It's the Economy Stoopid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We can’t elect Biden. We saw what happened to the economy during the 8 years when he was VP. Not good. If Trump gets 4 more years he can rebuild the economy we had before the lockdown from the virus. We can’t elect Biden and erase all that progress Trump made.

Not enough WTFs for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today's stock market is brought to you by 1) Mitch McConnell and a Senate that adjourned after rushing a SCOTUS pick through without taking up any sort of COVID relief and 2) Donald Trump and his *amazing* administration that has dealt with COVID so effectively that they proclaim it to be "over" while the US reaches daily new record infections and many regions at hospital capacity.

Doesn't matter. McConnell will be reelected. Can't they find a strong candidate to run against this worthless tool?

If I move to Kentucky can I run against him? Is there anyone who would even be willing to do this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can’t elect Biden. We saw what happened to the economy during the 8 years when he was VP. Not good. If Trump gets 4 more years he can rebuild the economy we had before the lockdown from the virus. We can’t elect Biden and erase all that progress Trump made.

Not enough WTFs for this.

Word. WTAF doesn’t quite cut it either.

[Anonymous]

We can’t elect Biden. We saw what happened to the economy during the 8 years when he was VP. Not good. If Trump gets 4 more years he can rebuild the economy we had before the lockdown from the virus. We can’t elect Biden and erase all that progress Trump made.

Ridiculousness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can’t elect Biden. We saw what happened to the economy during the 8 years when he was VP. Not good. If Trump gets 4 more years he can rebuild the economy we had before the lockdown from the virus. We can’t elect Biden and erase all that progress Trump made.

Not enough WTFs for this.

Word. WTAF doesn’t quite cut it either.

Oh clearly we need to keep these current guy in charge instead of the guy before him.

[Anonymous]

And yet, Trump and all of the "GOP" here keep talking about the GDP and the job growth during the Obama Administration to be a disaster, anemic and an embarrassment.

Yet...

[Anonymous]

OMG, PP did you even look at any economic data during Obama/Biden and Trump/Pence presidencies? Or do you just take FoxNews word for it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can’t elect Biden. We saw what happened to the economy during the 8 years when he was VP. Not good. If Trump gets 4 more years he can rebuild the economy we had before the lockdown from the virus. We can’t elect Biden and erase all that progress Trump made.

Not enough WTFs for this.

Word. WTAF doesn’t quite cut it either.

Oh clearly we need to keep these current guy in charge instead of the guy before him.

Ah yes the slow climb up from the hole of the 2009-2013 era. That was fun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well I agree there is a pandemic. But to shout about there being one is a very different matter than calling one out and realizing there's not a huge amount of options to take to mitigate it except for all of us to do our part in social distancing/wearing a mask to negate risk of spreading. I mean shutting everything down is not an answer, pandemic or not. Life has to be lived. If we shut everything down, pandemic or not, we essentially stop living in a way that gives us any pleasure/practicality. I mean what would be the point of just existing to not see anyone and not do anything?

From an economic perspective, while I feel badly for people who are impacted negatively by loss of job, etc. - I do think that the answer is not to help them by way of throwing money at them. I mean when is that gonna end? And honestly, although it'll help in the short-term, what people need is a way to land on their feet again by way of work. How about instead of throwing money, we look at a major national federalized effort to assist them secure a new job. As in teaching - we all need teachers for public schools in this country. To teach elementary, you just need an undergrad degree. I've been unemployed. You take temp jobs. There are some people that wallow about having no means to support themselves and they only search for the same kind of job that doesn't really exist or in the same industry they got downsized in - so maybe look at job hunting with more sense?? I mean maybe you don't get a full-time role, look for a part-time role. People just want to stay within their comfort zone and sometimes, they truly don't know better. We should look to help these people to know better.

The only industries directly impacted are hospitality/travel/retail. The stock market is currently down only because of the election uncertainty. It shouldn't be this high anyway but there's not a lot of impact on tech, financial, consumer goods, healthcare, insurance, etc. You can go into customer service in any of the latter industries mentioned if you have a background from the former. The bottom line is that as a country, I don't think the US is in a state of shambles economically from pandemic. I get that there are a lot of people hurting who we should help but not by providing unemployment that will truly impact the long-term US health by going into more debt and not by shutting down the economy as a whole. Life has to go on. We help one another but we don't just throw money at them.

The way to get the economy on track is to deal with the virus. the way to deal with the virus is 1) to encourage testing and tracing 2) encourage social distancing 3) have everyone wear a mask. If everyone did 2 and 3 while 1 was fully implemented, we would be well on our way. How is it Korea, Vietnam, Japan, New Zealand and a host of other countries were able to manage this and get their economies re-opened while the US continues to deteriorate? Are those countries smarter or better? Apparently, because we have so many selfish dumbasses in this country that we are mired to completely destroy our economy because 'freedom' and 'liberty.'

