Boycott/ Divest and Pull your College App from All States which violate Our Daughters' Civil Rights

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Anonymous wrote:Look, pro-lifers - no matter what you want to believe, this is already in motion and it's far bigger than DCUM. You can't and won't stop this by going on a message board and calling everyone "nutjobs."

Your states *will* and already are losing revenue as will companies based in your states, and that's entirely the fault of you pro-lifers.

How do you explain the mass exodus from CA, NY, IL, etc. to FL and TX?

How do you explain today’s news about employment rates in Red states outshining Blue states post-covid?

Btw, I’m a Dem. But I read all the news and I don’t cherry-pick stats to support my thinking. Rather, I strive to step back to see the bigger picture and connect the dots.

You should try it. Everyone should…especially our Dem leaders who should be working 24/7 on capitalizing on this moment to win midterms.

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Fwiw, NC has not banned yet. Neither has VA. NC has a Dem Governor, even

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Anonymous wrote:Again, why do those numbers matter? Many states are aiming for NO exceptions. And the laws are so poorly written, doctors are afraid of lawsuits and will allow women to die when a quick operation that ends the pregnancy causing problems would have kept the woman alive.

TN is trying to lower its minimum age for marriage back to 15 ( now its 16) so that those PG barely teens can be forced to be barefoot, married and pregnant- just like 15 year olds in Afghanistan

Don't send your daughters to Vanderbilt where she might be surrounded by this type of backwardness during her critical early adulthood

Certainly DO NOT financially give ANYTHING to this State !

Boycott, Divest and pull your kids' College App

Are you *still* nattering on about this?

Seriously, this nutjob needs to give it a rest. Nobody in their right mind is not going to apply to Vanderbilt or any other college because the Supreme Court overturned Roe.

You must not know many families looking at top schools. The vast majority are educated and understand what it means to send their kids to a backwater sh1thole that treats women as second-class citizens.

DP

On the one hand, you aren’t wrong.

Yes, presumably anyone looking at “top schools” is well-educated.

Yes, presumably well-educated people follow the news and have a “sense” (typically based on assumption and stereotypes) of what it means to go to a certain school or a certain state. (The state piece makes me chuckle because the reality is students tend to live on or extremely close to campus and they only experience campus life, not the real local culture; it’s akin to visiting DC for a week and only seeing the touristy things).

But your statement is dripping with arrogance and intellectual elitism fueled by identity politics that compel you to label entire states as backwater shitholes.

Congratulations. You are the stereotypical liberal elitist.

You are entitled to your beliefs. FTR, I’m a lifelong liberal who lives in super blue MoCo and has a social justice advocacy job. I’m very, very pro-choice.

But let’s get real: families like yours were never really considering schools in the south, right? I mean, before the Supreme Court decision came down, many states had already limited abortion by the fact they only had 1 abortion clinic in the state. Was that level of access sufficient for you and your daughter? Was the state a backwater s-hole a month ago or only post-Dobbs?

Just admit that your family had already written off certain states based on whatever measure you use. You probably never set foot in most of those states. You probably don’t have close contacts there who are good people doing good things regardless of their party affiliation or personal beliefs on abortion. You adhere to stereotypes that allowed you to pass judgement on an entire state and it’s people.

If you live in VA, you should know that many liberals similarly judge Virginians in similar fashion. If you are from the dc metro area, you might think that’s unreasonable and unfair. I bet good people living in AL, TN, etc. feel the same way.

Regardless of what your kid does regarding college (a privilege in and of itself), I encourage you to step back and evaluate your role in perpetuating stereotypes, bias, and the identity politics that are literally destroying our democracy.

Our democracy thrives on constructive debate and bipartisan consensus. We must not live in bubbles and pat ourselves on the back for being well-educated good people while throwing rocks at all citizens of certain states (and their colleges) and saying hateful, condescending things. I know you think it helps, but it really doesn’t.

Advocate to change hearts and minds and ultimately laws.

Do not close yourself off and hurl sweeping generalizations and antagonistic slurs. Rigid activists aren’t effective; open-minded, persistent, consensus-building advocates are. You can’t advocate by preaching to the choir in your bubble.

