Lockdown at Blair?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I was at Blair 30 yes ago, we had two security guards. Maybe they were SROs — I don’t know. Really huge Black guys that looked like football players but wore red Blazers polo shirts. Everyone liked them and they were visible in hallways. They knew the kids and what was going on in the school. I think they did provide some sense of security for students.

This, when I went to another school. They's stop us and question us if we weren't where we should be but it had nothing to do with race and them doing their jobs. One day I was sick and the nurse couldn't get ahold of my parents and I knew my parents would call the school later so I just left and went home. They saw me walking out so they stopped and questioned me. They had no issue with it, walked me out part way to make sure I was ok and my parent called later.

What one is seeing as harassing students may be the staff doing their job. I was technically skipping school. They didn't know me as I wasn't one to stand out good or bad so it was the right thing to do.

I'd want an SRO or security guard stepping in if my child was misbehaving or not where they should be. I don't care if they give them a lecture, "dad" look or what ever if its the right thing to do.

I don't get parents who don't want others to discipline their kids and yet, they aren't willing to do it themselves.

Sorry, are you suggesting kids alleging harassment by SROs (mostly students of color) are troublemakers whoseparents don't discipline them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Unfortunately, there are bad cops. Doesn't mean we should get rid of all cops. Also, if your son was threatened by someone with a knife, would you call a cop or not because he freezes up if a cop comes near him?

It definitely means we should get rid of bad cops, but it is apparently nearly impossible to do that. As the saying goes, "One bad apple spoils the whole barrel."

As for calling the cops for help - you may or may not be aware that many people who called the cops for help instead received harm from the cops who are sworn to serve and protect.

No, "many" people are not hurt by cops. Keep talking like that and people stop calling the police. In 2019, the last normal year, there were over 211,000 times police were dispatched for service. Out of those, there were 50 complaints about use of force. 50.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Unfortunately, there are bad cops. Doesn't mean we should get rid of all cops. Also, if your son was threatened by someone with a knife, would you call a cop or not because he freezes up if a cop comes near him?

It definitely means we should get rid of bad cops, but it is apparently nearly impossible to do that. As the saying goes, "One bad apple spoils the whole barrel."

As for calling the cops for help - you may or may not be aware that many people who called the cops for help instead received harm from the cops who are sworn to serve and protect.

No, "many" people are not hurt by cops. Keep talking like that and people stop calling the police. In 2019, the last normal year, there were over 211,000 times police were dispatched for service. Out of those, there were 50 complaints about use of force. 50.

I've seen 50 videos of people being beaten by Police unjustly easily within the past year or two not including George Floyd so I find this implausible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Unfortunately, there are bad cops. Doesn't mean we should get rid of all cops. Also, if your son was threatened by someone with a knife, would you call a cop or not because he freezes up if a cop comes near him?

It definitely means we should get rid of bad cops, but it is apparently nearly impossible to do that. As the saying goes, "One bad apple spoils the whole barrel."

As for calling the cops for help - you may or may not be aware that many people who called the cops for help instead received harm from the cops who are sworn to serve and protect.

No, "many" people are not hurt by cops. Keep talking like that and people stop calling the police. In 2019, the last normal year, there were over 211,000 times police were dispatched for service. Out of those, there were 50 complaints about use of force. 50.

+1 I want to know if that ^PP would call the cops or not if someone was threatening their family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Unfortunately, there are bad cops. Doesn't mean we should get rid of all cops. Also, if your son was threatened by someone with a knife, would you call a cop or not because he freezes up if a cop comes near him?

It definitely means we should get rid of bad cops, but it is apparently nearly impossible to do that. As the saying goes, "One bad apple spoils the whole barrel."

As for calling the cops for help - you may or may not be aware that many people who called the cops for help instead received harm from the cops who are sworn to serve and protect.

No, "many" people are not hurt by cops. Keep talking like that and people stop calling the police. In 2019, the last normal year, there were over 211,000 times police were dispatched for service. Out of those, there were 50 complaints about use of force. 50.

