LCPS sexual assualt - who is held accountable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bathroom doors with locks seem LESS safe. That way someone could lock themselves in with a victim and it would be difficult to get to them. Not to mention the drug use and consensual sex possibilities. There is a reason that public bathrooms don't have locks..

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The bathroom at my kids' high school has one of those zig zag entrances without a door.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasnt it a boy who was arrested for allegedly forcibly sodomizing a girl in a girl's bathroom at the high school on May 28th?

What am I not understanding here? I'm confused

Yes, but what do doors have to do with that?

doors? no idea.

Until LCPS explains what it's going to do to keep girls safe when using the restroom, particularly cis gendered girls, I would remove my daughter from that school system.

I have seen video coverage of statements by officials, but nothing about adding security in the bathrooms, or reviewing bathroom policy. Really, I saw nothing thus far offered by officials except they are asking the legislature to change the law so that AFTER an alleged sexual assault occurs, the student can be removed right away pending the investigation. Rather than merely sending the student off to a different school.

I have a 14 yo at a LCPS school and she's not worried about her bathroom safety and neither am I.

If a kid brings a weapon to school, they are automatically expelled from ALL schools in the county. It should be the same course of action for someone who is accused of a sexual assault. That's right... accused. As soon as the accusation is made, the kid should be kicked out of school and their parents should be forced to find alternative schooling for them.

My neighbor's soon went through a rough patch after losing his best friend when they were both 12 and then losing two family members back-to-back. He really acted out in school due to not processing his grief. It got to the point where my neighbor had to go in for a meeting at the LCPS building in Ashburn with several bigwigs about him. Their decision was made that he had to finish the school year through a remote program and pending a behavior evaluation that summer, he could possible return to a LCPS facility for 9th grade. This just happened about 5 years ago, so clearly the ability to have a student finish the year remotely through some type of program is possible.

Good thing you aren't in policy-making.....what happens if someone doesn't like your kid and makes up some bogus allegation? Doesn't matter - your kid is gone. Goodbye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out? So sorry.

[Anonymous]

f a kid brings a weapon to school, they are automatically expelled from ALL schools in the county. It should be the same course of action for someone who is accused of a sexual assault. That's right... accused. As soon as the accusation is made, the kid should be kicked out of school and their parents should be forced to find alternative schooling for them.

My neighbor's soon went through a rough patch after losing his best friend when they were both 12 and then losing two family members back-to-back. He really acted out in school due to not processing his grief. It got to the point where my neighbor had to go in for a meeting at the LCPS building in Ashburn with several bigwigs about him. Their decision was made that he had to finish the school year through a remote program and pending a behavior evaluation that summer, he could possible return to a LCPS facility for 9th grade. This just happened about 5 years ago, so clearly the ability to have a student finish the year remotely through some type of program is possible.


Good thing you aren't in policy-making.....what happens if someone doesn't like your kid and makes up some bogus allegation? Doesn't matter - your kid is gone. Goodbye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out? So sorry.

Agree. But, that doesn't mean there are not other ways to address it. For one, law enforcement should always be called. I think part of the problem with this was the time lapse before a decision was made. Did it take that long for evidence that something had happened. There was evidence from the hospital--how long did that take.

I would have thought that some action, considering the circumstances, could have been determined within days. The only thing in question was whether it was consensual, I guess. This was at the end of May. It would have been logical to keep the kid out of school for the rest of the year. Maybe, even both kids.
But, certainly, something could have been determined prior to start of school in August. The kid was charged by then. There was enough reason to bring charges, there were enough reasons to keep him out of school--or certainly have him monitored at all times while in school.

But, no, you cannot have blanket rule that ANY accusation results in expulsion.

[Anonymous]

There's a bill in VA that was passed in 2015 requiring higher ed institutions to identify sexual assaults on transfer transcripts so that known offenders can't transfer to another college and resume their behavior there. I'm not sure that's feasible in secondary education but something comparable should be passed.

https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?151+sum+SB1193

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The supe is an idiot with a fake online "doctorate" (Ed.D.) from a degree mill who demands everyone calls him doctor.

"Dr. Scott A. Ziegler holds a Doctor of Education degree in Educational Leadership from Northwest Nazarene University, a Certificate of Advanced Graduate Study in Education Leadership from Cambridge College, and a master’s degree in secondary education and a bachelor’s degree in history from Eastern Nazarene College. He lives in western Loudoun County."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The supe is an idiot with a fake online "doctorate" (Ed.D.) from a degree mill who demands everyone calls him doctor.

"Dr. Scott A. Ziegler holds a Doctor of Education degree in Educational Leadership from Northwest Nazarene University, a Certificate of Advanced Graduate Study in Education Leadership from Cambridge College, and a master’s degree in secondary education and a bachelor’s degree in history from Eastern Nazarene College. He lives in western Loudoun County."

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LOL. Zero Hedge?

Getting desperate.

[Anonymous]

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What, if anything, will be done to prevent this from happening

1. Report to the police. (Appears to have been done in this case. But, was this because the dad insisted or not? He said the school wanted to handle it 'in house.")
2. Report to the parents.
3. If it is an alleged rape, then a medical exam is required with the appropriate tests.

Now comes the hard part. What to do if the attack is "questionable." In this instance, it seems to me that there was enough evidence (the results of the rape test) to indicate that the "attacker" should have been removed from school. So far, so good.

My question is why it took so long to bring him to trial. That falls on the prosecution.

