Josh Duggar arrested and in federal custody

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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused about why the thread almost immediately turned to trashing the wife/mother rather than the guy just indicted for CP under 12.

This! Pull yourselves together, people.

She chose to stay and keep having children with this pervert even after the sister molestation story came out.

You do not understand what she grew up in. You don’t.

Excuses, excuses.

Jill and Jinger grew up in the same cult.

PROTECT YOUR DAMN KIDS.

In the same cult but not the same family. YOu do not know what Anna experienced in her life. And Even though Jinger and Jill are wearing pants and trying different hairstyles I wouldn't put them on a pedestal just yet.

What the others did is not about "pants" and "hairstyles." It's about rejecting the total submission of women (a key tenet of their screwy "faith"), engaging with the outside world, in one case putting kids in evil, evil public school (as they were taught all their lives) and making these decisions knowing they would no longer be welcomed to spend time with their younger siblings, who they love and I'm quite sure they miss.

But no pedestal here. Just clapping back against the ridiculous assertion that "she grew up in a cult, what else could she doooooo?" but continue to keep her kids in a house (and even create new ones!) with a known, admitted child molester who also possesses child porn.

They're still doing what their husbands want, it's just more socially acceptable to you. They were more thane being linked with Them until the money trained dried up. Keep stanning thoug.

"Stanning?" Are you 14?

I am noooooo fan of the Duggars, any of them. I was responding to the people ignorantly bleating ad nauseum that the wife had NO OTHER CHOICE because she was "raised in a cult." She had other choices. We know this because two of the other Duggar kids, also raised in a cult, made that choice. So just stop.

A has been pointed out to you repeatedly just as many people have stayed in the cult and you can't compare 2 of his sister to Anna whose background we know nothing about. Leaving a cult is not as easy as you make it seem .. So how about you stop your 14 year old black and white thinking and listen to people who know what they're talking about and develop some nuance in your thinking.

Aww, you’re cute. As has been repeated to you multiple times, neither I nor anyone else said it was EASY. We said it was not IMPOSSIBLE, as so many apologists claim. See Exhibits A and B.

Run along now. The adults are talking.

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In an incredibly twisted/awful way, this may be the best thing to happen to his kids. Maybe somehow they will finally have a chance to get away from the cult, through CPS involvement or otherwise.

I hope I’m not a terrible person for thinking this. Josh is disgusting and I blame his parents for enabling his continued bad behavior.

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He is very sick. I'm most angry with Jim Bob and Michelle who failed all their kids, including him, and at fundamental Christianity in general.

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Anonymous wrote:In an incredibly twisted/awful way, this may be the best thing to happen to his kids. Maybe somehow they will finally have a chance to get away from the cult, through CPS involvement or otherwise.

I hope I’m not a terrible person for thinking this. Josh is disgusting and I blame his parents for enabling his continued bad behavior.

While I get what you are saying, can we please blame the adult who is committing this horrible crime. Yes, his parents seem horrible. Yes, his wife is questionable. But...josh is the real monster. He has had every opportunity to get help and apparently hasn’t. If he was abused (which I expect), I have some sympathy but he still is an adult and is responsible for getting help and not repeating his past.

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Anonymous wrote:In an incredibly twisted/awful way, this may be the best thing to happen to his kids. Maybe somehow they will finally have a chance to get away from the cult, through CPS involvement or otherwise.

I hope I’m not a terrible person for thinking this. Josh is disgusting and I blame his parents for enabling his continued bad behavior.

While I get what you are saying, can we please blame the adult who is committing this horrible crime. Yes, his parents seem horrible. Yes, his wife is questionable. But...josh is the real monster. He has had every opportunity to get help and apparently hasn’t. If he was abused (which I expect), I have some sympathy but he still is an adult and is responsible for getting help and not repeating his past.

I’m the PP and I totally agree, Josh is entirely to blame for his despicable behavior. However, his parents completely dropped the ball when he was growing up for not taking any real action on the sister issue.

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Anonymous wrote:He is very sick. I'm most angry with Jim Bob and Michelle who failed all their kids, including him, and at fundamental Christianity in general.

I wonder how messed up the other kids are.

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https://apple.news/AJkZnuDlYTK-4l_M36krGgw

Knowing this, maybe his wife will finally leave.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at Anna’s IG (which I can’t believe is still viewable) I think the children are unharmed. They really do look like happy kids and have sparkles in their eyes. I like to think they have been unharmed...and I hope someone steps in to raise them out of the spotlight and AWAY FROM ALL THINGS DUGGAR

I look at pictures of myself from 8-14. You would never think “This is a child who is being sexually assaulted.”

