Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Her attorney has stated she was prescribed up to 12 psych meds since October 2022. If true, she was likely having major side effects from the mixtures of these meds. There is absolutely no need to prescribe this many psych meds to an otherwise mentally healthy young woman, this is just disgraceful although this is what I suspected. She was grossly overmedicated to the point of possibly causing psychosis. These physicians just hand out SSRIs and anxiolytics like candy, it should only be a psychiatrist doing this not pcp and obgyns. We don’t all need to take SSRIs, there’s something really wrong with our society if we all need emotional blunting.

That is highly unlikely and seems the attorney is playing games.

Or she was mixing previously prescribed meds that should have been dumped. Perhaps she even took a little marijuana to help her relax.
It's seeming ppp is not going to be a valid defense so now this is what they're going with.

I will be very interested to see how this ends

I tend to agree. People were so sure it was postpartum psychosis but apparently not. I don’t see it reported anywhere that she was prescribed 12 medicines by a pcp and instructed to take them at the same time. People are really reaching to have sympathy but if this were a man or black woman she would be absolutely vilified.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Her attorney has stated she was prescribed up to 12 psych meds since October 2022. If true, she was likely having major side effects from the mixtures of these meds. There is absolutely no need to prescribe this many psych meds to an otherwise mentally healthy young woman, this is just disgraceful although this is what I suspected. She was grossly overmedicated to the point of possibly causing psychosis. These physicians just hand out SSRIs and anxiolytics like candy, it should only be a psychiatrist doing this not pcp and obgyns. We don’t all need to take SSRIs, there’s something really wrong with our society if we all need emotional blunting.

That is highly unlikely and seems the attorney is playing games.

Or she was mixing previously prescribed meds that should have been dumped. Perhaps she even took a little marijuana to help her relax.
It's seeming ppp is not going to be a valid defense so now this is what they're going with.

I will be very interested to see how this ends

I tend to agree. People were so sure it was postpartum psychosis but apparently not. I don’t see it reported anywhere that she was prescribed 12 medicines by a pcp and instructed to take them at the same time. People are really reaching to have sympathy but if this were a man or black woman she would be absolutely vilified.

I agree, she needs to be held accountable. But we also should try to figure out why this happened, to prevent this from happening to anyone of any color. Maybe it’s time to quit prescribing SSRIs like they are tic tacs. Brain chemistry can be altered indefinitely after taking some psych meds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

This is unacceptable. She murdered three children. She needs to be remanded to a state mental hospital to await trial if she cannot be in jail pending trial.

She may be a quad.

So? Do you believe that people with paralysis aren’t in jail?

Jail maybe but not mental hospitals, they would probably be in long term care facilities or home.

State run facilities can provide care for patients that are paralyzed. I worked in one for years in VA. She will not be going to the cushy private facility recommended by her family. They will not be able to care for her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

This is unacceptable. She murdered three children. She needs to be remanded to a state mental hospital to await trial if she cannot be in jail pending trial.

She may be a quad.

So? Do you believe that people with paralysis aren’t in jail?

Jail maybe but not mental hospitals, they would probably be in long term care facilities or home.

State run facilities can provide care for patients that are paralyzed. I worked in one for years in VA. She will not be going to the cushy private facility recommended by her family. They will not be able to care for her.

State run mental institutions yes, that is if and when they have bed availability.

[Anonymous]

Involuntary intoxication will never fly as a defense. Prosecution will put the husband on the stand and ask if she was acting strange or intoxicated or out of it when he left her alone with THREE young children including an infant. I think we all know what his answer has to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Her attorney has stated she was prescribed up to 12 psych meds since October 2022. If true, she was likely having major side effects from the mixtures of these meds. There is absolutely no need to prescribe this many psych meds to an otherwise mentally healthy young woman, this is just disgraceful although this is what I suspected. She was grossly overmedicated to the point of possibly causing psychosis. These physicians just hand out SSRIs and anxiolytics like candy, it should only be a psychiatrist doing this not pcp and obgyns. We don’t all need to take SSRIs, there’s something really wrong with our society if we all need emotional blunting.