I've seen 50 videos of people being beaten by Police unjustly easily within the past year or two not including George Floyd so I find this implausible.

ok, so you would never call the cops for any reason?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I was at Blair 30 yes ago, we had two security guards. Maybe they were SROs — I don’t know. Really huge Black guys that looked like football players but wore red Blazers polo shirts. Everyone liked them and they were visible in hallways. They knew the kids and what was going on in the school. I think they did provide some sense of security for students.

When I was a kid here in the 80s, we didn't have anything like this. Sure, there was an incident once in a while but nothing major, but kids did pull the fire alarm to get out of class almost weekly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Unfortunately, there are bad cops. Doesn't mean we should get rid of all cops. Also, if your son was threatened by someone with a knife, would you call a cop or not because he freezes up if a cop comes near him?

It definitely means we should get rid of bad cops, but it is apparently nearly impossible to do that. As the saying goes, "One bad apple spoils the whole barrel."

As for calling the cops for help - you may or may not be aware that many people who called the cops for help instead received harm from the cops who are sworn to serve and protect.

No, "many" people are not hurt by cops. Keep talking like that and people stop calling the police. In 2019, the last normal year, there were over 211,000 times police were dispatched for service. Out of those, there were 50 complaints about use of force. 50.

I've seen 50 videos of people being beaten by Police unjustly easily within the past year or two not including George Floyd so I find this implausible.

ok, so you would never call the cops for any reason?

I've never had to, but once one showed up 20 seconds after I was robbed and yelled at me instead of going after the robber.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
But an SRO ON campus can see what's going on to the lead up to the incident better than a cop outside the school grounds. But, like I said, if they are patrolling around the school, why can't they be patrolling IN the school, or at least in the parking lot where some of these incidents occurred?

This is a recipe for harassing students of color. Who do you think they were watching closely? One SRO cannot closely watch 3,000 students. They use shortcuts, like that youth with indigenous last names are probably gang members (see upthread), to decide where to focus.

If that's the case, then wouldn't the cops patrolling around the schools be harrassing students of color as they are getting to school, after school? Why have cops around schools at all? Or in your neighborhood, for that matter.

They do that too, in my experience. In the upcounty, not around Blair.

So, don't have any cops around schools. I bet if there was a school shooting you'd be happy for a cop close by the school; or you would be the first to complain that cops did not respond fast enough.

Same for your neighborhood. When I was younger, my house got broken into while my sister was home alone. If a cop was around, that intruder wouldn't have thought to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Unfortunately, there are bad cops. Doesn't mean we should get rid of all cops. Also, if your son was threatened by someone with a knife, would you call a cop or not because he freezes up if a cop comes near him?

It definitely means we should get rid of bad cops, but it is apparently nearly impossible to do that. As the saying goes, "One bad apple spoils the whole barrel."

As for calling the cops for help - you may or may not be aware that many people who called the cops for help instead received harm from the cops who are sworn to serve and protect.

No, "many" people are not hurt by cops. Keep talking like that and people stop calling the police. In 2019, the last normal year, there were over 211,000 times police were dispatched for service. Out of those, there were 50 complaints about use of force. 50.

I've seen 50 videos of people being beaten by Police unjustly easily within the past year or two not including George Floyd so I find this implausible.

ok, so you would never call the cops for any reason?

I've never had to, but once one showed up 20 seconds after I was robbed and yelled at me instead of going after the robber.

Not me. My interaction with the cops the few times were positive. Does my experience negate yours?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Unfortunately, there are bad cops. Doesn't mean we should get rid of all cops. Also, if your son was threatened by someone with a knife, would you call a cop or not because he freezes up if a cop comes near him?

It definitely means we should get rid of bad cops, but it is apparently nearly impossible to do that. As the saying goes, "One bad apple spoils the whole barrel."

As for calling the cops for help - you may or may not be aware that many people who called the cops for help instead received harm from the cops who are sworn to serve and protect.

No, "many" people are not hurt by cops. Keep talking like that and people stop calling the police. In 2019, the last normal year, there were over 211,000 times police were dispatched for service. Out of those, there were 50 complaints about use of force. 50.

