How to stop other travellers eat your food supplies?

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I don't follow the racist thing and it's the second time now this thread. Is someone trying to say it's racist to make generalizations about WASPS? Are they being facetious?

Just replace JEW or BLACK where they say WASP. Racist? Of course it is.

I don’t think any Jews would be offended if someone complained about how messy latkes are. Same with fried okra or other soul food.

I dont think anyone was saying WASP food was messy, doubt anyone would care. More like they were saying WASPs are stingy and awful. I'm sure a Jewish person or person of any ethnic heritage would be offended to be called that.

My ancestors (dad's side) are scots Presbyterians who have been kicking around in America since before the revolutionary war.

I'll take one for the team: calling WASPs stingy /= to calling Jews stingy

What measurable harm have WASPs suffered from a cultural stereotype that they are stingy? So little as to not be measurable-people may make jokes, maybe individual non-WASPs don't care for WASPs.
What measurable harm have Jews suffered from a cultural stereotype that they are stingy? Jews have been persecuted throughout time and place, pushed into professions involving money, and then despised, expelled, murdered because of those stereotypes.

Regardless, it's still not okay. People really need to stop showing their ass and making disgusting, disparaging stereotypes about large groups of people. It's 2020 people. Not a good look.

I am the OP of this question and this is where I was leading. It seems the fact alone that we are aknowleging different types of white people by using the term WASP (aside from the obvious fact whites aren't oppressed) makes it not racist.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I don't follow the racist thing and it's the second time now this thread. Is someone trying to say it's racist to make generalizations about WASPS? Are they being facetious?

Just replace JEW or BLACK where they say WASP. Racist? Of course it is.

I don’t think any Jews would be offended if someone complained about how messy latkes are. Same with fried okra or other soul food.

I dont think anyone was saying WASP food was messy, doubt anyone would care. More like they were saying WASPs are stingy and awful. I'm sure a Jewish person or person of any ethnic heritage would be offended to be called that.

Dude. Keep up. People were saying frying bacon was smelly and messy. People said that’s racist! Hence the comparison to latkes.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I don't follow the racist thing and it's the second time now this thread. Is someone trying to say it's racist to make generalizations about WASPS? Are they being facetious?

Just replace JEW or BLACK where they say WASP. Racist? Of course it is.

I don’t think any Jews would be offended if someone complained about how messy latkes are. Same with fried okra or other soul food.

I dont think anyone was saying WASP food was messy, doubt anyone would care. More like they were saying WASPs are stingy and awful. I'm sure a Jewish person or person of any ethnic heritage would be offended to be called that.

My ancestors (dad's side) are scots Presbyterians who have been kicking around in America since before the revolutionary war.

I'll take one for the team: calling WASPs stingy /= to calling Jews stingy

What measurable harm have WASPs suffered from a cultural stereotype that they are stingy? So little as to not be measurable-people may make jokes, maybe individual non-WASPs don't care for WASPs.
What measurable harm have Jews suffered from a cultural stereotype that they are stingy? Jews have been persecuted throughout time and place, pushed into professions involving money, and then despised, expelled, murdered because of those stereotypes.

Regardless, it's still not okay. People really need to stop showing their ass and making disgusting, disparaging stereotypes about large groups of people. It's 2020 people. Not a good look.

I am the OP of this question and this is where I was leading. It seems the fact alone that we are aknowleging different types of white people by using the term WASP (aside from the obvious fact whites aren't oppressed) makes it not racist.

It only seems that way to crazy people. My God this board attracts social oddballs. It's really bizarre

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I'd be happy to donate a few extra boxes of pancake mix so you can feed the other kids. You can make the pancakes the night before and reheat them in the microwave or oven. Or, bring a waffle maker and reheat the waffles in the oven/toaster.

LOL it's so true. We should start a gofundme so OP can scrape together the $10 required for her to be a good guest. I'm feeling generous so I'll pitch in 10 cents which should put a nice dent in things

I don't like the idea of standing at the stove making breakfast for that long, while the other parents don't offer to help, but that is just me. It's my vacation.

OP, it seems the other parents are angling to make you the bad guy for not wanting to "serve them", this is a terrible dynamic that you have set up by not speaking up.

Don't vacation with people who can't take care of their own kids.

Most of us are thinking it doesn’t take a whole lot of effort to cook a few extra slices of bacon when you’re already cooking it. Nor does it take any effort on the OPs part for the teenagers to help themselves to the cereal box. She claims it’s not about money, it’s about serving others during her vacation. But most of us can see through that lame argument. What, 10 extra seconds to put 5 more slices of bacon on the cooking sheet? And unless she is serving it like it’s a five course meal, it is no effort. The kids come grab a slice off the plate with all the bacon. Easy.

