Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know whether kobe was a rapist or not, but lol at all these people who say that kobe got away with it because he was rich or that it happened so long ago. People still don't go to jail for rape! You all honestly think people go to prison for rape?

Even in liberal, progressive Austin Tx, each year over 1000 women report sexual assault. Of those only 100 alleged rapists are arrested. And over a several year period only ONE case resulted in a prosecution. And the victim was a man! https://www.thedailybeast.com/no-justice-at-all-class-action-lawsuit-says-austin-officials-failed-female-rape-victims

Point? There's no justice for women who are raped. And while that's the case there will be no peace for men who stand accused, rightly or wrongly.

Yep. Wonder why Don’t all these Kobe haters start their own thread about that instead of harping on a dead mad not even cold in the ground.


Why aren’t you folks screaming about Ben R. on the Steelers? Oh, I know why, it’s more fun to harp on the dead guy.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve lived in LA for 20 years and have never once cheered for Lobe Bryant, due to his past. I’m very very sad for kids kids, but I’m not going to pretend now that I care about him. He is a rapist and I’m not sad.

Yeah okay, he was the most popular athlete in the universe at the time of the accusation and oh yeah, they also found someone else’s semen in her underwear. Real credible rape accusation. No money motives there.

I believe her and did you not listen to his apology? Give me a break. I live in LA and work with celebrities. I believe her.

That’s fine. But not everyone agrees with you or believes her.

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Anonymous wrote:Only entitled white feminists are dragging Kobe's name through the mud right now. Could not even let the flames cool off before going straight into the agenda. What a vile bunch.

I don’t know...I wouldn’t start guessing on who is besmirching him. I’m white female feminist (not angry!) and I’ve been defending his legacy against criticism.

I am not white, but am a feminist and am defending his legacy too.

For feminists of color, particularly black feminists, it is more complicated because they grasp how important of a figure Kobe was and what he meant for communities of color and their sons, fathers, boyfriends, brothers etc. It is devastating for them.

I don’t understand why people keep bringing race into this. I could understand why he should be given the benefit of the doubt if the evidence against him was less credible. However, the forensic evidence is against him and he himself even admitted in his apology statement that although he believed at the time it was consensual, he now understands why she doesn’t see it that way. He did it, he raped her.

Most thinking people do not disagree on that. But because he was black, we shouldn’t bring that up?

See the post above you. It was the immediacy with which they sought to diminish him and the singularity of their focus. When there is a history in this country of diminishing, targeting and even assassinating prominent people of color, they approach these issues with a little more hesitancy. When there is a rampant problem of black masculinity and a startling dearth of black male figures in homes and for children, they are a little less inclined to tear down a strong, black, accomplished male icon that served as an inspiration to so many in the absence of their fathers and older brothers. When you are living that on a day to day basis, you need your heroes and your myths to keep you going. To keep that glimmer of hope. To see that one of you made it. Much of this is lost on some white feminists that want to clout chase and score metoo points.

When is it appropriate to talk about it though? He died on Sunday. So perhaps people should not have been talking about it then. How about Monday? Tuesday? Today is Thursday, is it ok to talk about it now?

As for Kobe, I don't think he was a bad guy at all. I do think he raped a girl and got away with it because he was a super star athlete and the system as it exists favors men over women. Even now people are still putting his his needs and concerns first (protecting his legacy) over his victim's feelings.

I think that's why people are angry. It's not really about Kobe in particular, it's more being fed up with this feeling that THIS IS HOW IT ALWAYS GOES AND I'M SO SICK OF IT. When are we going to start taking the stories of sexual assault survivors seriously and doing something about it? (i.e. punishing wrong doers). Know what I mean? It's never the right time to talk about rape because we still favor men over women.

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Anonymous wrote:Only entitled white feminists are dragging Kobe's name through the mud right now. Could not even let the flames cool off before going straight into the agenda. What a vile bunch.

I don’t know...I wouldn’t start guessing on who is besmirching him. I’m white female feminist (not angry!) and I’ve been defending his legacy against criticism.

I am not white, but am a feminist and am defending his legacy too.

For feminists of color, particularly black feminists, it is more complicated because they grasp how important of a figure Kobe was and what he meant for communities of color and their sons, fathers, boyfriends, brothers etc. It is devastating for them.

