Boycott/ Divest and Pull your College App from All States which violate Our Daughters' Civil Rights

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Anonymous wrote:Again, why do those numbers matter? Many states are aiming for NO exceptions. And the laws are so poorly written, doctors are afraid of lawsuits and will allow women to die when a quick operation that ends the pregnancy causing problems would have kept the woman alive.

TN is trying to lower its minimum age for marriage back to 15 ( now its 16) so that those PG barely teens can be forced to be barefoot, married and pregnant- just like 15 year olds in Afghanistan

Don't send your daughters to Vanderbilt where she might be surrounded by this type of backwardness during her critical early adulthood

Certainly DO NOT financially give ANYTHING to this State !

Boycott, Divest and pull your kids' College App

If teens are sexually active, why not let them get married?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are pro life as is our daughter. We have decided to move to a red state where she is accepted to nursing school. We will only have OOS tuition for one year, though our college coach has let us know many schools waive those fees to attract the brightest and best.

We are looking at Texas, Alabama, Florida and Georgia.

We want to support those states that support the sanctity of life!

Hope your daughter isn't raped and become pregnant. And then the rapist will claim "paternal" rights to see the kid. Or has a miscarriage. OR a baby who will be born without a brain.

Those are terrible, tragic events. Fortunately, as described by you, pregnancy by rape and babies born without a brain are not common occurrences.

NP - but they DO happen and most of these states are going to make it impossible to obtain an abortion in those situations

Ok, but let's quit making it sound like those are the primary reasons for abortions. Honesty is important.

What are these primary reasons in your estimation? Please enlighten us.

Rape and incest account for 1-1.5% of all abortions. You can figure out the other reasons. Stop making up lies lies and damn statitistics as if they are true!

This false statistic that keeps getting repeated is based on an entirely false premise. The real percentages are significantly higher. Reporting on the reason why the patient is getting the abortion is not even remotely comprehensive, and where it exists, it's voluntary, so it's at a complete disjoint from the overall totals. So, for the overwhelming majority of abortions, they simply have no data at all on the reason why. Either no questionnaire on why they were getting it, or declined to answer why, which is legitimate given the trauma they are already living through. So they falsely count those non-answers as "abortion of convenience" and in so doing, significantly undercount the actual reasons, including rape and incest cases.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ohio is left off this list

Good point. That’s going to be a long list.

So corps would be: proctor and gamble, Krogers, Cleveland health (yikes!).

Colleges include: oberlin, ohio state

If DC parents stop sending kids to Oberlin, that will be quite a bite out of the school’s money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please stop saying that this only affects college women. It affects college men too.

It does because medicines people need to live are not being distributed to patients. Methotrexate. Some men report they can’t get their prescriptions refilled.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, why do those numbers matter? Many states are aiming for NO exceptions. And the laws are so poorly written, doctors are afraid of lawsuits and will allow women to die when a quick operation that ends the pregnancy causing problems would have kept the woman alive.

TN is trying to lower its minimum age for marriage back to 15 ( now its 16) so that those PG barely teens can be forced to be barefoot, married and pregnant- just like 15 year olds in Afghanistan

Don't send your daughters to Vanderbilt where she might be surrounded by this type of backwardness during her critical early adulthood

Certainly DO NOT financially give ANYTHING to this State !

Boycott, Divest and pull your kids' College App

Are you *still* nattering on about this?

Seriously, this nutjob needs to give it a rest. Nobody in their right mind is not going to apply to Vanderbilt or any other college because the Supreme Court overturned Roe.

You must not know many families looking at top schools. The vast majority are educated and understand what it means to send their kids to a backwater sh1thole that treats women as second-class citizens.

DP

On the one hand, you aren’t wrong.

Yes, presumably anyone looking at “top schools” is well-educated.