[Anonymous]

From Reddit: LONG post about why Anna stays

I know this is long but it’s worth the read! (Author credit at bottom)

Why has Anna Duggar stayed with Josh and continued to have children with a confirmed child molester? My thoughts as a Duggar cult insider......

The Duggar family is the poster family for a homeschool, patriarchal, fundamentalist cult called the Advanced Training Institute (ATI) created by a man named Bill Gothard (BG). My family was involved with ATI during the same years that the Duggar family was and I used to hang out with the Duggar daughters in our small social circles.

I made my escape from ATI in 2015 after I came to the realization that I had been sexually groomed by BG as a minor. I soon joined a lawsuit against BG with 18 fellow victims with similar allegations and to this day I have been shunned by the community due to speaking out.

Let me explain some of the very specific teachings of ATI in hopes that you will understand exactly why the Duggar family has handled the Josh situation they way they have, and why Anna has continued to stay by his side and continued to birth his children.

The word “abuse” does not exist in ATI. When I came forward that I had been sexually molested as a child by my own father, it was not called abuse within my ATI circles, it was called being “inappropriate”. ATI followers are told that the way secular, professional therapists and the way the government handles abuse is bad. They are taught that sexual abuse is, more than anything, a sin, and therefore it must be handled within the church. Licensed professional therapist are considered dangerous, and so you are only allowed to seek Christian counseling. This is why when Josh first told his parents as a teenager that he was molesting his younger sisters, he was sent away to an ATI camp as therapy. Abuse is always dealt within the system.

ATI followers are taught to be thankful for abuse. I was told by Bill Gothard himself when he found out that I had been molested by my father that I needed to write my father letter THANKING him for molesting me, because it had made me spiritually stronger. Emotional, sexual, physical abuse are considered badges of honor within the system. There is no such thing as depression, anxiety, trauma response, or PTSD, and if you are dealing with symptoms of any of those then you are told you are not trusting God. This is what the Duggar daughters would have been taught regarding the abuse they experienced from their brother.

ATI followers are taught something called “The Power of Spoken Blessing”. If you are being abused by someone, you are not to confront them or seek help, but you are to pray a prayer that God would bless that person with the attributes they are missing. Example: “God please bless this person with patience, and kindness.” Again, most of the responsibility in dealing with abuse situations is placed on the victim.

ATI followers are taught that homeschooling is the only Godly way to educate your children. You are taught that public schools are dangerous and evil and that if you send your children to public school they will reject God. If Anna Duggar were to separate or divorce from her child-molesting husband, she would have to face the reality of putting her children in a public school while she went to work. This is unimaginably terrifying for an ATI woman, for she is taught this will destroy her children’s lives.

ATI women are taught that their calling in life by God is to be a stay at home mom and homemaker. ATI women are taught that if they seek higher education, or seek any employment outside of the home, they will be open to spiritual attacks from Satan, and will more than likely be raped by a random attacker or one of their children might die. Women are told they must live in a home under the authority of a man. Single women must live in heir father’s home until the authority has been “transferred” to their husband in a marriage ceremony. If Anna Duggar were to divorce and then live in her own home without the presence of an older male to protect her, she has been taught she would be open to attacks from Satan, and God might allow her to be raped, or murdered by an intruder as punishment for being out of submission of male authority. Yes, ATI women are literally taught that living under the authority of a male will offer them guaranteed divine protection. (That’s an exact quote from ATI material).

ATI followers are taught birth control is a sin. They are taught that “God opens and closes the womb”, and that preventing a pregnancy in ANY way, shape, or form, is not trusting God. This means, couples are not even allowed to consider natural family planning, for choosing to abstain from sex when the female is most fertile would mean you are not trusting God. Why has Anna continued to have children with Josh? Because she has been taught to believe she LITERALLY does not have a choice.

Speaking of sex, ATI women are taught that it is a sin to refuse your husband sex. They are taught that men have an uncontrollable sex drive, and that if a woman was to deny their husband at any time, this could cause their husband to “stumble” and possibly have an affair, or develop a porn addiction. Women are taught they are at fault for their husband cheating on them because it wouldn’t have happened it they had given him enough sex (and of course the man gets to decide what ‘enough’ looks like).