I don’t understand why people keep bringing race into this. I could understand why he should be given the benefit of the doubt if the evidence against him was less credible. However, the forensic evidence is against him and he himself even admitted in his apology statement that although he believed at the time it was consensual, he now understands why she doesn’t see it that way. He did it, he raped her.

Most thinking people do not disagree on that. But because he was black, we shouldn’t bring that up?

See the post above you. It was the immediacy with which they sought to diminish him and the singularity of their focus. When there is a history in this country of diminishing, targeting and even assassinating prominent people of color, they approach these issues with a little more hesitancy. When there is a rampant problem of black masculinity and a startling dearth of black male figures in homes and for children, they are a little less inclined to tear down a strong, black, accomplished male icon that served as an inspiration to so many in the absence of their fathers and older brothers. When you are living that on a day to day basis, you need your heroes and your myths to keep you going. To keep that glimmer of hope. To see that one of you made it. Much of this is lost on some white feminists that want to clout chase and score metoo points.

When is it appropriate to talk about it though? He died on Sunday. So perhaps people should not have been talking about it then. How about Monday? Tuesday? Today is Thursday, is it ok to talk about it now?

As for Kobe, I don't think he was a bad guy at all. I do think he raped a girl and got away with it because he was a super star athlete and the system as it exists favors men over women. Even now people are still putting his his needs and concerns first (protecting his legacy) over his victim's feelings.

I think that's why people are angry. It's not really about Kobe in particular, it's more being fed up with this feeling that THIS IS HOW IT ALWAYS GOES AND I'M SO SICK OF IT. When are we going to start taking the stories of sexual assault survivors seriously and doing something about it? (i.e. punishing wrong doers). Know what I mean? It's never the right time to talk about rape because we still favor men over women.

Take your anger out on someone or something else, not Kobe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know whether kobe was a rapist or not, but lol at all these people who say that kobe got away with it because he was rich or that it happened so long ago. People still don't go to jail for rape! You all honestly think people go to prison for rape?

Even in liberal, progressive Austin Tx, each year over 1000 women report sexual assault. Of those only 100 alleged rapists are arrested. And over a several year period only ONE case resulted in a prosecution. And the victim was a man! https://www.thedailybeast.com/no-justice-at-all-class-action-lawsuit-says-austin-officials-failed-female-rape-victims

Point? There's no justice for women who are raped. And while that's the case there will be no peace for men who stand accused, rightly or wrongly.

Yep. Wonder why Don’t all these Kobe haters start their own thread about that instead of harping on a dead mad not even cold in the ground.


Why aren’t you folks screaming about Ben R. on the Steelers? Oh, I know why, it’s more fun to harp on the dead guy.

That and Ben is a white male. Kobe is an black male. To say that skin color isn’t a factor is ingenuous.

When Bill Clinton croaks, no one will talk about all of his rape accusations and cheating on his wife. People here will worship him as the greatest President ever who kept us out of war.

Are you kidding? Yes they will. They were bringing it up in the '16 election as a reason not to vote for his wife! Cuz she willingly stayed married to a rapist and threw that woman under the bus so many times.

And people also hate on Ben R. calling him Ben Rapistbergler.

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Anonymous wrote:Only entitled white feminists are dragging Kobe's name through the mud right now. Could not even let the flames cool off before going straight into the agenda. What a vile bunch.

I don’t know...I wouldn’t start guessing on who is besmirching him. I’m white female feminist (not angry!) and I’ve been defending his legacy against criticism.

I am not white, but am a feminist and am defending his legacy too.

For feminists of color, particularly black feminists, it is more complicated because they grasp how important of a figure Kobe was and what he meant for communities of color and their sons, fathers, boyfriends, brothers etc. It is devastating for them.

I don’t understand why people keep bringing race into this. I could understand why he should be given the benefit of the doubt if the evidence against him was less credible. However, the forensic evidence is against him and he himself even admitted in his apology statement that although he believed at the time it was consensual, he now understands why she doesn’t see it that way. He did it, he raped her.

Most thinking people do not disagree on that. But because he was black, we shouldn’t bring that up?

See the post above you. It was the immediacy with which they sought to diminish him and the singularity of their focus. When there is a history in this country of diminishing, targeting and even assassinating prominent people of color, they approach these issues with a little more hesitancy. When there is a rampant problem of black masculinity and a startling dearth of black male figures in homes and for children, they are a little less inclined to tear down a strong, black, accomplished male icon that served as an inspiration to so many in the absence of their fathers and older brothers. When you are living that on a day to day basis, you need your heroes and your myths to keep you going. To keep that glimmer of hope. To see that one of you made it. Much of this is lost on some white feminists that want to clout chase and score metoo points.