Spoken like someone who doesn't understand what it's like to live in an area without enough doctors, let alone specialists. Or what it's like to be poor and not be able to afford to see a specialist when a GP can treat them. There's such a stigma surrounding mental health issues, sometimes patients who need help are reluctant to see a psychiatrist because they're not crazy, just depressed, but they'll take treatment from their GP. PPD is part of screening at OBGYN and newborn pediatric checkups for a reason. You expect a new mom with a new mental illness adjusting to all the changes happening while not getting enough sleep to be able to self screen and deal with all the appointment wait times and insurance issues to start seeing a psychiatrist for PPD when OBGYNs see and treat that all the time?

Why are you trying to make healthcare more inaccessible for the people who need it most?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Her attorney has stated she was prescribed up to 12 psych meds since October 2022. If true, she was likely having major side effects from the mixtures of these meds. There is absolutely no need to prescribe this many psych meds to an otherwise mentally healthy young woman, this is just disgraceful although this is what I suspected. She was grossly overmedicated to the point of possibly causing psychosis. These physicians just hand out SSRIs and anxiolytics like candy, it should only be a psychiatrist doing this not pcp and obgyns. We don’t all need to take SSRIs, there’s something really wrong with our society if we all need emotional blunting.

Spoken like someone who doesn't understand what it's like to live in an area without enough doctors, let alone specialists. Or what it's like to be poor and not be able to afford to see a specialist when a GP can treat them. There's such a stigma surrounding mental health issues, sometimes patients who need help are reluctant to see a psychiatrist because they're not crazy, just depressed, but they'll take treatment from their GP. PPD is part of screening at OBGYN and newborn pediatric checkups for a reason. You expect a new mom with a new mental illness adjusting to all the changes happening while not getting enough sleep to be able to self screen and deal with all the appointment wait times and insurance issues to start seeing a psychiatrist for PPD when OBGYNs see and treat that all the time?

Why are you trying to make healthcare more inaccessible for the people who need it most?

You still wouldn’t expect a pcp or obgyn to be an expert on diabetes, or congestive heart failure, or glaucoma, or Lupus, or rheumatoid arthritis, or COPD, etc. Why do we expect pcp and obgyns to know anything about mental health? Reality is, they aren’t qualified to make an accurate psych diagnosis, as much as we want our SSRIs, they shouldn’t be prescribing them.

[Anonymous]

She wasn’t poor or anything close to it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

This is unacceptable. She murdered three children. She needs to be remanded to a state mental hospital to await trial if she cannot be in jail pending trial.

She may be a quad.

So? Do you believe that people with paralysis aren’t in jail?

Jail maybe but not mental hospitals, they would probably be in long term care facilities or home.

State run facilities can provide care for patients that are paralyzed. I worked in one for years in VA. She will not be going to the cushy private facility recommended by her family. They will not be able to care for her.

State run mental institutions yes, that is if and when they have bed availability.

Yes, that’s why I keep saying “state” not the cushy place her lawyer suggested.

She’ll remain in jail, usually in the infirmary, until a bed is available in a state mental hospital.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

And who should pay for that? Her (now) millionaire husband? Or the tax payers of Massachusetts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

This is unacceptable. She murdered three children. She needs to be remanded to a state mental hospital to await trial if she cannot be in jail pending trial.

She may be a quad.

So? Do you believe that people with paralysis aren’t in jail?

Jail maybe but not mental hospitals, they would probably be in long term care facilities or home.

State run facilities can provide care for patients that are paralyzed. I worked in one for years in VA. She will not be going to the cushy private facility recommended by her family. They will not be able to care for her.

State run mental institutions yes, that is if and when they have bed availability.

Yes, that’s why I keep saying “state” not the cushy place her lawyer suggested.

She’ll remain in jail, usually in the infirmary, until a bed is available in a state mental hospital.

I don’t know…are jails equipped to care for quads? How many inmates are quads?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

And who should pay for that? Her (now) millionaire husband? Or the tax payers of Massachusetts?