Yes, presumably well-educated people follow the news and have a “sense” (typically based on assumption and stereotypes) of what it means to go to a certain school or a certain state. (The state piece makes me chuckle because the reality is students tend to live on or extremely close to campus and they only experience campus life, not the real local culture; it’s akin to visiting DC for a week and only seeing the touristy things).

But your statement is dripping with arrogance and intellectual elitism fueled by identity politics that compel you to label entire states as backwater shitholes.

Congratulations. You are the stereotypical liberal elitist.

You are entitled to your beliefs. FTR, I’m a lifelong liberal who lives in super blue MoCo and has a social justice advocacy job. I’m very, very pro-choice.

But let’s get real: families like yours were never really considering schools in the south, right? I mean, before the Supreme Court decision came down, many states had already limited abortion by the fact they only had 1 abortion clinic in the state. Was that level of access sufficient for you and your daughter? Was the state a backwater s-hole a month ago or only post-Dobbs?

Just admit that your family had already written off certain states based on whatever measure you use. You probably never set foot in most of those states. You probably don’t have close contacts there who are good people doing good things regardless of their party affiliation or personal beliefs on abortion. You adhere to stereotypes that allowed you to pass judgement on an entire state and it’s people.

If you live in VA, you should know that many liberals similarly judge Virginians in similar fashion. If you are from the dc metro area, you might think that’s unreasonable and unfair. I bet good people living in AL, TN, etc. feel the same way.

Regardless of what your kid does regarding college (a privilege in and of itself), I encourage you to step back and evaluate your role in perpetuating stereotypes, bias, and the identity politics that are literally destroying our democracy.

Our democracy thrives on constructive debate and bipartisan consensus. We must not live in bubbles and pat ourselves on the back for being well-educated good people while throwing rocks at all citizens of certain states (and their colleges) and saying hateful, condescending things. I know you think it helps, but it really doesn’t.

Advocate to change hearts and minds and ultimately laws.

Do not close yourself off and hurl sweeping generalizations and antagonistic slurs. Rigid activists aren’t effective; open-minded, persistent, consensus-building advocates are. You can’t advocate by preaching to the choir in your bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:We are pro life as is our daughter. We have decided to move to a red state where she is accepted to nursing school. We will only have OOS tuition for one year, though our college coach has let us know many schools waive those fees to attract the brightest and best.

We are looking at Texas, Alabama, Florida and Georgia.

We want to support those states that support the sanctity of life!

Hope your daughter isn't raped and become pregnant. And then the rapist will claim "paternal" rights to see the kid. Or has a miscarriage. OR a baby who will be born without a brain.

Those are terrible, tragic events. Fortunately, as described by you, pregnancy by rape and babies born without a brain are not common occurrences.

NP - but they DO happen and most of these states are going to make it impossible to obtain an abortion in those situations

Ok, but let's quit making it sound like those are the primary reasons for abortions. Honesty is important.

What are these primary reasons in your estimation? Please enlighten us.

Rape and incest account for 1-1.5% of all abortions. You can figure out the other reasons. Stop making up lies lies and damn statitistics as if they are true!

This false statistic that keeps getting repeated is based on an entirely false premise. The real percentages are significantly higher. Reporting on the reason why the patient is getting the abortion is not even remotely comprehensive, and where it exists, it's voluntary, so it's at a complete disjoint from the overall totals. So, for the overwhelming majority of abortions, they simply have no data at all on the reason why. Either no questionnaire on why they were getting it, or declined to answer why, which is legitimate given the trauma they are already living through. So they falsely count those non-answers as "abortion of convenience" and in so doing, significaintly undercount the actual reasons, including rape and incest cases.

With your rationale that rape and incest are "significantly undercounted," along with your omission of data, one can assume that yiu don't know if the percentages are "significantly higher." You just want people to assume you're correct?

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Anonymous wrote:Again, why do those numbers matter? Many states are aiming for NO exceptions. And the laws are so poorly written, doctors are afraid of lawsuits and will allow women to die when a quick operation that ends the pregnancy causing problems would have kept the woman alive.

