Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

[Anonymous]

They don't release quadriplegics to the care of their parents two weeks after an accident.

She is clearly reasonable medically stable if they are asking to send her home or to a cushy rehab facility a couple weeks after her injuries.

Spinal cord injuries would be sent to a specialized rehab between hospital and home

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Involuntary intoxication will never fly as a defense. Prosecution will put the husband on the stand and ask if she was acting strange or intoxicated or out of it when he left her alone with THREE young children including an infant. I think we all know what his answer has to be.

“It’s over medication, absolutely over medications — possibly with a component of post-partum depression,” Reddington told the Globe.

“She had medical care and treatment on a regular basis. And her husband was very proactive in trying to protect her and help her with the doctors’ medication she was prescribed, said the lawyer, who has hired a forensic mental health expert and toxicologist to help build the defense case.

I'm surprised her lawyer is saying this. First, he is downplaying any PPD factor and does not even mention PPP. He is blaming it all on "over-medication" yet states that she was receiving medical care and treatment on a regular basis and that her husband had no reason to believe he should not leave her alone. These don't seem like wise statements from defense counsel at this stage.

They might already be on their second lawyer based on this quote from Boston.com: “Reddington told the newspaper his client has not been allowed to speak with anyone on the phone or to have visitors beyond medical staff, social workers, and the attorney who previously represented her.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

And who should pay for that? Her (now) millionaire husband? Or the tax payers of Massachusetts?

As a resident of Mass, I wonder that too. Does insurance cover an incarcerated person if they are in a private facility? Spaulding is part of the Mass General - Brigham network of facilities, so super expensive.

Would a private facility take someone accused of murdering 3 people? I tend to think they are not equipped to handle that. Obviously she should not be released to her parents with an ankle monitors. WTF

Do you know what Brian Walshe did with an ankle monitor? Murdered his wife, dismembered her body and hid it so well they will probably never find it.

And I agree that she’s not paralyzed at all if they want her released to her parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

And who should pay for that? Her (now) millionaire husband? Or the tax payers of Massachusetts?

As a resident of Mass, I wonder that too. Does insurance cover an incarcerated person if they are in a private facility? Spaulding is part of the Mass General - Brigham network of facilities, so super expensive.

Would a private facility take someone accused of murdering 3 people? I tend to think they are not equipped to handle that. Obviously she should not be released to her parents with an ankle monitors. WTF

No, she will probably end up home with home care, or she may end up staying in hospital until they are ever able to place her somewhere. That money will all go the hospital.

[Anonymous]

OP I think we know more about post partum pyschosis, plus a greater willingness to believe women. Andrea yates also came across as weird religious cult under her husbands control, which made folks less sympathetic I think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They don't release quadriplegics to the care of their parents two weeks after an accident.

She is clearly reasonable medically stable if they are asking to send her home or to a cushy rehab facility a couple weeks after her injuries.

Spinal cord injuries would be sent to a specialized rehab between hospital and home

Even a para needs acute rehab, insurance and the GFM money could help with this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

And who should pay for that? Her (now) millionaire husband? Or the tax payers of Massachusetts?

As a resident of Mass, I wonder that too. Does insurance cover an incarcerated person if they are in a private facility? Spaulding is part of the Mass General - Brigham network of facilities, so super expensive.

Would a private facility take someone accused of murdering 3 people? I tend to think they are not equipped to handle that. Obviously she should not be released to her parents with an ankle monitors. WTF

No, she will probably end up home with home care, or she may end up staying in hospital until they are ever able to place her somewhere. That money will all go the hospital.

A murderer is not going home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

Well I doubt she had PPP. She still needs to be held accountable regardless, and as an RN I would have thought she’d be more aware of potential med interactions/contraindications, MDs aren’t always correct, she was fairly young and inexperienced though and probably all of her friends are taking some sort of psych med. Everyone seems to be nowadays. Also many school shooters were found to be on SSRIs just remember that.

You ... you know what a "confounding factor" is and what the most logical explanation for this correlation is, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

Well I doubt she had PPP. She still needs to be held accountable regardless, and as an RN I would have thought she’d be more aware of potential med interactions/contraindications, MDs aren’t always correct, she was fairly young and inexperienced though and probably all of her friends are taking some sort of psych med. Everyone seems to be nowadays. Also many school shooters were found to be on SSRIs just remember that.

You ... you know what a "confounding factor" is and what the most logical explanation for this correlation is, right?

