LCPS sexual assualt - who is held accountable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:As I and other posters have repeatedly pointed out, the two sexual assaults being discussed in this thread do not involve transgender students. The repeated posts about transgender issues are distracting from the main topic of discussion. Due to these repeated disruptions, I am going to start removing all posts addressing transgender topics. Feel free to start a thread to discuss those topics, but do no do it in this thread.

Why? The “cover up” is directly due to the transgender bathroom debate. The problem is not with transgender students using the bathroom but with the fact that any male can claim that they are transgender and use the bathroom. By removing any posts referencing transgender issues you are suppressing the debate on exactly how liberal these bathroom policies are. If a boy enters the girls bathroom and a girl feels uncomfortable she may not feel comfortable raising this with the administration lest the boy claim that he is transgender (even if he isn’t) and she is labeled anti-trans. The new bathroom policy effectively desegregates bathrooms. Girl bathrooms are no longer female safe spaces. Any boy can now enter and just claim that he is transgender.

You don't know that AT all. Sexual assaults/raps are covered up every single day by educational institutions. The cover up is not unusual.

Not even cover up by the poor handling. Welcome to the world of sex crimes and being a woman

Sorry meant to day "but the poor handling"

[Anonymous]

How does Ziegler sleep at night after lying on record? Disappointingly his cover up has enabled a sexual predator perpetrate an assault that was preventable. Does the law book define this as accessory and/or accomplice?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:How does Ziegler sleep at night after lying on record? Disappointingly his cover up has enabled a sexual predator perpetrate an assault that was preventable. Does the law book define this as accessory and/or accomplice?

This makes no sense. Again, there was no cover-up. The police investigation had not been completed at the time of the board meeting, no charges had been filed, and LCPS was prevented by federal law from disciplining the student. Ziegler was asked if there had been "discipline incidents in the bathrooms" and, since LCPS could not discipline the student at that time, there had not been. The student's release was ordered by a judge and also required by law. It was obviously a mistake to send the student to another school without better monitoring, but LCPS seems to recognize that and will prevent it in the future.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
What do you believe IS the topic of this thread then? I thought it's about a rape of a girl in a bathroom and what's going to be done about it ("accountability" - See title).

Can you please restate exactly what you are asking? Your initial question was whether all schools have bathrooms with locking doors. That is an overly-broad and confusing question. As for what is being done, I posted the policy.

That wasn't me. I missed that post too

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does Ziegler sleep at night after lying on record? Disappointingly his cover up has enabled a sexual predator perpetrate an assault that was preventable. Does the law book define this as accessory and/or accomplice?

This makes no sense. Again, there was no cover-up. The police investigation had not been completed at the time of the board meeting, no charges had been filed, and LCPS was prevented by federal law from disciplining the student. Ziegler was asked if there had been "discipline incidents in the bathrooms" and, since LCPS could not discipline the student at that time, there had not been. The student's release was ordered by a judge and also required by law. It was obviously a mistake to send the student to another school without better monitoring, but LCPS seems to recognize that and will prevent it in the future.

That's not quite right....the school board member asked.... "...Do we have assaults, in our bathrooms, in our locker rooms?...." And he replied "...To my knowledge, we do not have any records of assualts occuring in our restrooms..."

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/teen-accused-of-sexual-assaults-in-2-virginia-high-schools/2831314/?amp

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does Ziegler sleep at night after lying on record? Disappointingly his cover up has enabled a sexual predator perpetrate an assault that was preventable. Does the law book define this as accessory and/or accomplice?

This makes no sense. Again, there was no cover-up. The police investigation had not been completed at the time of the board meeting, no charges had been filed, and LCPS was prevented by federal law from disciplining the student. Ziegler was asked if there had been "discipline incidents in the bathrooms" and, since LCPS could not discipline the student at that time, there had not been. The student's release was ordered by a judge and also required by law. It was obviously a mistake to send the student to another school without better monitoring, but LCPS seems to recognize that and will prevent it in the future.