I think on the OP is annoyed about having to cook an extra batch of bacon for the kids. I bet the entire time she’s opening up a second package and frying up the bacon she’s getting resentful that she can’t sit down to eat her food... For people used to cooking for 3, doing twice or three times as much work feels like a lot.

Meanwhile, the other parents are rolling their eyes at OP’s gross smelling heart attack and hoping they don’t have to deal with it every day. The kids asking for a serving is a welcome relief so everyone can get it out of their system that day.

Regardless of whether resentment is building, there is where you would hope that an adult would have the life skills not to work themselves into a tizzy over having a child ask them for food, or having to cook a bit extra. This is where therapy, medication, or just acceptance of basic social graces helps.

Then why don't the other parents do their job and step in?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I'd be happy to donate a few extra boxes of pancake mix so you can feed the other kids. You can make the pancakes the night before and reheat them in the microwave or oven. Or, bring a waffle maker and reheat the waffles in the oven/toaster.

LOL it's so true. We should start a gofundme so OP can scrape together the $10 required for her to be a good guest. I'm feeling generous so I'll pitch in 10 cents which should put a nice dent in things

I don't like the idea of standing at the stove making breakfast for that long, while the other parents don't offer to help, but that is just me. It's my vacation.

OP, it seems the other parents are angling to make you the bad guy for not wanting to "serve them", this is a terrible dynamic that you have set up by not speaking up.

Don't vacation with people who can't take care of their own kids.

Most of us are thinking it doesn’t take a whole lot of effort to cook a few extra slices of bacon when you’re already cooking it. Nor does it take any effort on the OPs part for the teenagers to help themselves to the cereal box. She claims it’s not about money, it’s about serving others during her vacation. But most of us can see through that lame argument. What, 10 extra seconds to put 5 more slices of bacon on the cooking sheet? And unless she is serving it like it’s a five course meal, it is no effort. The kids come grab a slice off the plate with all the bacon. Easy.

I think on the OP is annoyed about having to cook an extra batch of bacon for the kids. I bet the entire time she’s opening up a second package and frying up the bacon she’s getting resentful that she can’t sit down to eat her food... For people used to cooking for 3, doing twice or three times as much work feels like a lot.

Meanwhile, the other parents are rolling their eyes at OP’s gross smelling heart attack and hoping they don’t have to deal with it every day. The kids asking for a serving is a welcome relief so everyone can get it out of their system that day.

Regardless of whether resentment is building, there is where you would hope that an adult would have the life skills not to work themselves into a tizzy over having a child ask them for food, or having to cook a bit extra. This is where therapy, medication, or just acceptance of basic social graces helps.

Then why don't the other parents do their job and step in?

How is that relevant to OP?

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I don't follow the racist thing and it's the second time now this thread. Is someone trying to say it's racist to make generalizations about WASPS? Are they being facetious?

Just replace JEW or BLACK where they say WASP. Racist? Of course it is.

I don’t think any Jews would be offended if someone complained about how messy latkes are. Same with fried okra or other soul food.

I dont think anyone was saying WASP food was messy, doubt anyone would care. More like they were saying WASPs are stingy and awful. I'm sure a Jewish person or person of any ethnic heritage would be offended to be called that.

Dude. Keep up. People were saying frying bacon was smelly and messy. People said that’s racist! Hence the comparison to latkes.

Latkes aren't as smelly as bacon or as messy or you are not cleaning as you go when you make latkes.

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This thread is bizarre.

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Well personally I'd like to keep it going until OP return from forest so we can get an update.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is the BEST argument for my policy of only traveling with my DH and kids. Thank you!

It seems like that would be the best policy for OP as well. She comes off as too uptight to have a good time with anyway.

We go to Delaware every year with 3 other families. Eight adults and seven kids. It's a communal effort to feed everyone. But, honestly, it's no more effort to pour cereal for my two kids or all of the kids at the same time. Grilling steaks for 8 people or making a big pot of pasta with meat sauce for the group isn't much more work than just feeding my own family. People make trips to the grocery store/liquor store/CVS/Wal-Mart as needed throughout the week, and we sort it all out at the end of the week. And if I'm about to take my kids to the ice cream shop on the corner, I'll take any other kids who are around as well (who may be the kids from the house next door). It's just weird to me that someone would rent a house with other families, and expect everyone to only eat their own food. It also seems really inefficient.

I've seen a few threads on here where people seem to have weird issues with sharing food, even with supposedly close friends. That kind of strikes me as a WASP issue, based on my experiences growing up. I grew up in a neighborhood with lots of white ethnic people, many of them immigrants. Food was always shared with guests, neighbors, kids passing through, and whoever else happened to be in the house at the time. For some reason, the more WASPy people had a more formal approach to food and eating with people outside of the family.