TN is trying to lower its minimum age for marriage back to 15 ( now its 16) so that those PG barely teens can be forced to be barefoot, married and pregnant- just like 15 year olds in Afghanistan

Don't send your daughters to Vanderbilt where she might be surrounded by this type of backwardness during her critical early adulthood

Certainly DO NOT financially give ANYTHING to this State !

Boycott, Divest and pull your kids' College App

Are you *still* nattering on about this?

Seriously, this nutjob needs to give it a rest. Nobody in their right mind is not going to apply to Vanderbilt or any other college because the Supreme Court overturned Roe.

You must not know many families looking at top schools. The vast majority are educated and understand what it means to send their kids to a backwater sh1thole that treats women as second-class citizens.

So are supposed to believe the people of whom you are referring were considering a school in Mississippi or Oklahoma for college but now will not be? Sure

True, there aren't a lot of decent schools in red states.

Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Davidson, etc.

UWSTL has always been a sh1thole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Pull your College App?"

Are there a lot of posters here currently applying to college? I thought most DCUM posters were already graduated from college and in their 30's, 40's, 50's...

Oh, wait! Were you telling people to pull their DAUGHTERS' applications? Shouldn't it be the daughter's choice?

Even before the decision, my kid said “no” to the South. Too hot, too backward.

We do have 1-2 Ohio schools on the list, and I wonder if we should keep them or not.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Planning for a daughter’s college abortion is an epic parenting fail.

I agree, but I would assume they know best what their daughtwrs are doing.

Successful people assess and prevent risk well in advance. Ability to asses and prevent risk is a sign of intelligence. Less intelligent, less successful people roll the dice.

And then some people raise children who become young adults of character so they don’t have to play helicopter abortion parent.

Advising your children about a major life and financial decision is not helicopter parenting, it’s good parenting. A kid who is paying for college would be a fool not to consider the fact that these school’s brands are tarnished by association, that there is a chance however slim that they will not get proper medical care, and that the political and cultural environment in those locations is increasingly regressive and authoritarian. These schools ain’t worth it!

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Look, pro-lifers - no matter what you want to believe, this is already in motion and it's far bigger than DCUM. You can't and won't stop this by going on a message board and calling everyone "nutjobs."

Your states *will* and already are losing revenue as will companies based in your states, and that's entirely the fault of you pro-lifers.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, why do those numbers matter? Many states are aiming for NO exceptions. And the laws are so poorly written, doctors are afraid of lawsuits and will allow women to die when a quick operation that ends the pregnancy causing problems would have kept the woman alive.

TN is trying to lower its minimum age for marriage back to 15 ( now its 16) so that those PG barely teens can be forced to be barefoot, married and pregnant- just like 15 year olds in Afghanistan

Don't send your daughters to Vanderbilt where she might be surrounded by this type of backwardness during her critical early adulthood

Certainly DO NOT financially give ANYTHING to this State !

Boycott, Divest and pull your kids' College App

Are you *still* nattering on about this?

Seriously, this nutjob needs to give it a rest. Nobody in their right mind is not going to apply to Vanderbilt or any other college because the Supreme Court overturned Roe.

You must not know many families looking at top schools. The vast majority are educated and understand what it means to send their kids to a backwater sh1thole that treats women as second-class citizens.

DP

On the one hand, you aren’t wrong.

Yes, presumably anyone looking at “top schools” is well-educated.

Yes, presumably well-educated people follow the news and have a “sense” (typically based on assumption and stereotypes) of what it means to go to a certain school or a certain state. (The state piece makes me chuckle because the reality is students tend to live on or extremely close to campus and they only experience campus life, not the real local culture; it’s akin to visiting DC for a week and only seeing the touristy things).

But your statement is dripping with arrogance and intellectual elitism fueled by identity politics that compel you to label entire states as backwater shitholes.

Congratulations. You are the stereotypical liberal elitist.