ATI followers are taught to practice shunning. When you are a part of ATI, you live in a bubble. You are taught that the outside world is dangerous and that you shouldn’t form relationships with anyone that does not conform to the same belief system taught by ATI. You are also taught not have any kind of relationship with people who have “gone astray”, and have left the belief system, INCLUDING FAMILY. If Anna Duggar were to leave, she would have no one to help her. She has no life outside of the fundamentalist word. She would not just be walking away from a marriage, she would be walking away from her entire community, her entire life, her entire culture. The system is designed to keep you in the bubble out of fear.

So there you are. Why has Anna Duggar stayed? Because she been programmed to believe she doesn't have the choice to leave. Why have the Duggar's continued to whitewash Josh’s actions? Because they have been taught that what he did was “inappropriate” and “a mistake” but nonetheless redeemable by God. They have been taught to deal with Josh’s problems privately, within ATI churches, and we all know how horrible the church is at properly handling abuse.

Anna Duggar does not need your condemnation right now. She does not need criticism for staying with Josh. She should not be told that she’s getting what she asked for because she choose to stay. She is a victim of a system designed to trap women. She needs our support. She needs our love. She needs brave people coming forward and telling her they will do whatever it takes to help her get out.

Please share this post. It’s time the world understand that the Duggar’s lifestyle of “old fashioned family values” is not one to be admired. It is a dangerous cult, that harbors and protect abusers and blames and shames victims.

~ Emily Elizabeth Anderson

[Anonymous]

I was reading more about what, if anything had been done after he molested his sisters and found this gem.

Upon returning home, Josh "apologized" to the female minors and they had "forgiven" him. In the report, one of the interviewed victims says that Josh "sought after God and had turned back to God." Josh was also taken to talk to Joseph Hutchens, an Arkansas State Trooper and friend of the family. Hutchens gave Josh "a very stern talk", but, despite being a mandated reporter, took no further action. Hutchens was later arrested and convicted of child pornography, and is serving a fifty-six year prison sentence.

https://fundamentalists.fandom.com/wiki/Josh_Duggar_Molestation_Scandal

So much failure on so many levels.

[Anonymous]

PP EXACTLY.

I’m sick with the people who say “she had a choice to leave”...even with her brother, she didn’t have a choice. She’s been so brainwashed.

She’s a grown woman, yes, but she’s seriously disturbed due to her upbringing. People are being so cruel about HER and it makes me sad!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was reading more about what, if anything had been done after he molested his sisters and found this gem.

Upon returning home, Josh "apologized" to the female minors and they had "forgiven" him. In the report, one of the interviewed victims says that Josh "sought after God and had turned back to God." Josh was also taken to talk to Joseph Hutchens, an Arkansas State Trooper and friend of the family. Hutchens gave Josh "a very stern talk", but, despite being a mandated reporter, took no further action. Hutchens was later arrested and convicted of child pornography, and is serving a fifty-six year prison sentence.

https://fundamentalists.fandom.com/wiki/Josh_Duggar_Molestation_Scandal

So much failure on so many levels.

If this is the community Anna was raised in why are people surprised she didn’t do anything? Why would she think turning to an authority, church or secular, would matter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP EXACTLY.

I’m sick with the people who say “she had a choice to leave”...even with her brother, she didn’t have a choice. She’s been so brainwashed.

She’s a grown woman, yes, but she’s seriously disturbed due to her upbringing. People are being so cruel about HER and it makes me sad!

If she is so impaired that she is unable to protect her children, she should not have custody.

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Anonymous wrote:PP EXACTLY.

I’m sick with the people who say “she had a choice to leave”...even with her brother, she didn’t have a choice. She’s been so brainwashed.

She’s a grown woman, yes, but she’s seriously disturbed due to her upbringing. People are being so cruel about HER and it makes me sad!

If she is so impaired that she is unable to protect her children, she should not have custody.

That’s probably true, that she needs to go through some childcare education to be fit for motherhood. But it’s not like sending her kids to foster care will protect them from abuse.

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Anonymous wrote:PP EXACTLY.

I’m sick with the people who say “she had a choice to leave”...even with her brother, she didn’t have a choice. She’s been so brainwashed.

She’s a grown woman, yes, but she’s seriously disturbed due to her upbringing. People are being so cruel about HER and it makes me sad!

If she is so impaired that she is unable to protect her children, she should not have custody.

Why do you think it’s so easy to take children away from their mothers????