We live in VA and will move out of this sh1thole if the VA GOP attacks women.

If people don't want to be associated with a sh1thole state that treats women like trash then they can also move away. Or elect new officials.

I want to move out of VA because of the high taxes, insane home prices, and little ‘bang for your buck’

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Anonymous wrote:Fwiw, NC has not banned yet. Neither has VA. NC has a Dem Governor, even

Guess we will see what happens over the next two years.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, why do those numbers matter? Many states are aiming for NO exceptions. And the laws are so poorly written, doctors are afraid of lawsuits and will allow women to die when a quick operation that ends the pregnancy causing problems would have kept the woman alive.

TN is trying to lower its minimum age for marriage back to 15 ( now its 16) so that those PG barely teens can be forced to be barefoot, married and pregnant- just like 15 year olds in Afghanistan

Don't send your daughters to Vanderbilt where she might be surrounded by this type of backwardness during her critical early adulthood

Certainly DO NOT financially give ANYTHING to this State !

Boycott, Divest and pull your kids' College App

Are you *still* nattering on about this?

Seriously, this nutjob needs to give it a rest. Nobody in their right mind is not going to apply to Vanderbilt or any other college because the Supreme Court overturned Roe.

You must not know many families looking at top schools. The vast majority are educated and understand what it means to send their kids to a backwater sh1thole that treats women as second-class citizens.

DP

On the one hand, you aren’t wrong.

Yes, presumably anyone looking at “top schools” is well-educated.

Yes, presumably well-educated people follow the news and have a “sense” (typically based on assumption and stereotypes) of what it means to go to a certain school or a certain state. (The state piece makes me chuckle because the reality is students tend to live on or extremely close to campus and they only experience campus life, not the real local culture; it’s akin to visiting DC for a week and only seeing the touristy things).

But your statement is dripping with arrogance and intellectual elitism fueled by identity politics that compel you to label entire states as backwater shitholes.

Congratulations. You are the stereotypical liberal elitist.

You are entitled to your beliefs. FTR, I’m a lifelong liberal who lives in super blue MoCo and has a social justice advocacy job. I’m very, very pro-choice.

But let’s get real: families like yours were never really considering schools in the south, right? I mean, before the Supreme Court decision came down, many states had already limited abortion by the fact they only had 1 abortion clinic in the state. Was that level of access sufficient for you and your daughter? Was the state a backwater s-hole a month ago or only post-Dobbs?

Just admit that your family had already written off certain states based on whatever measure you use. You probably never set foot in most of those states. You probably don’t have close contacts there who are good people doing good things regardless of their party affiliation or personal beliefs on abortion. You adhere to stereotypes that allowed you to pass judgement on an entire state and it’s people.

If you live in VA, you should know that many liberals similarly judge Virginians in similar fashion. If you are from the dc metro area, you might think that’s unreasonable and unfair. I bet good people living in AL, TN, etc. feel the same way.

Regardless of what your kid does regarding college (a privilege in and of itself), I encourage you to step back and evaluate your role in perpetuating stereotypes, bias, and the identity politics that are literally destroying our democracy.

Our democracy thrives on constructive debate and bipartisan consensus. We must not live in bubbles and pat ourselves on the back for being well-educated good people while throwing rocks at all citizens of certain states (and their colleges) and saying hateful, condescending things. I know you think it helps, but it really doesn’t.

Advocate to change hearts and minds and ultimately laws.

Do not close yourself off and hurl sweeping generalizations and antagonistic slurs. Rigid activists aren’t effective; open-minded, persistent, consensus-building advocates are. You can’t advocate by preaching to the choir in your bubble.

We live in VA and will move out of this sh1thole if the VA GOP attacks women.

If people don't want to be associated with a sh1thole state that treats women like trash then they can also move away. Or elect new officials.

I want to move out of VA because of the high taxes, insane home prices, and little ‘bang for your buck’

"high taxes"? LOL. Nope.