When is it appropriate to talk about it though? He died on Sunday. So perhaps people should not have been talking about it then. How about Monday? Tuesday? Today is Thursday, is it ok to talk about it now?

As for Kobe, I don't think he was a bad guy at all. I do think he raped a girl and got away with it because he was a super star athlete and the system as it exists favors men over women. Even now people are still putting his his needs and concerns first (protecting his legacy) over his victim's feelings.

I think that's why people are angry. It's not really about Kobe in particular, it's more being fed up with this feeling that THIS IS HOW IT ALWAYS GOES AND I'M SO SICK OF IT. When are we going to start taking the stories of sexual assault survivors seriously and doing something about it? (i.e. punishing wrong doers). Know what I mean? It's never the right time to talk about rape because we still favor men over women.

Take your anger out on someone or something else, not Kobe.

Why should I when he's an admitted rapist?

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Anonymous wrote:Only entitled white feminists are dragging Kobe's name through the mud right now. Could not even let the flames cool off before going straight into the agenda. What a vile bunch.

I don’t know...I wouldn’t start guessing on who is besmirching him. I’m white female feminist (not angry!) and I’ve been defending his legacy against criticism.

I am not white, but am a feminist and am defending his legacy too.

For feminists of color, particularly black feminists, it is more complicated because they grasp how important of a figure Kobe was and what he meant for communities of color and their sons, fathers, boyfriends, brothers etc. It is devastating for them.

I don’t understand why people keep bringing race into this. I could understand why he should be given the benefit of the doubt if the evidence against him was less credible. However, the forensic evidence is against him and he himself even admitted in his apology statement that although he believed at the time it was consensual, he now understands why she doesn’t see it that way. He did it, he raped her.

Most thinking people do not disagree on that. But because he was black, we shouldn’t bring that up?

See the post above you. It was the immediacy with which they sought to diminish him and the singularity of their focus. When there is a history in this country of diminishing, targeting and even assassinating prominent people of color, they approach these issues with a little more hesitancy. When there is a rampant problem of black masculinity and a startling dearth of black male figures in homes and for children, they are a little less inclined to tear down a strong, black, accomplished male icon that served as an inspiration to so many in the absence of their fathers and older brothers. When you are living that on a day to day basis, you need your heroes and your myths to keep you going. To keep that glimmer of hope. To see that one of you made it. Much of this is lost on some white feminists that want to clout chase and score metoo points.

When is it appropriate to talk about it though? He died on Sunday. So perhaps people should not have been talking about it then. How about Monday? Tuesday? Today is Thursday, is it ok to talk about it now?

As for Kobe, I don't think he was a bad guy at all. I do think he raped a girl and got away with it because he was a super star athlete and the system as it exists favors men over women. Even now people are still putting his his needs and concerns first (protecting his legacy) over his victim's feelings.

I think that's why people are angry. It's not really about Kobe in particular, it's more being fed up with this feeling that THIS IS HOW IT ALWAYS GOES AND I'M SO SICK OF IT. When are we going to start taking the stories of sexual assault survivors seriously and doing something about it? (i.e. punishing wrong doers). Know what I mean? It's never the right time to talk about rape because we still favor men over women.

Take your anger out on someone or something else, not Kobe.

Why should I when he's an admitted rapist?

I definitely don’t care and it’s gross to be looking at all the Kobe jerseys everywhere here in LA. But, I’ve felt like that for the past 20 years whenever I saw the jerseys. I think it’s a huge loss for his children but I’m not going to cry about one less rapist in my city. Karma came back around. I will never forget how they dragged his accuser through the mud, kept using her real name when reputable media wouldn’t even use her name, and basically slut shamed her WHEN HE ADMITTED TO THE RAPE. Bye, Kobe.

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Can someone from So Cal explain why he lived in Newport Beach when the Staples Center is in LA and the Mamba Academy is in Newbury Park? I looked all of these places up on a map and that’s just crazy. Even with money and a helicopter, what a PITA. Can someone explain why he did that - he could obviously live anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone from So Cal explain why he lived in Newport Beach when the Staples Center is in LA and the Mamba Academy is in Newbury Park? I looked all of these places up on a map and that’s just crazy. Even with money and a helicopter, what a PITA. Can someone explain why he did that - he could obviously live anywhere.