That's not quite right....the school board member asked.... "...Do we have assaults, in our bathrooms, in our locker rooms?...." And he replied "...To my knowledge, we do not have any records of assualts occuring in our restrooms..."

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/teen-accused-of-sexual-assaults-in-2-virginia-high-schools/2831314/?amp

I was going by the quote in this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/loudoun-virginia-school-assault-apology/2021/10/15/10853e8e-2ddc-11ec-8ef6-3ca8fe943a92_story.html

But I now see from multiple sources that the the quote that you have is accurate. In the Post article, Ziegler says he misunderstood the question though, frankly, I don't really buy that. Strictly speaking, they would have had a record of an alleged assault at that point, rather than an assault. Also, it is still not clear if Ziegler knew about the Stone Bridge incident.

The point remains that even if the Stone Bridge attack has been disclosed, the board still was required by law to pass a policy.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does Ziegler sleep at night after lying on record? Disappointingly his cover up has enabled a sexual predator perpetrate an assault that was preventable. Does the law book define this as accessory and/or accomplice?

This makes no sense. Again, there was no cover-up. The police investigation had not been completed at the time of the board meeting, no charges had been filed, and LCPS was prevented by federal law from disciplining the student. Ziegler was asked if there had been "discipline incidents in the bathrooms" and, since LCPS could not discipline the student at that time, there had not been. The student's release was ordered by a judge and also required by law. It was obviously a mistake to send the student to another school without better monitoring, but LCPS seems to recognize that and will prevent it in the future.

That's not quite right....the school board member asked.... "...Do we have assaults, in our bathrooms, in our locker rooms?...." And he replied "...To my knowledge, we do not have any records of assualts occuring in our restrooms..."

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/teen-accused-of-sexual-assaults-in-2-virginia-high-schools/2831314/?amp

I was going by the quote in this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/loudoun-virginia-school-assault-apology/2021/10/15/10853e8e-2ddc-11ec-8ef6-3ca8fe943a92_story.html

But I now see from multiple sources that the the quote that you have is accurate. In the Post article, Ziegler says he misunderstood the question though, frankly, I don't really buy that. Strictly speaking, they would have had a record of an alleged assault at that point, rather than an assault. Also, it is still not clear if Ziegler knew about the Stone Bridge incident.

The point remains that even if the Stone Bridge attack has been disclosed, the board still was required by law to pass a policy.

I agree with you in that I'm not buying what he's selling. He's in CYA mode now. As to if Ziegler knew about the Stone Bridge incident, doesn't policy require the Superintendents to be notified?

[Anonymous]

Zeigler said on video he is calling upon the legislature to keep alleged perps out of school. To prevent them obviously from committing further assaults.

But to prevent a 1st rape or other assault, something must be done. Bathroom security I think would be highly effective.

Also, the VDOE policy says students must have access to bathrooms corresponding to their gender identity. Perhaps there could be female bathrooms, and cis female bathrooms? Giving students more choices

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does Ziegler sleep at night after lying on record? Disappointingly his cover up has enabled a sexual predator perpetrate an assault that was preventable. Does the law book define this as accessory and/or accomplice?

This makes no sense. Again, there was no cover-up. The police investigation had not been completed at the time of the board meeting, no charges had been filed, and LCPS was prevented by federal law from disciplining the student. Ziegler was asked if there had been "discipline incidents in the bathrooms" and, since LCPS could not discipline the student at that time, there had not been. The student's release was ordered by a judge and also required by law. It was obviously a mistake to send the student to another school without better monitoring, but LCPS seems to recognize that and will prevent it in the future.

That's not quite right....the school board member asked.... "...Do we have assaults, in our bathrooms, in our locker rooms?...." And he replied "...To my knowledge, we do not have any records of assualts occuring in our restrooms..."

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/teen-accused-of-sexual-assaults-in-2-virginia-high-schools/2831314/?amp

I was going by the quote in this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/loudoun-virginia-school-assault-apology/2021/10/15/10853e8e-2ddc-11ec-8ef6-3ca8fe943a92_story.html

But I now see from multiple sources that the the quote that you have is accurate. In the Post article, Ziegler says he misunderstood the question though, frankly, I don't really buy that. Strictly speaking, they would have had a record of an alleged assault at that point, rather than an assault. Also, it is still not clear if Ziegler knew about the Stone Bridge incident.