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Anonymous wrote:Hahah - enjoy your bus boycott

The Bus boycott was 60 years ago and was successful, btw

But 60 years later we are Corp Lawyers with decades of experience as litigators and we will bring Tennessee to its knees as an Example to all other states that violate our civil rights and make felons of our daughters

Haha. Good luck waging your boycott on the Volunteer State.

Btw, what rights is TN poised to “violate.” Is the Supreme Court no longer the arbiter of the law of the land?

You don't seem to get it- corporate women and female corp lawyers don't need to debate your ilk because you have no influence over TN's economy

We will take our case to the Swedish , Dutch and German corporations- all very socially progressive countries- that the state of Tennessee has chosen to make itself completely financially dependent upon for jobs, investment and tax revenue.

You just don't get it and neither do the 5 SCOTUS " judges" - this isn't 1972 America and corp and state's finances are waaaay more dependent on foreign Investment now and women are now litigators..... legions of litigators.

We are never going back to Women dying of illegal abortions, being denied health care and being sentenced as Felons for exercising self autonomy

Starting with TN and Vanderbilt University and making them the 1st Example of what is going to happen to every Red state

You are nice to explain this. The other poster seems dumb as a rock because they don’t seem to understand foreign investment and why it would hurt TN not to have it. Good Lord.

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Anonymous wrote:We are pro life as is our daughter. We have decided to move to a red state where she is accepted to nursing school. We will only have OOS tuition for one year, though our college coach has let us know many schools waive those fees to attract the brightest and best.

We are looking at Texas, Alabama, Florida and Georgia.

We want to support those states that support the sanctity of life!

Hope your daughter isn't raped and become pregnant. And then the rapist will claim "paternal" rights to see the kid. Or has a miscarriage. OR a baby who will be born without a brain.

Those are terrible, tragic events. Fortunately, as described by you, pregnancy by rape and babies born without a brain are not common occurrences.

NP - but they DO happen and most of these states are going to make it impossible to obtain an abortion in those situations

Ok, but let's quit making it sound like those are the primary reasons for abortions. Honesty is important.

What are these primary reasons in your estimation? Please enlighten us.

Rape and incest account for 1-1.5% of all abortions. You can figure out the other reasons. Stop making up lies lies and damn statitistics as if they are true!

This false statistic that keeps getting repeated is based on an entirely false premise. The real percentages are significantly higher. Reporting on the reason why the patient is getting the abortion is not even remotely comprehensive, and where it exists, it's voluntary, so it's at a complete disjoint from the overall totals. So, for the overwhelming majority of abortions, they simply have no data at all on the reason why. Either no questionnaire on why they were getting it, or declined to answer why, which is legitimate given the trauma they are already living through. So they falsely count those non-answers as "abortion of convenience" and in so doing, significaintly undercount the actual reasons, including rape and incest cases.

With your rationale that rape and incest are "significantly undercounted," along with your omission of data, one can assume that yiu don't know if the percentages are "significantly higher." You just want people to assume you're correct?

Yet you wanted people to assume your completely faulty 0.5% statistic was correct and not be questioned on it, didn't you. Your 0.5% premise is no more valid.

We don't know what the real statistic is. But whatever it is, it's guaranteed to be higher, as we know pregnancies resulting from rape are significantly higher than 0.5% and we know that rapes and other forms of nonconsentual sex are undercounted.

PP here. I never wrote a post on this thread citing any statistics.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, pro-lifers - no matter what you want to believe, this is already in motion and it's far bigger than DCUM. You can't and won't stop this by going on a message board and calling everyone "nutjobs."

Your states *will* and already are losing revenue as will companies based in your states, and that's entirely the fault of you pro-lifers.

Poll after poll shows that this is not the issue to most people you want it to be. It's just not.

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Anonymous wrote:DH and I are both University of Notre Dame graduates as was my FIL. It’s in Indiana and very backward on women’s rights. Neither of our kids are allowed to even apply or accept recruitment.

Why?

Presumably you and your husband turned out fine? Presumably you received a good education, right?

But your kids aren’t allowed the option?

Too funny. Amy Coney Barrett was a professor at Notre Dame, gave a speech there earlier this year, but Indiana is the problem.

