Wall Street Journal on rampant growth in percentage of college students with “disabilities”

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threads like this remind me how much more important emotional intelligence and reasoning ability are to life than just fast processing speed.

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Anonymous wrote:If psychologists tested the entire population of students who score at or above the 80th percentile rank on the SAT, the majority of the students would come out with at least one processing area that was lower than the others since most people have a profile of strengths and weaknesses. An articulate psychologist can then write that up justifying extra time.

If your Verbal IQ, Fluid Reasoning, and Visual Spatial ability are above the 80th percentile rank, you have
a higher chance of having lower processing speed (and it is 2 different 2 minute tests - so 4 minutes in total) due to regression toward the mean and the fact that processing speed does not correlate as strongly into overall intelligence. So someone could sneeze, be cautious, double check their work and their processing speed goes down- but that is good for extra time on the SAT.

I think I mentioned this earlier on this thread, but slow processing on its own does not get considered for accommodations on the SAT or ACT. There must be some other condition present such as ADHD or dyslexia. Just because a kid tests and exhibits below average processing does not mean he will be granted extended time. Slow processing speed is one possible symptom of a condition, but slow processing on its own is not a diagnosis that will get your kid extra time on a test.

That is why people pay the 3 to 5,000 dollars for a complete evaluation where they administer 40 to 50 subtests of various cognitive assessments. Most kids are going to score low in an area. Then have a parent rate their child as inattentive- seriously the criteria for ADHD is so vague - it is 6 characteristics such as:
1) often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli (what kid with a smart phone isn't easily distracted by constant texts - I am as an adult)
2 often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly ( I tell my kids 100 times to pick up their shoes, clothes, brush their teeth, turn off the tv, etc.)
3) Often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort -e.g., schoolwork or homework ( my kids dislike homework and are reluctant to independently come home and begin homework.

You can diagnosis shop if you have the money. This is why
The College Board received (and approved 85 percent of) around 80,000 accommodation requests in 2010-11 and 160,000 requests in 2015-16!
So in five years the number doubled!

Parent assessment alone is not used to diagnose ADHD. A lot of weight is put on teachers' assessments and the doctor's observations during testing. And as a parent, if you are that desperate to get your kid a leg up that you would fake an ADHD diagnosis, that is extremely low. There are horrible people out there, but just because some game the system doesn't mean the benefits should be taken away from those who truly need it.

And yet NO poor kids are getting this benefit. These are all rich, privileged, mostly white kids getting these benefits for their kids. Remember that when you knock ‘affirmative action’ programs in college with this same passionate vitriol. Your kids are receiving all sorts of benefits and entitlements that you aren’t acknowledging.

What are you talking about? Of course poor kids can be diagnosed with ADHD, ASD, Learning Disabilities, etc. and receive IEPs or 504s.

If you can't afford $3k-$5k out of pocket, you just go to CNMC or KKI and receive a similar comprehensive evaluation from a trained neuropsychologist. The only real reason to go with a private practice over CNMC or KKI is for convenience and to save time.

Oh please. Tell that to the poor families whose mom and dad are struggling to keep the family aflloat with multiple jobs. Like they have the time/resources for this.

Oh wait! You're right! They can just have the nanny take the kid!

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Anonymous wrote:threads like this remind me how much more important emotional intelligence and reasoning ability are to life than just fast processing speed.

YES!

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Anonymous wrote:If psychologists tested the entire population of students who score at or above the 80th percentile rank on the SAT, the majority of the students would come out with at least one processing area that was lower than the others since most people have a profile of strengths and weaknesses. An articulate psychologist can then write that up justifying extra time.

If your Verbal IQ, Fluid Reasoning, and Visual Spatial ability are above the 80th percentile rank, you have
a higher chance of having lower processing speed (and it is 2 different 2 minute tests - so 4 minutes in total) due to regression toward the mean and the fact that processing speed does not correlate as strongly into overall intelligence. So someone could sneeze, be cautious, double check their work and their processing speed goes down- but that is good for extra time on the SAT.

I think I mentioned this earlier on this thread, but slow processing on its own does not get considered for accommodations on the SAT or ACT. There must be some other condition present such as ADHD or dyslexia. Just because a kid tests and exhibits below average processing does not mean he will be granted extended time. Slow processing speed is one possible symptom of a condition, but slow processing on its own is not a diagnosis that will get your kid extra time on a test.

That is why people pay the 3 to 5,000 dollars for a complete evaluation where they administer 40 to 50 subtests of various cognitive assessments. Most kids are going to score low in an area. Then have a parent rate their child as inattentive- seriously the criteria for ADHD is so vague - it is 6 characteristics such as:
1) often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli (what kid with a smart phone isn't easily distracted by constant texts - I am as an adult)
2 often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly ( I tell my kids 100 times to pick up their shoes, clothes, brush their teeth, turn off the tv, etc.)
3) Often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort -e.g., schoolwork or homework ( my kids dislike homework and are reluctant to independently come home and begin homework.