What other countries have done is get testing and tracing in place while encouraging or mandating masking and distancing while GIVING everyone enough cash to cover rent, food, utilities - the basics. that also keeps portions of the economy going, rather than relying on food kitchens and other charitiable support. Instead, we gave trillions of unmarked bills to companies who continue to pay dividends and lay off workers.

Dumb Dumb Dumb

I'm the PP you responded to.
1. You can encourage testing/tracing but our country has to have processes set up to support these endeavors. I absolutely do not feel that our government is capable of this from a logistical nor financial perspective. I do indeed attribute this mainly to the Trump admin for gutting the foundation that would have given us a fighting chance of being successful to execute this but I can't say for sure under an Obama/Biden admin, things would have gone so successful it would be the answer to our issues today. Furthermore, since Biden will be starting essentially from scratch, I don't believe that he's going to be able to change in the short-term the viability of this strategy and herein lies the problem - he will try to do this and it won't work. He's not creative enough to make it work.

2. Everyone will never wear a mask. This is not a Biden/Trump nor R v D thing. This is the nature of the US where "freedom" is paramount. In this country, we cannot pass laws to limit the sale of guns AFTER 1st graders got shot to death in school. You think we are going to have a country that abides by wearing masks everywhere? Are you nuts? You put forth New Zealand and other countries that are much smaller in size and scope to US. It's just not comparable. That's the problem with Left-leaning (Dem) politics/programs - you think you can just talk about it and it will happen cause everyone should think like you. Unless you are highly educated and chances are living in an urban setting, you aren't going to think too much about masking. People will do what they want to do - you can't base your strategy on getting everyone to do this even if you put forth a federal mandate because it simply is not enforceable. What you ought to do is look at a different strategy.

What we ought to do is put forth funds to:
1. Help unemployed find employment
2. Look at research to develop therapies to mitigate the effects of the virus v. 1 magical cure which will be a nightmare to implement and to even get enough people to take - this is call diversifying - not all our eggs in one basket. This is called being creative enough to live with the virus and accept that in nature, bad things happen.
3. Not decimate our long-term financial well-being by continuing payments till who knows when to help everyone who may not actually need help financially via unemployment benefits.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, no biggie. JUST airlines, retail and hospitality

Along with neighborhood coffee shops. lunch deli, defense contractors, amusement parks.and more

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today's stock market is brought to you by 1) Mitch McConnell and a Senate that adjourned after rushing a SCOTUS pick through without taking up any sort of COVID relief and 2) Donald Trump and his *amazing* administration that has dealt with COVID so effectively that they proclaim it to be "over" while the US reaches daily new record infections and many regions at hospital capacity.

Doesn't matter. McConnell will be reelected. Can't they find a strong candidate to run against this worthless tool?

Maybe Andy Besheer will get the opportunity to replace him in the not too distant future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, no biggie. JUST airlines, retail and hospitality

Along with neighborhood coffee shops. lunch deli, defense contractors, amusement parks.and more

So what's your point? I mean would you rather have 100% of people impacted or 75%? Sorry but as an adult, you may run into rough times but you have to take responsibility in getting up again. There are people in these industries and in this rough time making it. Successfully digging themselves out of a hole without the need for $600/wk for years. Of course the ones who are suffering should receive some sort of help but sorry, there just can't be this check that goes out for years to everyone until they are good. That's crazy. How about you giving them money every month from your account indefinitely?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today's stock market is brought to you by 1) Mitch McConnell and a Senate that adjourned after rushing a SCOTUS pick through without taking up any sort of COVID relief and 2) Donald Trump and his *amazing* administration that has dealt with COVID so effectively that they proclaim it to be "over" while the US reaches daily new record infections and many regions at hospital capacity.

Doesn't matter. McConnell will be reelected. Can't they find a strong candidate to run against this worthless tool?

Maybe Andy Besheer will get the opportunity to replace him in the not too distant future.

Obviously not. As Chanel said, "sin can be forgiven but stupidity cannot." The Dems are dumb as rocks. While McConnell will surely go to hell, I can't say that he's stupid. There is that. Dems just aren't smart. Not ruthless. Not focused. Not strong. The problem with the Dem party in general.

[Anonymous]

ugh, so says the people who elected trump

The Dems aren't EVIL. THAT is where the difference lies. It isn't brains. Dems just didn't anticipate the depths of depravity and norm breaking that Republicans were totally cool with.