You are entitled to your beliefs. FTR, I’m a lifelong liberal who lives in super blue MoCo and has a social justice advocacy job. I’m very, very pro-choice.

But let’s get real: families like yours were never really considering schools in the south, right? I mean, before the Supreme Court decision came down, many states had already limited abortion by the fact they only had 1 abortion clinic in the state. Was that level of access sufficient for you and your daughter? Was the state a backwater s-hole a month ago or only post-Dobbs?

Just admit that your family had already written off certain states based on whatever measure you use. You probably never set foot in most of those states. You probably don’t have close contacts there who are good people doing good things regardless of their party affiliation or personal beliefs on abortion. You adhere to stereotypes that allowed you to pass judgement on an entire state and it’s people.

If you live in VA, you should know that many liberals similarly judge Virginians in similar fashion. If you are from the dc metro area, you might think that’s unreasonable and unfair. I bet good people living in AL, TN, etc. feel the same way.

Regardless of what your kid does regarding college (a privilege in and of itself), I encourage you to step back and evaluate your role in perpetuating stereotypes, bias, and the identity politics that are literally destroying our democracy.

Our democracy thrives on constructive debate and bipartisan consensus. We must not live in bubbles and pat ourselves on the back for being well-educated good people while throwing rocks at all citizens of certain states (and their colleges) and saying hateful, condescending things. I know you think it helps, but it really doesn’t.

Advocate to change hearts and minds and ultimately laws.

Do not close yourself off and hurl sweeping generalizations and antagonistic slurs. Rigid activists aren’t effective; open-minded, persistent, consensus-building advocates are. You can’t advocate by preaching to the choir in your bubble.

+1 Thank you for this post!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DH and I are both University of Notre Dame graduates as was my FIL. It’s in Indiana and very backward on women’s rights. Neither of our kids are allowed to even apply or accept recruitment.

I have been throwing out all of the Catholic school literature. One school gave our kids a big scholarship. We won’t be using it. They seem desperate for students, and I bet the scholarship is a discount designed to fill seats. No way.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, why do those numbers matter? Many states are aiming for NO exceptions. And the laws are so poorly written, doctors are afraid of lawsuits and will allow women to die when a quick operation that ends the pregnancy causing problems would have kept the woman alive.

TN is trying to lower its minimum age for marriage back to 15 ( now its 16) so that those PG barely teens can be forced to be barefoot, married and pregnant- just like 15 year olds in Afghanistan

Don't send your daughters to Vanderbilt where she might be surrounded by this type of backwardness during her critical early adulthood

Certainly DO NOT financially give ANYTHING to this State !

Boycott, Divest and pull your kids' College App

Are you *still* nattering on about this?

Seriously, this nutjob needs to give it a rest. Nobody in their right mind is not going to apply to Vanderbilt or any other college because the Supreme Court overturned Roe.

You must not know many families looking at top schools. The vast majority are educated and understand what it means to send their kids to a backwater sh1thole that treats women as second-class citizens.

DP

On the one hand, you aren’t wrong.

Yes, presumably anyone looking at “top schools” is well-educated.

Yes, presumably well-educated people follow the news and have a “sense” (typically based on assumption and stereotypes) of what it means to go to a certain school or a certain state. (The state piece makes me chuckle because the reality is students tend to live on or extremely close to campus and they only experience campus life, not the real local culture; it’s akin to visiting DC for a week and only seeing the touristy things).

But your statement is dripping with arrogance and intellectual elitism fueled by identity politics that compel you to label entire states as backwater shitholes.

Congratulations. You are the stereotypical liberal elitist.

You are entitled to your beliefs. FTR, I’m a lifelong liberal who lives in super blue MoCo and has a social justice advocacy job. I’m very, very pro-choice.