And Notre Dame is a CATHOLIC school!

Notre Dame is failing in the rankings.

ACB could not list the five freedoms. I expect a SCOTUS member to be able to do this in their confirmation hearing and in their sleep.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/live-blog/amy-coney-barrett-supreme-court-confirmation-hearing-live-updates-day-n1243266/ncrd1243383#liveBlogCards

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Anonymous wrote:We are pro life as is our daughter. We have decided to move to a red state where she is accepted to nursing school. We will only have OOS tuition for one year, though our college coach has let us know many schools waive those fees to attract the brightest and best.

We are looking at Texas, Alabama, Florida and Georgia.

We want to support those states that support the sanctity of life!

Hope your daughter isn't raped and become pregnant. And then the rapist will claim "paternal" rights to see the kid. Or has a miscarriage. OR a baby who will be born without a brain.

Those are terrible, tragic events. Fortunately, as described by you, pregnancy by rape and babies born without a brain are not common occurrences.

NP - but they DO happen and most of these states are going to make it impossible to obtain an abortion in those situations

Stat: babies by rape POINT 5%

What's them numbers on late term abortions?

Funny how the statistics masturbator neglected to answer this one.

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Anonymous wrote:Fwiw, NC has not banned yet. Neither has VA. NC has a Dem Governor, even

Guess we will see what happens over the next two years.

I think VA is going to swing back, honestly.

Of course, with the Supreme Court on board with this state legislature nonsense, NONE of this matters. Gerrymandered R legislatures Will overturn votes they don’t like in 2024 and the US will have a nationwide ban in 2025.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, why do those numbers matter? Many states are aiming for NO exceptions. And the laws are so poorly written, doctors are afraid of lawsuits and will allow women to die when a quick operation that ends the pregnancy causing problems would have kept the woman alive.

TN is trying to lower its minimum age for marriage back to 15 ( now its 16) so that those PG barely teens can be forced to be barefoot, married and pregnant- just like 15 year olds in Afghanistan

Don't send your daughters to Vanderbilt where she might be surrounded by this type of backwardness during her critical early adulthood

Certainly DO NOT financially give ANYTHING to this State !

Boycott, Divest and pull your kids' College App

Are you *still* nattering on about this?

Seriously, this nutjob needs to give it a rest. Nobody in their right mind is not going to apply to Vanderbilt or any other college because the Supreme Court overturned Roe.

You must not know many families looking at top schools. The vast majority are educated and understand what it means to send their kids to a backwater sh1thole that treats women as second-class citizens.

DP

On the one hand, you aren’t wrong.

Yes, presumably anyone looking at “top schools” is well-educated.

Yes, presumably well-educated people follow the news and have a “sense” (typically based on assumption and stereotypes) of what it means to go to a certain school or a certain state. (The state piece makes me chuckle because the reality is students tend to live on or extremely close to campus and they only experience campus life, not the real local culture; it’s akin to visiting DC for a week and only seeing the touristy things).

But your statement is dripping with arrogance and intellectual elitism fueled by identity politics that compel you to label entire states as backwater shitholes.

Congratulations. You are the stereotypical liberal elitist.

You are entitled to your beliefs. FTR, I’m a lifelong liberal who lives in super blue MoCo and has a social justice advocacy job. I’m very, very pro-choice.

But let’s get real: families like yours were never really considering schools in the south, right? I mean, before the Supreme Court decision came down, many states had already limited abortion by the fact they only had 1 abortion clinic in the state. Was that level of access sufficient for you and your daughter? Was the state a backwater s-hole a month ago or only post-Dobbs?

Just admit that your family had already written off certain states based on whatever measure you use. You probably never set foot in most of those states. You probably don’t have close contacts there who are good people doing good things regardless of their party affiliation or personal beliefs on abortion. You adhere to stereotypes that allowed you to pass judgement on an entire state and it’s people.

If you live in VA, you should know that many liberals similarly judge Virginians in similar fashion. If you are from the dc metro area, you might think that’s unreasonable and unfair. I bet good people living in AL, TN, etc. feel the same way.