I've seen 50 videos of people being beaten by Police unjustly easily within the past year or two not including George Floyd so I find this implausible.

ok, so you would never call the cops for any reason?

I've never had to, but once one showed up 20 seconds after I was robbed and yelled at me instead of going after the robber.

So, if you ever get robbed again, or someone is threatening you, will you not call the cops for fear that they may yell at you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Unfortunately, there are bad cops. Doesn't mean we should get rid of all cops. Also, if your son was threatened by someone with a knife, would you call a cop or not because he freezes up if a cop comes near him?

It definitely means we should get rid of bad cops, but it is apparently nearly impossible to do that. As the saying goes, "One bad apple spoils the whole barrel."

As for calling the cops for help - you may or may not be aware that many people who called the cops for help instead received harm from the cops who are sworn to serve and protect.

No, "many" people are not hurt by cops. Keep talking like that and people stop calling the police. In 2019, the last normal year, there were over 211,000 times police were dispatched for service. Out of those, there were 50 complaints about use of force. 50.

Where did you get the 50 number? From the county's internal affairs dataset it appears there are typically between 400-500 complaints of misconduct by MCPD officers per year, of which about 20 are coded as "use of force". From the most recent Use of Force report, in 2019, there were 211,000 calls for service and 550 use of force reports generated.

FYI, when people get harassed by police, they don't always call up the police and say hey, I was harassed.

[Anonymous]

48 assaults on MCPS since school started: https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2021/11/police-report-to-48-assaults-in-montgomery-county-schools-in-first-months-of-school/
Elrich is such a moron. Why the hell would they remove SROs knowing that MCPS hasn't hired enough mental health workers yet. Pathetic how the he and council members are absolving themselves from this and are trying to point at mcps inability to hire counselors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Unfortunately, there are bad cops. Doesn't mean we should get rid of all cops. Also, if your son was threatened by someone with a knife, would you call a cop or not because he freezes up if a cop comes near him?

It definitely means we should get rid of bad cops, but it is apparently nearly impossible to do that. As the saying goes, "One bad apple spoils the whole barrel."

As for calling the cops for help - you may or may not be aware that many people who called the cops for help instead received harm from the cops who are sworn to serve and protect.

No, "many" people are not hurt by cops. Keep talking like that and people stop calling the police. In 2019, the last normal year, there were over 211,000 times police were dispatched for service. Out of those, there were 50 complaints about use of force. 50.

I've seen 50 videos of people being beaten by Police unjustly easily within the past year or two not including George Floyd so I find this implausible.

Wait, you’re forming your opinion based on random videos you’ve seen online? Sure, that seems like a good way to make policy decisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
But an SRO ON campus can see what's going on to the lead up to the incident better than a cop outside the school grounds. But, like I said, if they are patrolling around the school, why can't they be patrolling IN the school, or at least in the parking lot where some of these incidents occurred?

This is a recipe for harassing students of color. Who do you think they were watching closely? One SRO cannot closely watch 3,000 students. They use shortcuts, like that youth with indigenous last names are probably gang members (see upthread), to decide where to focus.

To take the Blair example, it's 23.9% white, so 76.1% of students are POC. Yes, they will question POC students -- they are the vast majority. If they picked a student at random the focus on, chances are that student will be POC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
But an SRO ON campus can see what's going on to the lead up to the incident better than a cop outside the school grounds. But, like I said, if they are patrolling around the school, why can't they be patrolling IN the school, or at least in the parking lot where some of these incidents occurred?

This is a recipe for harassing students of color. Who do you think they were watching closely? One SRO cannot closely watch 3,000 students. They use shortcuts, like that youth with indigenous last names are probably gang members (see upthread), to decide where to focus.

To take the Blair example, it's 23.9% white, so 76.1% of students are POC. Yes, they will question POC students -- they are the vast majority. If they picked a student at random the focus on, chances are that student will be POC.

Couple of years ago the students at Blair, had students leave class without a note and took note on how the kids were treated buy staff. Whether they were just told to hurry up and get to class or if they received a punishment. Wasn’t very scientific but every white kid was told to hurry up to class. The rest of the kids it was a mix summer told hurry up and get to class others were given a punishment