As a resident of Mass, I wonder that too. Does insurance cover an incarcerated person if they are in a private facility? Spaulding is part of the Mass General - Brigham network of facilities, so super expensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Involuntary intoxication will never fly as a defense. Prosecution will put the husband on the stand and ask if she was acting strange or intoxicated or out of it when he left her alone with THREE young children including an infant. I think we all know what his answer has to be.

“It’s over medication, absolutely over medications — possibly with a component of post-partum depression,” Reddington told the Globe.

“She had medical care and treatment on a regular basis. And her husband was very proactive in trying to protect her and help her with the doctors’ medication she was prescribed, said the lawyer, who has hired a forensic mental health expert and toxicologist to help build the defense case.

I'm surprised her lawyer is saying this. First, he is downplaying any PPD factor and does not even mention PPP. He is blaming it all on "over-medication" yet states that she was receiving medical care and treatment on a regular basis and that her husband had no reason to believe he should not leave her alone. These don't seem like wise statements from defense counsel at this stage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

And who should pay for that? Her (now) millionaire husband? Or the tax payers of Massachusetts?

As a resident of Mass, I wonder that too. Does insurance cover an incarcerated person if they are in a private facility? Spaulding is part of the Mass General - Brigham network of facilities, so super expensive.

Would a private facility take someone accused of murdering 3 people? I tend to think they are not equipped to handle that. Obviously she should not be released to her parents with an ankle monitors. WTF

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her attorney has stated she was prescribed up to 12 psych meds since October 2022. If true, she was likely having major side effects from the mixtures of these meds. There is absolutely no need to prescribe this many psych meds to an otherwise mentally healthy young woman, this is just disgraceful although this is what I suspected. She was grossly overmedicated to the point of possibly causing psychosis. These physicians just hand out SSRIs and anxiolytics like candy, it should only be a psychiatrist doing this not pcp and obgyns. We don’t all need to take SSRIs, there’s something really wrong with our society if we all need emotional blunting.

Spoken like someone who doesn't understand what it's like to live in an area without enough doctors, let alone specialists. Or what it's like to be poor and not be able to afford to see a specialist when a GP can treat them. There's such a stigma surrounding mental health issues, sometimes patients who need help are reluctant to see a psychiatrist because they're not crazy, just depressed, but they'll take treatment from their GP. PPD is part of screening at OBGYN and newborn pediatric checkups for a reason. You expect a new mom with a new mental illness adjusting to all the changes happening while not getting enough sleep to be able to self screen and deal with all the appointment wait times and insurance issues to start seeing a psychiatrist for PPD when OBGYNs see and treat that all the time?

Why are you trying to make healthcare more inaccessible for the people who need it most?

You still wouldn’t expect a pcp or obgyn to be an expert on diabetes, or congestive heart failure, or glaucoma, or Lupus, or rheumatoid arthritis, or COPD, etc. Why do we expect pcp and obgyns to know anything about mental health? Reality is, they aren’t qualified to make an accurate psych diagnosis, as much as we want our SSRIs, they shouldn’t be prescribing them.

What exactly do you think PCPs and OBGYNs do? You know they went to medical school don't you? The same medical schools that oncologists, cardiologists, and endocrinologists go to, to receive the same education before specializing. You also know that they learned about parts of the body besides what they specialize in right? I do expect my OBGYN to know the signs of PPD and how to treat it. They're the doctors (along with pediatricians) who are most likely to see the symptoms and be able to offer treatment. I'd much rather my OBGYN, who knows me well after treating me during pregnancy and the birth of my child, be the one who handles my PPD treatment than a psychiatrist who I've never met, unless they feel like they're not able to offer the care I need and then I'd expect a referral. I'd also rather my OBGYN handle gestational diabetes or be involved in treatment for any new disease I'm diagnosed with during pregnancy. Just like if I developed type 2 diabetes, I'd deal with it under my PCP's care and if it's manageable, I'll stay there. I'd only seek a specialist if I needed a specialist. Do you think OBGYNs only deal with vaginas and birthing babies? I promise they're more than just crotch doctors.