots coming through the Dr Li factory.

signed - An immigrant whose kid did not go to prep classes and got admitted to 7 Magnet programs.

DP I agree that characterization is unfair and racist. But I also think it appears in reaction to claims that Asian students are discriminated against by the selection committees, when there is absolutely no evidence to support this and overwhelming evidence that they are in fact over represented.

PP- My problem is there should be no concept of representation or over representation for these admissions. May the best kids get selected, whatever the criteria is. There should not be a "Your race is 13% of the population, so the 14th student who gets admitted in a 100 seat program means you are over-represented"

Look, I absolutely understand your frustration. And this is for anyone thinking kids like mine shouldn't have been chosen:
My kid is one of those "surprises" for Blair and I'm going to tell you how we approached application and perhaps it might help you see it in a different view. Why the committee chose them.
My kid knew they did not have the top map scores. They love math but science is their passion and that includes computer science too.
I don't want to identify myself or my child but because of my job, I approached the application as a job application. If a candidate doesn't have the top education or experience I listed on the job post, what do I want to see on the resume that could make me think yes, this is the IT guy I want.
So, in the award section, they listed awards or achievements strictly outside of school that showed discipline and hard work.
In the hobbies, they put one instrument (not a common one) one sports that takes discipline. One artistic hobby, two leasure ones and 2 that shows an interest in math science and computer science at home.
In the volunteer section, two that have nothing to do with SSL hours.
Their essay was written in their own voice, not very polished and rather short. They demonstrated a lifelong passion for science and computer science and strong work ethic as well as loving to collaborate with peers that they can learn from. Basically selling their soft skills as a way to offset a lower map score than others.
They were accepted into all of their choices so it means that different committees found their application compelling.
Remember that the map scores are only ONE criteria, the first one mentioned is a strong demonstrated interest in math science and computer science. They did not focus on math on the application but on all 3 subjects.
Again, I'm sorry. It feels unfair when the kid obviously worked very hard but that doesn't mean my kid deserves it less. My kid wants to be a scientist and they are doing stellar in science. Cogat was 99 percentile in 5th grade. They're a good fit for the magnet. Again I'm sorry.

What was the MAP score?

It was below 300!

Oh come on..0-300?

Not giving the exact number because there is a list the kids made that some parents have seen and I don't want to identify my child online.

I'm sorry but I have seen a number of comments here that TPMS magnet kids are making shareable lists of scores and admits and that is....toxic. Feeling compelled to collect and share that information is just not cool. That's a really bad behavior and cultural practice to feed (I mean culture of the way of thinking...not ethnicity). At a certain point it's not pride anymore: it's exclusivity and intellectual narcissism and it's not even a good luck for super gifted kids.

My kid is in the magnet and doesn't participate in this. They have a regular 98/99 MAP, but feel inferior to the kids who boast about 320s.

Do you not see all the parents here bragging? The toxic culture of the race to nowhere is alive and well at MCPS magnet programs. Of course the students feed into it all and many go on to have a lot mental health issues down the line. My oldest was in RMIB and was miserable. The students turn their noses up to non IB students. They popped adderall to focus all night study sessions to stay ahead. They ridiculed and dropped anyone that left the IB for a more balanced life. “They couldn’t do it” I definitely believe they are making lists and there is probably a mom who helped start it talking to another mom on the phone. Then let the kids take over. There are some genuinely nice kids, but the majority think and act like they are better than everyone else.

Unfortunately, I agree. And it begins with some of the parents. Essentially having just one metric here - MAP M has made it way worse for the kids too. They are focused less on the joy of learning and more on one test where you have to study ahead for success.

So your answer here is to demonize hard work and ability?

It’s not one metric. It’s very clear that the essay is very important too, arguably more so if you don’t have 300 plus map scores

I'm not privy to this list or even aware that it actually exists, but I do have one of those rare kids with over 300 at TPMS. I asked DC if they'd heard of this, they said then even they checked two groups and couldn't find anything... I guess that doesn't prove anything but I honestly have to wonder if this is just some another DCUM fabrication.

My kid didn’t know about it either. But she also said she “wouldn’t be friends with kids who did that kind of thing,” so maybe it’s one particular friend group?

Such goodness

There are at least 60 kids on the chat. Which is typical teenage chatter, congratulations, commiserations, anxieties, discussion of courses/electives/options and support. I asked my kid to show me because I was concerned but they all seem to be lovely, normal kids. (Caveat, I skimmed a little there are hundreds of messages). I expect your daughter would be happy to participate except that you made it out to be something it isn’t.

My TPMS magnet 8th grader has heard of this group chat but has never been invited to participate. If the kids are so lovely, normal, and supportive, why not open it up to the entire class rather than make some kids feel like they’re not wanted?

Wait, so now it's some kind of a secret society?? God, what's going on there at TPMS!

A lot of kids,schools and groups have this especially on discord.

It’s a word of mouth discord chat with almost all of the kids in it. It’s not exclusive. Your kid can certainly be added. It’s really unfair to characterize these great kids chatting as something underhand.

It is a blessing not being part of the group, having seen one of the TPMS one

I looked at the varsity math team chat by logging into my kids account. There's no mention of this stuff.