Please enlighten me

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

And who should pay for that? Her (now) millionaire husband? Or the tax payers of Massachusetts?

As a resident of Mass, I wonder that too. Does insurance cover an incarcerated person if they are in a private facility? Spaulding is part of the Mass General - Brigham network of facilities, so super expensive.

Would a private facility take someone accused of murdering 3 people? I tend to think they are not equipped to handle that. Obviously she should not be released to her parents with an ankle monitors. WTF

No, she will probably end up home with home care, or she may end up staying in hospital until they are ever able to place her somewhere. That money will all go the hospital.

A murderer is not going home.

She may if no facilities are able to accept her and care for her properly. They can use the GFM money for 24/7 nursing care.

[Anonymous]

Would a non-cute, non-white, non-Instagrammable mom in the same situation be released to her parents? No effing way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Involuntary intoxication will never fly as a defense. Prosecution will put the husband on the stand and ask if she was acting strange or intoxicated or out of it when he left her alone with THREE young children including an infant. I think we all know what his answer has to be.

You misunderstand the legal definitions here. Involuntary intoxication doesn’t mean high or impaired like by alcohol or other similar substances. It means that she was subject to the effects of the drugs prescribed which in some cases can be suicidality and homicidal thoughts. Those effects would not necessarily be obvious to her husband as the effects of alcoholic or other high-inducing drugs would be. But it is still intoxicating in the way that those drugs can be.

This might be confusing for you and apologies if I’m not helping to clarify but I assure you it is a concept that all the criminal lawyers and judges will grasp and for which there is a sound legal basis in statute and case law.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

Well I doubt she had PPP. She still needs to be held accountable regardless, and as an RN I would have thought she’d be more aware of potential med interactions/contraindications, MDs aren’t always correct, she was fairly young and inexperienced though and probably all of her friends are taking some sort of psych med. Everyone seems to be nowadays. Also many school shooters were found to be on SSRIs just remember that.

You ... you know what a "confounding factor" is and what the most logical explanation for this correlation is, right?

Please enlighten me

Do you think school shooters were prescribed antidepressants randomly, for no reason at all? Really?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Her attorney has stated she was prescribed up to 12 psych meds since October 2022. If true, she was likely having major side effects from the mixtures of these meds. There is absolutely no need to prescribe this many psych meds to an otherwise mentally healthy young woman, this is just disgraceful although this is what I suspected. She was grossly overmedicated to the point of possibly causing psychosis. These physicians just hand out SSRIs and anxiolytics like candy, it should only be a psychiatrist doing this not pcp and obgyns. We don’t all need to take SSRIs, there’s something really wrong with our society if we all need emotional blunting.

Why would you assume she was not under the care of a psychiatrist?

I am curious as to who initially prescribed psych meds for her, bet it wasn’t a psych.

If your statement about 12 meds is correct, I have a hard time imagining any OB or PCP prescribing that many, or going through that many combinations, without referring to a psychiatrist.

Yes she was under a psych’s care later on, but I am talking initially. When did she first begin psych meds ever? And who prescribed them and why? I am betting it was either a pcp or obgyn, and I have a major issue with this. How long was she taking psych meds before she ever even saw a psych? Months? Years? Who initially diagnosed her with a mental illness to warrant taking these meds?

Sounds like you have no idea how hard it is to get into a psychiatrist. The wait times are unbelievable. It is often a gift that a PCP or OBGYN issues a prescription.

And it’s doubtful that it was 12 at once. There were probably different cocktails of medication that involved some small number of medications.

Yes, I am well aware how difficult it is. Anyone other than a psych should not be handing these meds out, especially to people without a psych diagnosis.

DP. Well, then we'll have a lot more dead people. I hope you can live with promoting that. (They won't.)

About 1 in every 5 to 6 people will be clinically depressed in their lifetimes. Of the ones who seek help from a physician for it, about 15% will commit suicide within one month if treatment is not started.

You, PP, are going to be responsible for a lot of dead people if you keep this up. Take responsibility for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would a non-cute, non-white, non-Instagrammable mom in the same situation be released to her parents? No effing way.

Placing any quad or para into a long term or even short term facility is not always easy. She may not be able to be placed in a prison at this time depending on her medical needs/complexity. This would apply to anyone, homeless drug addicted paraplegics are released back onto the streets. Is it fair? No but it is what it is.