Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

This whole thing is such a black mark on liberalism. We will look back at this in 20 years with shame.

This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Admissions is zero sum. If it weren't for the personality scores, the Harvard student body would be far more Asian American

Only if test scores were the only admission criteria. Clearly, that is not the case. It's really hard for some people to accept that their excellent test scores can only get them so far. So is life.

Of course not, you have the personality score to insert racist biases. It's more necessary than ever now that Asian American students are realizing that ECs matter.

All that racism but Asian students make up approximately 30% of Harvard's student population. Oh the humanity and entitlement!

Amazing !

Is it entitlement to want to be judged by the transcripts rather than by the color of the skin?

Your mission is to first prove that you are being judged by the color of your skin.

How do you account for the findings where Harvard admissions would give a low personality score for Asian Am. students whom they never met even as the interviewers, who did meet the student, gave them high scores for personality?

PP obviously believes that, in a totally not racist way, that Asian American applicants have terrible personalities

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Admissions is zero sum. If it weren't for the personality scores, the Harvard student body would be far more Asian American

Only if test scores were the only admission criteria. Clearly, that is not the case. It's really hard for some people to accept that their excellent test scores can only get them so far. So is life.

Of course not, you have the personality score to insert racist biases. It's more necessary than ever now that Asian American students are realizing that ECs matter.

All that racism but Asian students make up approximately 30% of Harvard's student population. Oh the humanity and entitlement!

Amazing !

Is it entitlement to want to be judged by the transcripts rather than by the color of the skin?

Your mission is to first prove that you are being judged by the color of your skin.

How do you account for the findings where Harvard admissions would give a low personality score for Asian Am. students whom they never met even as the interviewers, who did meet the student, gave them high scores for personality?

It could just be racial biases.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Admissions is zero sum. If it weren't for the personality scores, the Harvard student body would be far more Asian American

Only if test scores were the only admission criteria. Clearly, that is not the case. It's really hard for some people to accept that their excellent test scores can only get them so far. So is life.

Why do you say only test scores??
Asians excel in Test, GPA, ECs, Awards, etc.
Where did you get that weird idea from??

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Admissions is zero sum. If it weren't for the personality scores, the Harvard student body would be far more Asian American

Only if test scores were the only admission criteria. Clearly, that is not the case. It's really hard for some people to accept that their excellent test scores can only get them so far. So is life.

+1 That's exactly what so many who grew up in other countries never seem to understand. We do things differently here, and it works.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Admissions is zero sum. If it weren't for the personality scores, the Harvard student body would be far more Asian American

Only if test scores were the only admission criteria. Clearly, that is not the case. It's really hard for some people to accept that their excellent test scores can only get them so far. So is life.

+1 That's exactly what so many who grew up in other countries never seem to understand. We do things differently here, and it works.

Not sure about that given American college students' dismal overall academic performance

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

My white kid is one of 12 kids in the advanced math track at her very intense private school. 10 of 12 are Asian. The kids in this track routinely text about math homework problems all Friday and Saturday evenings. All evening long.
There are only so many hours in the week and everyone gets the same number. If you are working on math and other homework every weekend night, you aren't socializing in the same way that other high school kids do who are hanging out with friends and other kids every Friday and Saturday night. These kids are spending 4 years honing their social skills instead of maximizing their academic knowledge.
This is super generalization but there is something to it. My kid is seeing it play out.

#1 you just outed yourself but everyone probably knows you're a dick anyway. #2 this is so racist.

Seriously, the anti-Asian sentiments on DCUM are horrifying.

Racism is alive and well in the 21st century, especially behind the veil of anonymity

Very few of the comments in this thread have been racist. You are misunderstanding what you read.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Admissions is zero sum. If it weren't for the personality scores, the Harvard student body would be far more Asian American

Only if test scores were the only admission criteria. Clearly, that is not the case. It's really hard for some people to accept that their excellent test scores can only get them so far. So is life.

+1 That's exactly what so many who grew up in other countries never seem to understand. We do things differently here, and it works.

Not sure about that given American college students' dismal overall academic performance

Again, test scores are not the only indicator of success. Take a look at the American economy and you'll see the results of the American educational system.

Oh, and test scores in some of those countries where it appears they're being so much more successful with their education than we are would be significantly lower than ours if they included scores from all students like we do instead of just those from the elite schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Admissions is zero sum. If it weren't for the personality scores, the Harvard student body would be far more Asian American

Only if test scores were the only admission criteria. Clearly, that is not the case. It's really hard for some people to accept that their excellent test scores can only get them so far. So is life.

Why do you say only test scores??
Asians excel in Test, GPA, ECs, Awards, etc.
Where did you get that weird idea from??

+1 so many stereotypes and "implicit" bias (frankly, racism) on display in this thread. Like Asians are just good at tests. The point is that many of these applicants were excelling on "holistic" admissions as well. Otherwise there would be no need to try to undercut them.

