Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Admissions is zero sum. If it weren't for the personality scores, the Harvard student body would be far more Asian American

Only if test scores were the only admission criteria. Clearly, that is not the case. It's really hard for some people to accept that their excellent test scores can only get them so far. So is life.

Why do you say only test scores??
Asians excel in Test, GPA, ECs, Awards, etc.
Where did you get that weird idea from??

A school needs football players, cheerleaders, frat presidents, drama majors, art majors. Dancers, all types of things.

It is not all GPA and test scores. It would be a very boring school if you only admitted people with perfect test scores. Also diversity is important. I learn nothing from people like me. Group think.

Are people really thinking the basketball team can be full of 5 foot six Chinese kids?

Doesn't sound like you've learned (or know) anything, period.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Admissions is zero sum. If it weren't for the personality scores, the Harvard student body would be far more Asian American

Only if test scores were the only admission criteria. Clearly, that is not the case. It's really hard for some people to accept that their excellent test scores can only get them so far. So is life.

Of course not, you have the personality score to insert racist biases. It's more necessary than ever now that Asian American students are realizing that ECs matter.

All that racism but Asian students make up approximately 30% of Harvard's student population. Oh the humanity and entitlement!

Is that correct? What would the percentage need to be for the Asian American's who don't get in to accept the outcome?

They want 100% admission.

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Admissions is zero sum. If it weren't for the personality scores, the Harvard student body would be far more Asian American

They did similar things to reduce the number of Jews a century ago. That is why they strive for geographic diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:"One helpful illustration of this point your honor, is SFFA's own expert, their own decile analysis finds that "Among the most academically qualified students, Asian Americans and White applicants actually have a higher acceptance rate than Black students, this is their own expert evidence, and this is discussed at tab 78, as the District Court commented that is a particularly strange result if their characterization of our admissions' process is accurate."

WOW.

This lawsuit is a waste of time. My god.

The plaintiffs are about to win at the Supreme Court, hardly a waste of time

Win now, lose later. The same conservatives that are backing the plaintiffs will be posting "No Asians" signs in their storefronts and schools.

Good luck with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

Plessy v Ferguson has language like that, in the Harlan dissent that is generally praised.
However, the Chinese Exclusion Act was based on the idea that Chinese would become dominant over whites.

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A person asked this up thread but it wasn't answered:

What happens to all the Asian kids who gradate from Harvard and similar (and have for 20 years)? You don't see them at all in law or finance or in the C suite. I see some in medicine but not enough to account for the numbers that graduate from prestigious undergrads. Are many working behind the scenes in tech?

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This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Yes, affirmative action is harmful to whites as well. If it were only whites being harmed by affirmative action, it should still be eliminated. That it harms Asians so substantially is a convenient way to use the left's arguments against the left.

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Anonymous wrote:A person asked this up thread but it wasn't answered:

What happens to all the Asian kids who gradate from Harvard and similar (and have for 20 years)? You don't see them at all in law or finance or in the C suite. I see some in medicine but not enough to account for the numbers that graduate from prestigious undergrads. Are many working behind the scenes in tech?

Racism exists in the workplace too.

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Anonymous wrote:A person asked this up thread but it wasn't answered:

What happens to all the Asian kids who gradate from Harvard and similar (and have for 20 years)? You don't see them at all in law or finance or in the C suite. I see some in medicine but not enough to account for the numbers that graduate from prestigious undergrads. Are many working behind the scenes in tech?

I don't know about law but there are many in finance and consulting. Many CEOs are Asian, but they may not be from Harvard.

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This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Yes, affirmative action is harmful to whites as well. If it were only whites being harmed by affirmative action, it should still be eliminated. That it harms Asians so substantially is a convenient way to use the left's arguments against the left.

You got it. This lawsuit is not about helping the model Asians, it's about preserving the white status quo. White male fragility must be protected at all cost.

I have a strong dislike for the Republican party but I will be the first to admit that their game plan is always topnotch.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what I want- I want there to be a registry for classes/tutoring/test prep and each test prep/tutoring you get puts you in a demographic of your own so you are only compared against those same kids. Same with how many times you take it. Kids who take it 3 times with 4 prep classes should not be in the same cohort as a kid who takes it once with no prep. Special talents and ECs? Those take time, investment, and funding. Awards? Ppft.

So you want a registry of people who purchase certain books or check them out at a library. Or perhaps you want all the Kaplan and Princeton Review books burned at 233C.
Maybe Amazon will give records to the universities. And there should be a registry of all lending of these books to third parties, no straw purchases.

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Anonymous wrote:A person asked this up thread but it wasn't answered:

What happens to all the Asian kids who gradate from Harvard and similar (and have for 20 years)? You don't see them at all in law or finance or in the C suite. I see some in medicine but not enough to account for the numbers that graduate from prestigious undergrads. Are many working behind the scenes in tech?

Racism exists in the workplace too.

+1 bamboo ceiling.

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This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Yes, affirmative action is harmful to whites as well. If it were only whites being harmed by affirmative action, it should still be eliminated. That it harms Asians so substantially is a convenient way to use the left's arguments against the left.

You got it. This lawsuit is not about helping the model Asians, it's about preserving the white status quo. White male fragility must be protected at all cost.

I have a strong dislike for the Republican party but I will be the first to admit that their game plan is always topnotch.

It’s all about protecting white male fragility, eh? Honestly, some of you people are as bad as the QAnon folks with their conspiracies.

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Anonymous wrote:A person asked this up thread but it wasn't answered:

What happens to all the Asian kids who gradate from Harvard and similar (and have for 20 years)? You don't see them at all in law or finance or in the C suite. I see some in medicine but not enough to account for the numbers that graduate from prestigious undergrads. Are many working behind the scenes in tech?

I don't know about law but there are many in finance and consulting. Many CEOs are Asian, but they may not be from Harvard.

Decent amount of South Asian tech CEOs of American companies. Almost none (or none) from China.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Admissions is zero sum. If it weren't for the personality scores, the Harvard student body would be far more Asian American

Only if test scores were the only admission criteria. Clearly, that is not the case. It's really hard for some people to accept that their excellent test scores can only get them so far. So is life.

Of course not, you have the personality score to insert racist biases. It's more necessary than ever now that Asian American students are realizing that ECs matter.

All that racism but Asian students make up approximately 30% of Harvard's student population. Oh the humanity and entitlement!

Is that correct? What would the percentage need to be for the Asian American's who don't get in to accept the outcome?

They want 100% admission.

It's never about percentage.
No individual should be discriminated based on race.
Period.