You can diagnosis shop if you have the money. This is why
The College Board received (and approved 85 percent of) around 80,000 accommodation requests in 2010-11 and 160,000 requests in 2015-16!
So in five years the number doubled!

Parent assessment alone is not used to diagnose ADHD. A lot of weight is put on teachers' assessments and the doctor's observations during testing. And as a parent, if you are that desperate to get your kid a leg up that you would fake an ADHD diagnosis, that is extremely low. There are horrible people out there, but just because some game the system doesn't mean the benefits should be taken away from those who truly need it.

And yet NO poor kids are getting this benefit. These are all rich, privileged, mostly white kids getting these benefits for their kids. Remember that when you knock ‘affirmative action’ programs in college with this same passionate vitriol. Your kids are receiving all sorts of benefits and entitlements that you aren’t acknowledging.

What are you talking about? Of course poor kids can be diagnosed with ADHD, ASD, Learning Disabilities, etc. and receive IEPs or 504s.

If you can't afford $3k-$5k out of pocket, you just go to CNMC or KKI and receive a similar comprehensive evaluation from a trained neuropsychologist. The only real reason to go with a private practice over CNMC or KKI is for convenience and to save time.

Also ... schools rarely create an IEP or 504 without performing their own testing. They will take the report from the neuro-psych under consideration, but they will almost always follow up with their own testing. In some cases a school will deny an IEP even with a documented disability because they feel that it does not prevent the student from accessing the curriculum. In fact, you do not need a neuro-psych evaluation at all in order to get an IEP or 504 because schools are required by federal law to evaluate a student if they are referred. Getting a full neuro-psych evaluation is still recommended because the testing is generally more comprehensive and the report will contain a lot more information and recommendations on how to help the person above and beyond in-school services or accommodations. The independent evaluator also does not have the same bias the school does to deny services for budgetary reasons.

I'm sorry, but you're really ignorant and it's not helping your case.

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Anonymous wrote:If psychologists tested the entire population of students who score at or above the 80th percentile rank on the SAT, the majority of the students would come out with at least one processing area that was lower than the others since most people have a profile of strengths and weaknesses. An articulate psychologist can then write that up justifying extra time.

If your Verbal IQ, Fluid Reasoning, and Visual Spatial ability are above the 80th percentile rank, you have
a higher chance of having lower processing speed (and it is 2 different 2 minute tests - so 4 minutes in total) due to regression toward the mean and the fact that processing speed does not correlate as strongly into overall intelligence. So someone could sneeze, be cautious, double check their work and their processing speed goes down- but that is good for extra time on the SAT.

I think I mentioned this earlier on this thread, but slow processing on its own does not get considered for accommodations on the SAT or ACT. There must be some other condition present such as ADHD or dyslexia. Just because a kid tests and exhibits below average processing does not mean he will be granted extended time. Slow processing speed is one possible symptom of a condition, but slow processing on its own is not a diagnosis that will get your kid extra time on a test.

That is why people pay the 3 to 5,000 dollars for a complete evaluation where they administer 40 to 50 subtests of various cognitive assessments. Most kids are going to score low in an area. Then have a parent rate their child as inattentive- seriously the criteria for ADHD is so vague - it is 6 characteristics such as:
1) often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli (what kid with a smart phone isn't easily distracted by constant texts - I am as an adult)
2 often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly ( I tell my kids 100 times to pick up their shoes, clothes, brush their teeth, turn off the tv, etc.)
3) Often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort -e.g., schoolwork or homework ( my kids dislike homework and are reluctant to independently come home and begin homework.

You can diagnosis shop if you have the money. This is why
The College Board received (and approved 85 percent of) around 80,000 accommodation requests in 2010-11 and 160,000 requests in 2015-16!
So in five years the number doubled!

Parent assessment alone is not used to diagnose ADHD. A lot of weight is put on teachers' assessments and the doctor's observations during testing. And as a parent, if you are that desperate to get your kid a leg up that you would fake an ADHD diagnosis, that is extremely low. There are horrible people out there, but just because some game the system doesn't mean the benefits should be taken away from those who truly need it.

And yet NO poor kids are getting this benefit. These are all rich, privileged, mostly white kids getting these benefits for their kids. Remember that when you knock ‘affirmative action’ programs in college with this same passionate vitriol. Your kids are receiving all sorts of benefits and entitlements that you aren’t acknowledging.