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"One helpful illustration of this point your honor, is SFFA's own expert, their own decile analysis finds that "Among the most academically qualified students, Asian Americans and White applicants actually have a higher acceptance rate than Black students, this is their own expert evidence, and this is discussed at tab 78, as the District Court commented that is a particularly strange result if their characterization of our admissions' process is accurate."

WOW.

This lawsuit is a waste of time. My god.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Admissions is zero sum. If it weren't for the personality scores, the Harvard student body would be far more Asian American

Only if test scores were the only admission criteria. Clearly, that is not the case. It's really hard for some people to accept that their excellent test scores can only get them so far. So is life.

Of course not, you have the personality score to insert racist biases. It's more necessary than ever now that Asian American students are realizing that ECs matter.

All that racism but Asian students make up approximately 30% of Harvard's student population. Oh the humanity and entitlement!

Is that correct? What would the percentage need to be for the Asian American's who don't get in to accept the outcome?

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Anonymous wrote:"One helpful illustration of this point your honor, is SFFA's own expert, their own decile analysis finds that "Among the most academically qualified students, Asian Americans and White applicants actually have a higher acceptance rate than Black students, this is their own expert evidence, and this is discussed at tab 78, as the District Court commented that is a particularly strange result if their characterization of our admissions' process is accurate."

WOW.

This lawsuit is a waste of time. My god.

The plaintiffs are about to win at the Supreme Court, hardly a waste of time

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Admissions is zero sum. If it weren't for the personality scores, the Harvard student body would be far more Asian American

Only if test scores were the only admission criteria. Clearly, that is not the case. It's really hard for some people to accept that their excellent test scores can only get them so far. So is life.

Why do you say only test scores??
Asians excel in Test, GPA, ECs, Awards, etc.
Where did you get that weird idea from??

A school needs football players, cheerleaders, frat presidents, drama majors, art majors. Dancers, all types of things.

It is not all GPA and test scores. It would be a very boring school if you only admitted people with perfect test scores. Also diversity is important. I learn nothing from people like me. Group think.

Are people really thinking the basketball team can be full of 5 foot six Chinese kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

My white kid is one of 12 kids in the advanced math track at her very intense private school. 10 of 12 are Asian. The kids in this track routinely text about math homework problems all Friday and Saturday evenings. All evening long.
There are only so many hours in the week and everyone gets the same number. If you are working on math and other homework every weekend night, you aren't socializing in the same way that other high school kids do who are hanging out with friends and other kids every Friday and Saturday night. These kids are spending 4 years honing their social skills instead of maximizing their academic knowledge.
This is super generalization but there is something to it. My kid is seeing it play out.

#1 you just outed yourself but everyone probably knows you're a dick anyway. #2 this is so racist.

Seriously, the anti-Asian sentiments on DCUM are horrifying.

Racism is alive and well in the 21st century, especially behind the veil of anonymity

Very few of the comments in this thread have been racist. You are misunderstanding what you read.

Do a closer reading

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Asian Americans make up 5.7 percent of population with a 30 percent acceptance rate at Harvard.

It takes balls to Sue

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Anonymous wrote:Asians were deemed subhuman and unassimilable in the nineteenth century, but have become America’s exceptionally competent minority in the 21st century. This does not fit neatly within the progressive narrative. It is much easier to lower the bar for certain groups than to do the heavy lifting of improving the educational system for all.

You have foolishly bought into the conservative narrative that progressives are the problem. URMs are not the problem.

Can you explain why it is that Asian applicants need higher scores in order to get into top colleges? The right has a plausible explanation that was born out by the Harvard case, what is your alternative explanation?

Holistic admissions. Test scores are not the be all/end all that folks think they are.

So we're pretending that the Harvard personality scores that were shown to be lower across the board for asians are just causal racism and not a way to dock asian applicants in order to boost diversity? Or do you believe that Asian kids really do have inferior personalities?

This is a false premise. There is no diversity gain from decreasing the number of Asians students when it is primarily white students who are losing ground in admissions.

Admissions is zero sum. If it weren't for the personality scores, the Harvard student body would be far more Asian American

Only if test scores were the only admission criteria. Clearly, that is not the case. It's really hard for some people to accept that their excellent test scores can only get them so far. So is life.

Why do you say only test scores??
Asians excel in Test, GPA, ECs, Awards, etc.
Where did you get that weird idea from??

A school needs football players, cheerleaders, frat presidents, drama majors, art majors. Dancers, all types of things.

It is not all GPA and test scores. It would be a very boring school if you only admitted people with perfect test scores. Also diversity is important. I learn nothing from people like me. Group think.

Are people really thinking the basketball team can be full of 5 foot six Chinese kids?

“Groupthink” lol. The irony.

It’s progressive groupthink that prevents you from considering both sides of this debate. Yes, diversity is vital, but so is not discriminating on the basis of race.