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This is crazy. I am a WASP and no one in my family would ever THINK of denying food to anyone. In fact, it's a WASP thing to argue over the check every time and insist on paying- this always happens at the end of all my family or friend dinners. We are a bit more formal in general, so yeah- my family would probably raise eyebrows if, say, my grandmother had her maid passing around hors d'oeuvres and someone stood up and grabbed a bunch. WASP culture is just more formal because it derives from English culture aka stiff upper lip and cultural stuff like that. It's not like Italy which is very informal and everything served family style. But never in a million years would anyone in my family think of only packing food for themselves and leaving everyone else out. It's so gauche.

Educate yourself before speaking.

Nah. Wasps are all about the alcohol and no food receptions. It is so sad! Their parties are thumbs down.

You're not invited to the good ones so you wouldn't know.

Oh yes, I just love WASP food. There are so many notable restaurants that serve WASP cuisine...said no one ever. Face it, PP, WASPs just aren’t known for their food.

-WASP on one side, Italian on the other.

No but we're known for other things. I happen to love the caviar and other hors d'oeuvres that get served at my family parties. We usually pay for someone to come and cook anyway, so it's great stuff. Sorry, like I said, you dont get invited to the real thing. Oh well. Closed doors, I guess.

Other hors d’oeuvres like Triscuits, you mean? Mmm, sooo classy. Guess you need something to sop up all the booze. You only think your little WASP parties are great because you’re so blitzed you can’t remember them in the morning.

Oops, someone's childhood trauma is popping up strongly again! Sorry no one wanted to invite you to the caviar or catered parties- though surely at this point in your life you've been excluded enough that you understand why?!

No, darling, I *am* a WASP, albeit one that can see the flaws in our “culture”. Our food is shit, we have to borrow from other cultures and have other people cook it. And you need another insult than “you weren’t invited to the good parties” if you want to get under my skin. It’s not true, so it doesn’t sting a jot.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I don't follow the racist thing and it's the second time now this thread. Is someone trying to say it's racist to make generalizations about WASPS? Are they being facetious?

Just replace JEW or BLACK where they say WASP. Racist? Of course it is.

I don’t think any Jews would be offended if someone complained about how messy latkes are. Same with fried okra or other soul food.

I dont think anyone was saying WASP food was messy, doubt anyone would care. More like they were saying WASPs are stingy and awful. I'm sure a Jewish person or person of any ethnic heritage would be offended to be called that.

Dude. Keep up. People were saying frying bacon was smelly and messy. People said that’s racist! Hence the comparison to latkes.

Latkes aren't as smelly as bacon or as messy or you are not cleaning as you go when you make latkes.

Of course they are!

Unless you’re simply reheating something frozen from Trader Joe’s.

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***We need an update from the forest! How was breakfast, OP? What exactly did little Johny eat? Was bacon served? Did anyone dare to serve doughnuts?***

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In honor of OP and this thread I bought a ton of bacon, pancake mix, bagels, fruit, yogurts, etc for our weekend with friends. No one in this house shall go hungry! OP you’re crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many literary reference to the abstemious nature of food culture in the British Isles including distrust of rich food, strict portion control, not expressing too much enjoyment of food, not askiing for or offering additional food. In my Irish-American family, I was trained never to ask for food and to always leave a small amount of the food (no matter how small the portion) on my plate out of politeness. It was wild to eat with Italian or Jewish friends and constantly be offered more, expected to eat a large amount, and expected to say how good the food was.

That’s an interesting observation. Growing up in Toronto in the 80’s (before its food culture became more cosmopolitan), restaurants were all indoors, with no patio eating, and they all had dark windows
so you couldn’t see what was going on inside. For some reason, being seen eating was considered slightly shameful.

I think it goes back to the more austere Protestant culture that used to be dominant in the northern US and Canada. Definitely a different take on communal dining compared to white ethnic, black, Hispanic, Asian etc. cultures.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I don't follow the racist thing and it's the second time now this thread. Is someone trying to say it's racist to make generalizations about WASPS? Are they being facetious?

Just replace JEW or BLACK where they say WASP. Racist? Of course it is.

Sharing observations about some customs of different ethnic groups isn’t racist or bigoted. For example, weddings involving Jews of European ancestry tend to be closer to WASP events in atmosphere, than weddings among Middle-Eastern Jews (which remind me more of Italian or Serbian weddings). Different ethnic groups celebrate differently, and have differing relationships with food.

Historically in this country, WASP events were the standard, and the other ethnic and racial groups used to be looked at disapprovingly for the way they held celebrations.

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I have read every page of this thread (I was the one indicating that it had potential). How did we get to racism?
1. I don't want to cook a lot/extra
2. That's WASP? In xyz culture we cook tons.

Is that how we got here? There are also WASP families that cook tons. And don't drink like fish!

Can we get back to solutions?
How about packing a case of candy bars and when kids ask for your breakfast just give them a candy bar. Candy > breakfast food to all kids, their parents aren't helping, and it's easily packed.

But then YOUR kids will want candy too. Dilemma....