What are you talking about? Of course poor kids can be diagnosed with ADHD, ASD, Learning Disabilities, etc. and receive IEPs or 504s.

If you can't afford $3k-$5k out of pocket, you just go to CNMC or KKI and receive a similar comprehensive evaluation from a trained neuropsychologist. The only real reason to go with a private practice over CNMC or KKI is for convenience and to save time.

Oh please. Tell that to the poor families whose mom and dad are struggling to keep the family aflloat with multiple jobs. Like they have the time/resources for this.

Oh wait! You're right! They can just have the nanny take the kid!

Yes, even for "free" testing at CNMC and KKI, someone will have to take time off of work and provide transportation to get the kid to the testing. More reasons why jobs should provide reasonable leave for their employees and a livable wage.

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Anonymous wrote:If psychologists tested the entire population of students who score at or above the 80th percentile rank on the SAT, the majority of the students would come out with at least one processing area that was lower than the others since most people have a profile of strengths and weaknesses. An articulate psychologist can then write that up justifying extra time.

If your Verbal IQ, Fluid Reasoning, and Visual Spatial ability are above the 80th percentile rank, you have
a higher chance of having lower processing speed (and it is 2 different 2 minute tests - so 4 minutes in total) due to regression toward the mean and the fact that processing speed does not correlate as strongly into overall intelligence. So someone could sneeze, be cautious, double check their work and their processing speed goes down- but that is good for extra time on the SAT.

I think I mentioned this earlier on this thread, but slow processing on its own does not get considered for accommodations on the SAT or ACT. There must be some other condition present such as ADHD or dyslexia. Just because a kid tests and exhibits below average processing does not mean he will be granted extended time. Slow processing speed is one possible symptom of a condition, but slow processing on its own is not a diagnosis that will get your kid extra time on a test.

That is why people pay the 3 to 5,000 dollars for a complete evaluation where they administer 40 to 50 subtests of various cognitive assessments. Most kids are going to score low in an area. Then have a parent rate their child as inattentive- seriously the criteria for ADHD is so vague - it is 6 characteristics such as:
1) often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli (what kid with a smart phone isn't easily distracted by constant texts - I am as an adult)
2 often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly ( I tell my kids 100 times to pick up their shoes, clothes, brush their teeth, turn off the tv, etc.)
3) Often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort -e.g., schoolwork or homework ( my kids dislike homework and are reluctant to independently come home and begin homework.

You can diagnosis shop if you have the money. This is why
The College Board received (and approved 85 percent of) around 80,000 accommodation requests in 2010-11 and 160,000 requests in 2015-16!
So in five years the number doubled!

Parent assessment alone is not used to diagnose ADHD. A lot of weight is put on teachers' assessments and the doctor's observations during testing. And as a parent, if you are that desperate to get your kid a leg up that you would fake an ADHD diagnosis, that is extremely low. There are horrible people out there, but just because some game the system doesn't mean the benefits should be taken away from those who truly need it.

And yet NO poor kids are getting this benefit. These are all rich, privileged, mostly white kids getting these benefits for their kids. Remember that when you knock ‘affirmative action’ programs in college with this same passionate vitriol. Your kids are receiving all sorts of benefits and entitlements that you aren’t acknowledging.

What are you talking about? Of course poor kids can be diagnosed with ADHD, ASD, Learning Disabilities, etc. and receive IEPs or 504s.

If you can't afford $3k-$5k out of pocket, you just go to CNMC or KKI and receive a similar comprehensive evaluation from a trained neuropsychologist. The only real reason to go with a private practice over CNMC or KKI is for convenience and to save time.

Oh please. Tell that to the poor families whose mom and dad are struggling to keep the family aflloat with multiple jobs. Like they have the time/resources for this.

Oh wait! You're right! They can just have the nanny take the kid!

Yes, even for "free" testing at CNMC and KKI, someone will have to take time off of work and provide transportation to get the kid to the testing. More reasons why jobs should provide reasonable leave for their employees and a livable wage.

Did you know that prior to Obamacare there was no mandate for insurance companies to cover the cost of prosthetic devices? There were also lifetime caps on prosthesis, so a parent could have the choice of providing their child with a fitted prosthetic now or wait for their child to finish growing before getting them a good prosthetic. Most people look at situations like these and feel like the right answer would be to make sure that medical insurance does pay for adequate prosthesis for individuals at all stages of their life -- after all, this is what medical insurance is for. It's only someone like you that looks at a situation like this and chooses to shame someone who is fortunate enough to be able to afford to pay for their medical care and claim they should have their expensive prosthesis taken away because it's an unfair advantage over poor amputees. I mean, it is interesting that the Special Olympics sprinters beat the pants off of the regular Olympics sprinters, but taking away their racing prosthesis doesn't make the regular Olympics sprinters any faster.

