Alec Baldwin now charged with involuntary manslaughter by New Mexico authorities

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Can’t acting schools just have mandatory gun training ?

Assume they decide to go that way. Guess what the first rule you’re taught in any gun training?

The person holding the gun is responsible for it and always assume it’s loaded unless you have checked it yourself.

On a set, it's safer to have experts check the gun rather than the actor - mistakes happen often enough by experts, do you really think having nonexperts doing things with a gun is safer?

Actors are not at a shooting range or the field. They are on a set.

It’s basic gun safety. The person holding the gun is always responsible. Always assume the gun is loaded. Never point a gun at someone else.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Baldwin is an ass but I think this is a really bad precedent for anyone that works with equipment that might be dangerous. If the person at your place of employment who is responsible for safety tells you something is safe to use in the way you are supposed to use it for work, and it turns out that they are incompetent and you kill someone because the item was not in fact safe….should you go to jail? No. Acting is unusual in that a gun is a tool of the trade but many people work with equipment that can be fatal if not properly maintained or inspected. If he was a miner and the explosives went off wrong because someone else loaded it wrong, we would t blame him—we’d blame the person responsible for loading the explosives.

He’s a jerk and he does himself no favors with his matyr act but I don’t think he’s criminally liable here.

People are held liable for negligence all the time.

He was one of the producers, not some teenage extra just doing what he was told. So he was responsible for the entire circumstance that he created. Up to and including not checking the weapon before he fired and shot two people.

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Anonymous wrote:If Baldwin pulled the trigger and shot the person when someone else had loaded it with a real bullet, not a blank, then is he at fault or is the bullet-loader at fault?

It is 100% the responsibility of the person holding a gun to make sure it is not loaded, and if it is loaded, handled in a safe manor. That’s not debatable. Are others partly responsible? Sure. That does not change the responsibility of the person that pulled the trigger.

You are wrong both morally and legally.

If I hand you a gun and say it’s not loaded, would you put it to your head and pull the trigger without checking?

The director should have checked the gun first before instructing Baldwin to proceed with the scene.

Ok, The Director hands you a gun, tells you it’s not loaded, would you put it to your head and pull the trigger without checking?

The director put the gun to her own head based on the armorer saying it didn't have live bullets. The director stood in front of the gun and was hit by it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Can’t acting schools just have mandatory gun training ?

Assume they decide to go that way. Guess what the first rule you’re taught in any gun training?

The person holding the gun is responsible for it and always assume it’s loaded unless you have checked it yourself.

On a set, it's safer to have experts check the gun rather than the actor - mistakes happen often enough by experts, do you really think having nonexperts doing things with a gun is safer?

Actors are not at a shooting range or the field. They are on a set.

It’s basic gun safety. The person holding the gun is always responsible. Always assume the gun is loaded. Never point a gun at someone else.

Movies must be very mysterious to you. Or maybe you assume that everyone shot in a movie scene actually dies.

Terrifying.

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He aimed the gun as they were setting upthe shot for the camera, right? But why did he pull the trigger? There was no reason. I kind of remember hee said he never pulled the trigger, but the gun went off on its own??

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Someone DIED! A child friend mom wife.

The sad truth is that 15 Americans die every day in on the job accidents. I do not blame Baldwin at all; he was handed a prop by the armorer and just doing his job (like hundreds of other actors do every year in firearm-related scenes).

The armorer was negligent.

One of the first things any fire arms safety class will teach you is that every gun is loaded until you verify that it isn't

Do you have proof he took a fire arms safety class? I imagine most actors do not verify guns are unloaded, knives are unsharp, etc. before using the props they are handed.

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Anonymous wrote:Total BS. NM just wants to fry a big fish.

Nope. It is the correct decision.

He not only fired the weapon, he was also the producer. Protocols were not followed. People had left the set prior to the shooting because of working conditions.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

This is the lowest felony he can be charged with when a death is involved. Question is.... will it go to trial or will he plea?