The point remains that even if the Stone Bridge attack has been disclosed, the board still was required by law to pass a policy.

I agree with you in that I'm not buying what he's selling. He's in CYA mode now. As to if Ziegler knew about the Stone Bridge incident, doesn't policy require the Superintendents to be notified?

Of course he knew. Cops get called to a high school and people think the superintendent didn't know? No chance. He was clearly lying at the time and his "misunderstanding" the question is a bogus persuasion move politicians use of the time. If he really had a Title IX issue that prevented him from saying something, the answer is "Title IX would not allow me to release that information in this forum."

[Anonymous]

To be fair, Ziegler never said he had no knowledge of bathroom assaults, only that he had no knowledge of “records” of those assaults….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, in a discussion about accountability for an assault that happened in a BATHROOM, you won't allow a question about whether all students have access to private locked bathroom at every school? How is that off topic?

I know where my sister is a teacher, the only private bathrooms with locks are 1-a unisex bathroom off the teacher's lounge and 2-a unisex bathroom in the nurses office.

All other bathrooms have locking stall doors, but the bathroom door cannot be locked without a special key.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasnt it a boy who was arrested for allegedly forcibly sodomizing a girl in a girl's bathroom at the high school on May 28th?

What am I not understanding here? I'm confused

Yes, but what do doors have to do with that?

doors? no idea.

Until LCPS explains what it's going to do to keep girls safe when using the restroom, particularly cis gendered girls, I would remove my daughter from that school system.

I have seen video coverage of statements by officials, but nothing about adding security in the bathrooms, or reviewing bathroom policy. Really, I saw nothing thus far offered by officials except they are asking the legislature to change the law so that AFTER an alleged sexual assault occurs, the student can be removed right away pending the investigation. Rather than merely sending the student off to a different school.

I have a 14 yo at a LCPS school and she's not worried about her bathroom safety and neither am I.

If a kid brings a weapon to school, they are automatically expelled from ALL schools in the county. It should be the same course of action for someone who is accused of a sexual assault. That's right... accused. As soon as the accusation is made, the kid should be kicked out of school and their parents should be forced to find alternative schooling for them.

My neighbor's soon went through a rough patch after losing his best friend when they were both 12 and then losing two family members back-to-back. He really acted out in school due to not processing his grief. It got to the point where my neighbor had to go in for a meeting at the LCPS building in Ashburn with several bigwigs about him. Their decision was made that he had to finish the school year through a remote program and pending a behavior evaluation that summer, he could possible return to a LCPS facility for 9th grade. This just happened about 5 years ago, so clearly the ability to have a student finish the year remotely through some type of program is possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Zeigler said on video he is calling upon the legislature to keep alleged perps out of school. To prevent them obviously from committing further assaults.

But to prevent a 1st rape or other assault, something must be done. Bathroom security I think would be highly effective.

Also, the VDOE policy says students must have access to bathrooms corresponding to their gender identity. Perhaps there could be female bathrooms, and cis female bathrooms? Giving students more choices

The thought of this makes my teen daughter at a LCPS uncomfortable.

Even when the schools were having issues due to that dumb TikTok challenge, they've never had a bathroom monitor at hers. The bathrooms were locked between classes and unlocked during certain class changes and at lunchtime. Even then, no teacher monitored.

[Anonymous]

Bathroom doors with locks seem LESS safe. That way someone could lock themselves in with a victim and it would be difficult to get to them. Not to mention the drug use and consensual sex possibilities. There is a reason that public bathrooms don't have locks..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bathroom doors with locks seem LESS safe. That way someone could lock themselves in with a victim and it would be difficult to get to them. Not to mention the drug use and consensual sex possibilities. There is a reason that public bathrooms don't have locks..

I should note though that our ES has two individual bathrooms with locks. They are near the gym and "nicer" I think they are generally for visitors to the school