Regardless of what your kid does regarding college (a privilege in and of itself), I encourage you to step back and evaluate your role in perpetuating stereotypes, bias, and the identity politics that are literally destroying our democracy.

Our democracy thrives on constructive debate and bipartisan consensus. We must not live in bubbles and pat ourselves on the back for being well-educated good people while throwing rocks at all citizens of certain states (and their colleges) and saying hateful, condescending things. I know you think it helps, but it really doesn’t.

Advocate to change hearts and minds and ultimately laws.

Do not close yourself off and hurl sweeping generalizations and antagonistic slurs. Rigid activists aren’t effective; open-minded, persistent, consensus-building advocates are. You can’t advocate by preaching to the choir in your bubble.

We live in VA and will move out of this sh1thole if the VA GOP attacks women.

If people don't want to be associated with a sh1thole state that treats women like trash then they can also move away. Or elect new officials.

So your only measure of how states treat women is abortion?

As a bleeding heart liberal with a JD whose job entails fighting poverty through law and policy measures at the global, national, state and local levels, your singular measure is baffling to me.

I would never live in VA because of their policies that don’t go far enough to protect women and children.

You know how we Dems love to criticize pro-life R’s for not caring about the baby once it arrives? Seemingly giving zero F’s about child poverty, food insecurity, unaffordable housing, lack of living wages, abysmal and unaffordable healthcare, etc? You are doing that right now from your privileged NoVa bubble. Your (albeit lower) taxes support your state’s policy agenda.

It’s so weird how this issue prompts you to rethink your state, yet you seemingly don’t care about all the women suffering to stay sheltered and fed, etc. in your own state.

I mean, c’mon.

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Anonymous wrote:Ohio is left off this list

Good point. That’s going to be a long list.

So corps would be: proctor and gamble, Krogers, Cleveland health (yikes!).

Colleges include: oberlin, ohio state

If DC parents stop sending kids to Oberlin, that will be quite a bite out of the school’s money.

You honestly don’t think there will be other kids from other states that can close the gap?

Dp. College enrollments are down significantly. Maybe Oberlin can close the gap, but they have always relied on people who can pay, usually out of staters. I am sure they’ll fill the gaps short term but financially they’ll hurt as will the quality of their student body.

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Anonymous wrote:Hahah - enjoy your bus boycott

The Bus boycott was 60 years ago and was successful, btw

But 60 years later we are Corp Lawyers with decades of experience as litigators and we will bring Tennessee to its knees as an Example to all other states that violate our civil rights and make felons of our daughters

Haha. Good luck waging your boycott on the Volunteer State.

Btw, what rights is TN poised to “violate.” Is the Supreme Court no longer the arbiter of the law of the land?

You don't seem to get it- corporate women and female corp lawyers don't need to debate your ilk because you have no influence over TN's economy

We will take our case to the Swedish , Dutch and German corporations- all very socially progressive countries- that the state of Tennessee has chosen to make itself completely financially dependent upon for jobs, investment and tax revenue.

You just don't get it and neither do the 5 SCOTUS " judges" - this isn't 1972 America and corp and state's finances are waaaay more dependent on foreign Investment now and women are now litigators..... legions of litigators.

We are never going back to Women dying of illegal abortions, being denied health care and being sentenced as Felons for exercising self autonomy

Starting with TN and Vanderbilt University and making them the 1st Example of what is going to happen to every Red state

You are nice to explain this. The other poster seems dumb as a rock because they don’t seem to understand foreign investment and why it would hurt TN not to have it. Good Lord.

DP

It’s hilarious that you think foreign investors (or any investors) care about American politics regarding abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, pro-lifers - no matter what you want to believe, this is already in motion and it's far bigger than DCUM. You can't and won't stop this by going on a message board and calling everyone "nutjobs."

Your states *will* and already are losing revenue as will companies based in your states, and that's entirely the fault of you pro-lifers.

Poll after poll shows that this is not the issue to most people you want it to be. It's just not.

It is. Many products and services will suffer the date of my pillow if they don't push back against this insanity. People are very very angry.