But let’s get real: families like yours were never really considering schools in the south, right? I mean, before the Supreme Court decision came down, many states had already limited abortion by the fact they only had 1 abortion clinic in the state. Was that level of access sufficient for you and your daughter? Was the state a backwater s-hole a month ago or only post-Dobbs?

Just admit that your family had already written off certain states based on whatever measure you use. You probably never set foot in most of those states. You probably don’t have close contacts there who are good people doing good things regardless of their party affiliation or personal beliefs on abortion. You adhere to stereotypes that allowed you to pass judgement on an entire state and it’s people.

If you live in VA, you should know that many liberals similarly judge Virginians in similar fashion. If you are from the dc metro area, you might think that’s unreasonable and unfair. I bet good people living in AL, TN, etc. feel the same way.

Regardless of what your kid does regarding college (a privilege in and of itself), I encourage you to step back and evaluate your role in perpetuating stereotypes, bias, and the identity politics that are literally destroying our democracy.

Our democracy thrives on constructive debate and bipartisan consensus. We must not live in bubbles and pat ourselves on the back for being well-educated good people while throwing rocks at all citizens of certain states (and their colleges) and saying hateful, condescending things. I know you think it helps, but it really doesn’t.

Advocate to change hearts and minds and ultimately laws.

Do not close yourself off and hurl sweeping generalizations and antagonistic slurs. Rigid activists aren’t effective; open-minded, persistent, consensus-building advocates are. You can’t advocate by preaching to the choir in your bubble.

We live in VA and will move out of this sh1thole if the VA GOP attacks women.

If people don't want to be associated with a sh1thole state that treats women like trash then they can also move away. Or elect new officials.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ohio is left off this list

Good point. That’s going to be a long list.

So corps would be: proctor and gamble, Krogers, Cleveland health (yikes!).

Colleges include: oberlin, ohio state

If DC parents stop sending kids to Oberlin, that will be quite a bite out of the school’s money.

You honestly don’t think there will be other kids from other states that can close the gap?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are pro life as is our daughter. We have decided to move to a red state where she is accepted to nursing school. We will only have OOS tuition for one year, though our college coach has let us know many schools waive those fees to attract the brightest and best.

We are looking at Texas, Alabama, Florida and Georgia.

We want to support those states that support the sanctity of life!

Hope your daughter isn't raped and become pregnant. And then the rapist will claim "paternal" rights to see the kid. Or has a miscarriage. OR a baby who will be born without a brain.

Those are terrible, tragic events. Fortunately, as described by you, pregnancy by rape and babies born without a brain are not common occurrences.

NP - but they DO happen and most of these states are going to make it impossible to obtain an abortion in those situations

Ok, but let's quit making it sound like those are the primary reasons for abortions. Honesty is important.

What are these primary reasons in your estimation? Please enlighten us.

Rape and incest account for 1-1.5% of all abortions. You can figure out the other reasons. Stop making up lies lies and damn statitistics as if they are true!

This false statistic that keeps getting repeated is based on an entirely false premise. The real percentages are significantly higher. Reporting on the reason why the patient is getting the abortion is not even remotely comprehensive, and where it exists, it's voluntary, so it's at a complete disjoint from the overall totals. So, for the overwhelming majority of abortions, they simply have no data at all on the reason why. Either no questionnaire on why they were getting it, or declined to answer why, which is legitimate given the trauma they are already living through. So they falsely count those non-answers as "abortion of convenience" and in so doing, significaintly undercount the actual reasons, including rape and incest cases.

With your rationale that rape and incest are "significantly undercounted," along with your omission of data, one can assume that yiu don't know if the percentages are "significantly higher." You just want people to assume you're correct?

Yet you wanted people to assume your completely faulty 0.5% statistic was correct and not be questioned on it, didn't you. Your 0.5% premise is no more valid.

We don't know what the real statistic is. But whatever it is, it's guaranteed to be higher, as we know pregnancies resulting from rape are significantly higher than 0.5% and we know that rapes and other forms of nonconsentual sex are undercounted.