But, given that trial had not happened, what should the school have done?
Alternative school seems logical.
Homebound school? possibly
In this case, it seems that he could have been enrolled in Virginia virtual.

Certainly, though, the school he was transferred to should have been told and proper supervision should have been in place It apparently was not. Did the school know he was awaiting trial? Did he have a monitor?

I guess we "believe all women" unless her dad is a plumber.

+1 M.. Where were the teachers? As a former teacher in a private school, I was REQUIRED to enter the restrooms. (Male teachers -male restroom & female teacher- female restroom. If a male/female teacher heard something unusual, or even fooling around, we yelled in. "What is going on? If you are done come out, or I am coming in". Usually the bathroom emptied, before the same sex teacher arrived.

How can a Superintendent "apologize" & think that is enough? Disgraceful.

No reason for a trans person can not use a private bathroom. If you are afraid that all men are rapists, why would you be for a trans female using a male bathroom? That would seem problematic as well.

Finally, I actually will NOT shop in Target, unless it is absolutely necessary since they started their policy. It is not a trans person I am afraid of- whatever makes you happy is ok with me, as long as you don't bother me. BUT I KNOW there are predators, and crazy evil people, who may pose as transgender to access the ladies room.

[Anonymous]

Uh I don’t know what weird crap goes on in private school but teachers are not in the bathrooms with kids in public school. It is an incredibly private and vulnerable environment for rhem, adults should NOT be in there. You all hate trans kids so much you’re willing to take this incident (which doesn’t even involve a trans kid) to the extreme of firing a superintendent who has been capable in many ways (only to leave the entire school district without a leader in a very difficult year with a school board in flux) and require adults who are MORE LIKELY to victimize young kids in the bathroom with children. Like use your damn brains, come on. You do not want grown adults in the bathroom with your kids, you really don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Uh I don’t know what weird crap goes on in private school but teachers are not in the bathrooms with kids in public school. It is an incredibly private and vulnerable environment for rhem, adults should NOT be in there. You all hate trans kids so much you’re willing to take this incident (which doesn’t even involve a trans kid) to the extreme of firing a superintendent who has been capable in many ways (only to leave the entire school district without a leader in a very difficult year with a school board in flux) and require adults who are MORE LIKELY to victimize young kids in the bathroom with children. Like use your damn brains, come on. You do not want grown adults in the bathroom with your kids, you really don’t.

I would like security in girl's bathrooms, where the majority of crimes occur. I want responsible adults everywhere in my kids school. A female police inside the girls bathroom after such an incident occurs for a year is appropriate

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Anonymous wrote:Can we please also stop referring to the boy as "transgender" or "gender fluid" - he isn't.

Why? What do you call a boy who wears a skirt and chooses to use the girls bathroom?

Well, I call a trans girl who uses the girls bathroom a girl.

I call a boy who wears a skirt (which hasn't been confirmed yet via the police report) and rapes girls a rapist.

I'm sure you can find different labels, but you can be pro trans and anti rape. I know it's a lot for your little brain to handle.

I can be pro-trans and want them to use a private bathroom.

How about if a male rapes a female, pass a law that he can no longer use the girls bathroom even if trans. I know it would never happen but just in case

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Uh I don’t know what weird crap goes on in private school but teachers are not in the bathrooms with kids in public school. It is an incredibly private and vulnerable environment for rhem, adults should NOT be in there. You all hate trans kids so much you’re willing to take this incident (which doesn’t even involve a trans kid) to the extreme of firing a superintendent who has been capable in many ways (only to leave the entire school district without a leader in a very difficult year with a school board in flux) and require adults who are MORE LIKELY to victimize young kids in the bathroom with children. Like use your damn brains, come on. You do not want grown adults in the bathroom with your kids, you really don’t.

I would like security in girl's bathrooms, where the majority of crimes occur. I want responsible adults everywhere in my kids school. A female police inside the girls bathroom after such an incident occurs for a year is appropriate

So you want your kids spending their formative years in a prison. Ok.

[Anonymous]

So let me get this straight. From the same crowd....One rape by a boy who may have maybe worn a skirt = immediate need for tons of policy changes, security and mass resignation. But multiple school shootings around the nation and calls for actions = stop politicizing tragedy.

Just want to make sure I have it clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. From the same crowd....One rape by a boy who may have maybe worn a skirt = immediate need for tons of policy changes, security and mass resignation. But multiple school shootings around the nation and calls for actions = stop politicizing tragedy.

Just want to make sure I have it clear.

I suspect that there are far more sexual assaults in schools than we know. They just don't get the attention that school shooting does.

What do you mean by "politicizing?" Demanding accountability? Please remember, that in Parkland, there were PLENTY of red flags which should have prevented that event. Particularly in the school system. I know there were demands for accountability, but I cannot recall if those demands were met.

Certainly, the event at Stone Bridge should not have allowed the one at Broad Run.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Uh I don’t know what weird crap goes on in private school but teachers are not in the bathrooms with kids in public school. It is an incredibly private and vulnerable environment for rhem, adults should NOT be in there. You all hate trans kids so much you’re willing to take this incident (which doesn’t even involve a trans kid) to the extreme of firing a superintendent who has been capable in many ways (only to leave the entire school district without a leader in a very difficult year with a school board in flux) and require adults who are MORE LIKELY to victimize young kids in the bathroom with children. Like use your damn brains, come on. You do not want grown adults in the bathroom with your kids, you really don’t.

When my kids went back to school last year (covid precautions), they had a monitor outside the bathrooms and only one kid could go in a time. No adult has to actually be inside the bathroom).