Angeleno here- Newport is probably the best area around here, I’d live there too! It’s a great place to raise a family vs LA. He had the money so he felt entitled to travel via helicopter.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve lived in LA for 20 years and have never once cheered for Lobe Bryant, due to his past. I’m very very sad for kids kids, but I’m not going to pretend now that I care about him. He is a rapist and I’m not sad.

Yeah okay, he was the most popular athlete in the universe at the time of the accusation and oh yeah, they also found someone else’s semen in her underwear. Real credible rape accusation. No money motives there.

I believe her and did you not listen to his apology? Give me a break. I live in LA and work with celebrities. I believe her.

So guy wasn’t convicted of anything, she lied and bragged about sleeping with him, but he’s a total rapist, eh? Believe the woman who literally banged 3 other dudes the same night and bragged about how hung Kobe was?

Believe all women, no matter how shady their story is.

Hello he admitted it. Please don reinvent history.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve lived in LA for 20 years and have never once cheered for Lobe Bryant, due to his past. I’m very very sad for kids kids, but I’m not going to pretend now that I care about him. He is a rapist and I’m not sad.

Yeah okay, he was the most popular athlete in the universe at the time of the accusation and oh yeah, they also found someone else’s semen in her underwear. Real credible rape accusation. No money motives there.

I believe her and did you not listen to his apology? Give me a break. I live in LA and work with celebrities. I believe her.

So guy wasn’t convicted of anything, she lied and bragged about sleeping with him, but he’s a total rapist, eh? Believe the woman who literally banged 3 other dudes the same night and bragged about how hung Kobe was?

Believe all women, no matter how shady their story is.

Sources please for this nonsense. Were you there? Don’t just make up a bunch of lies and post them because you like basketball and want to support a rapists.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve lived in LA for 20 years and have never once cheered for Lobe Bryant, due to his past. I’m very very sad for kids kids, but I’m not going to pretend now that I care about him. He is a rapist and I’m not sad.

Yeah okay, he was the most popular athlete in the universe at the time of the accusation and oh yeah, they also found someone else’s semen in her underwear. Real credible rape accusation. No money motives there.

I believe her and did you not listen to his apology? Give me a break. I live in LA and work with celebrities. I believe her.

So guy wasn’t convicted of anything, she lied and bragged about sleeping with him, but he’s a total rapist, eh? Believe the woman who literally banged 3 other dudes the same night and bragged about how hung Kobe was?

Believe all women, no matter how shady their story is.

Hello he admitted it. Please don reinvent history.

He didn't admit to being a rapist, you're deluded. Stop it with your agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve lived in LA for 20 years and have never once cheered for Lobe Bryant, due to his past. I’m very very sad for kids kids, but I’m not going to pretend now that I care about him. He is a rapist and I’m not sad.

Yeah okay, he was the most popular athlete in the universe at the time of the accusation and oh yeah, they also found someone else’s semen in her underwear. Real credible rape accusation. No money motives there.

I believe her and did you not listen to his apology? Give me a break. I live in LA and work with celebrities. I believe her.

So guy wasn’t convicted of anything, she lied and bragged about sleeping with him, but he’s a total rapist, eh? Believe the woman who literally banged 3 other dudes the same night and bragged about how hung Kobe was?

Believe all women, no matter how shady their story is.

Hello he admitted it. Please don reinvent history.

Hello no he didn’t. Please don’t reinvent history. He was never convicted. Technically his isn’t a rapist. Get over it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve lived in LA for 20 years and have never once cheered for Lobe Bryant, due to his past. I’m very very sad for kids kids, but I’m not going to pretend now that I care about him. He is a rapist and I’m not sad.

Yeah okay, he was the most popular athlete in the universe at the time of the accusation and oh yeah, they also found someone else’s semen in her underwear. Real credible rape accusation. No money motives there.

I believe her and did you not listen to his apology? Give me a break. I live in LA and work with celebrities. I believe her.

So guy wasn’t convicted of anything, she lied and bragged about sleeping with him, but he’s a total rapist, eh? Believe the woman who literally banged 3 other dudes the same night and bragged about how hung Kobe was?

Believe all women, no matter how shady their story is.

Hello he admitted it. Please don reinvent history.

Stop. You’re absolutely twisting words to suit your agenda. I hope all this sub topic is deleted because it’s filled with misstatements, and allegations used as facts.

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*apparently not apartment!