A producer
Not THE producer.
There is a huge difference

The person who puled the trigger

He’s an actor doing his job. He didn’t knowingly put a live bullet in the gun for the scene to kill her. I don’t think he should be charged. People get injured and sometimes die doing their jobs every day.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was there a bullet in the gun? Can someone summarize for me?

Because shenanigans. Because the armorer, the person who is responsible for the prop guns (which are real guns that are being used as props, they aren't fake guns), was playing around with the gun earlier and shooting live bullets in them. And then "somehow" a live bullet was in the gun during the filming of the scene. The "somehow" seems to be a fatal combination of youth, inexperience, incompetence, and alcohol.

So how is any of this anyone else’s fault but the armorer?

[Anonymous]

Maybe he found out the cinematographer was a Hilaria Baldwin poster on DCUM and put a real bullet in the gun when no one was looking. Maybe the armorer and the cinematographer were having an affair, and the cinematographer was ending it and the armorer took her shot at revenge, pun intended. Maybe the cinematogrpaher had some dirt on the armorer, or on Baldwin, and one of them took advantage of the situation to do her in. Maybe the cinematographer wanted to end her own life and took the easy way out by loading the gun with a real bullet.

Who knows. But Alec Baldwin should not be expected to check the gun every time a gun expert hands it to him and clears it as safe. That's ridiculous. That makes having an armorer on set a waste of money. SHE is responsible, whatever the back story may be. She signed off on the gun.

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Anonymous wrote:Total BS. NM just wants to fry a big fish.

Nope. It is the correct decision.

He not only fired the weapon, he was also the producer. Protocols were not followed. People had left the set prior to the shooting because of working conditions.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

This is the lowest felony he can be charged with when a death is involved. Question is.... will it go to trial or will he plea?

A producer
Not THE producer.
There is a huge difference

The person who puled the trigger

He’s an actor doing his job. He didn’t knowingly put a live bullet in the gun for the scene to kill her. I don’t think he should be charged. People get injured and sometimes die doing their jobs every day.

That's why it's INVOLUNTARY manslaughter no?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Total BS. NM just wants to fry a big fish.

Nope. It is the correct decision.

He not only fired the weapon, he was also the producer. Protocols were not followed. People had left the set prior to the shooting because of working conditions.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

This is the lowest felony he can be charged with when a death is involved. Question is.... will it go to trial or will he plea?

A producer
Not THE producer.
There is a huge difference

The person who puled the trigger

He’s an actor doing his job. He didn’t knowingly put a live bullet in the gun for the scene to kill her. I don’t think he should be charged. People get injured and sometimes die doing their jobs every day.

That's why it's INVOLUNTARY manslaughter no?

So if a bus driver gets on the bus to do his route and the brakes weren't fixed properly by the mechanic and he runs someone over as a consequence, is the bus driver guilty of involuntary manslaughter?

[Anonymous]

Is he being sued as a producer or as the actor?

It’ll be interesting to see what a jury does with this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Total BS. NM just wants to fry a big fish.

Nope. It is the correct decision.

He not only fired the weapon, he was also the producer. Protocols were not followed. People had left the set prior to the shooting because of working conditions.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

This is the lowest felony he can be charged with when a death is involved. Question is.... will it go to trial or will he plea?

A producer
Not THE producer.
There is a huge difference

The person who puled the trigger

He’s an actor doing his job. He didn’t knowingly put a live bullet in the gun for the scene to kill her. I don’t think he should be charged. People get injured and sometimes die doing their jobs every day.

That's why it's INVOLUNTARY manslaughter no?

It’s reasonable that he would think the gun was safe under these circumstances. His actions weren’t reckless or negligent.

[Anonymous]

Plus, the gun was destroyed in the process of testing. Alec's lawyers are going to move to exclude any mention of the gun's functionality because the defense experts weren't able to look at it or independently test it.

The DA has big evidence problems.... in addition to the problems with culpability when the actor was told that the gun was cold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Plus, the gun was destroyed in the process of testing. Alec's lawyers are going to move to exclude any mention of the gun's functionality because the defense experts weren't able to look at it or independently test it.

The DA has big evidence problems.... in addition to the problems with culpability when the actor was told that the gun was cold.

This is their 15 minutes of fame.