Accessing medical care that is covered my medical insurance or by Medicaid doesn't still require a person to get themselves to the medical care. This is the same for evaluating someone for Autism as it is for filling cavities.

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Anonymous wrote:If psychologists tested the entire population of students who score at or above the 80th percentile rank on the SAT, the majority of the students would come out with at least one processing area that was lower than the others since most people have a profile of strengths and weaknesses. An articulate psychologist can then write that up justifying extra time.

If your Verbal IQ, Fluid Reasoning, and Visual Spatial ability are above the 80th percentile rank, you have
a higher chance of having lower processing speed (and it is 2 different 2 minute tests - so 4 minutes in total) due to regression toward the mean and the fact that processing speed does not correlate as strongly into overall intelligence. So someone could sneeze, be cautious, double check their work and their processing speed goes down- but that is good for extra time on the SAT.

I think I mentioned this earlier on this thread, but slow processing on its own does not get considered for accommodations on the SAT or ACT. There must be some other condition present such as ADHD or dyslexia. Just because a kid tests and exhibits below average processing does not mean he will be granted extended time. Slow processing speed is one possible symptom of a condition, but slow processing on its own is not a diagnosis that will get your kid extra time on a test.

That is why people pay the 3 to 5,000 dollars for a complete evaluation where they administer 40 to 50 subtests of various cognitive assessments. Most kids are going to score low in an area. Then have a parent rate their child as inattentive- seriously the criteria for ADHD is so vague - it is 6 characteristics such as:
1) often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli (what kid with a smart phone isn't easily distracted by constant texts - I am as an adult)
2 often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly ( I tell my kids 100 times to pick up their shoes, clothes, brush their teeth, turn off the tv, etc.)
3) Often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort -e.g., schoolwork or homework ( my kids dislike homework and are reluctant to independently come home and begin homework.

You can diagnosis shop if you have the money. This is why
The College Board received (and approved 85 percent of) around 80,000 accommodation requests in 2010-11 and 160,000 requests in 2015-16!
So in five years the number doubled!

Parent assessment alone is not used to diagnose ADHD. A lot of weight is put on teachers' assessments and the doctor's observations during testing. And as a parent, if you are that desperate to get your kid a leg up that you would fake an ADHD diagnosis, that is extremely low. There are horrible people out there, but just because some game the system doesn't mean the benefits should be taken away from those who truly need it.

And yet NO poor kids are getting this benefit. These are all rich, privileged, mostly white kids getting these benefits for their kids. Remember that when you knock ‘affirmative action’ programs in college with this same passionate vitriol. Your kids are receiving all sorts of benefits and entitlements that you aren’t acknowledging.

What are you talking about? Of course poor kids can be diagnosed with ADHD, ASD, Learning Disabilities, etc. and receive IEPs or 504s.

If you can't afford $3k-$5k out of pocket, you just go to CNMC or KKI and receive a similar comprehensive evaluation from a trained neuropsychologist. The only real reason to go with a private practice over CNMC or KKI is for convenience and to save time.

Oh please. Tell that to the poor families whose mom and dad are struggling to keep the family aflloat with multiple jobs. Like they have the time/resources for this.

Oh wait! You're right! They can just have the nanny take the kid!

Yes, even for "free" testing at CNMC and KKI, someone will have to take time off of work and provide transportation to get the kid to the testing. More reasons why jobs should provide reasonable leave for their employees and a livable wage.

I wish they did, too. But they don't. So once again the underprivleged get the shaft.

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Accessing medical care that is covered my medical insurance or by Medicaid doesn't still require a person to get themselves to the medical care. This is the same for evaluating someone for Autism as it is for filling cavities.

*covered by medical insurance .... does still require ...

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Anonymous wrote:If psychologists tested the entire population of students who score at or above the 80th percentile rank on the SAT, the majority of the students would come out with at least one processing area that was lower than the others since most people have a profile of strengths and weaknesses. An articulate psychologist can then write that up justifying extra time.

If your Verbal IQ, Fluid Reasoning, and Visual Spatial ability are above the 80th percentile rank, you have
a higher chance of having lower processing speed (and it is 2 different 2 minute tests - so 4 minutes in total) due to regression toward the mean and the fact that processing speed does not correlate as strongly into overall intelligence. So someone could sneeze, be cautious, double check their work and their processing speed goes down- but that is good for extra time on the SAT.

I think I mentioned this earlier on this thread, but slow processing on its own does not get considered for accommodations on the SAT or ACT. There must be some other condition present such as ADHD or dyslexia. Just because a kid tests and exhibits below average processing does not mean he will be granted extended time. Slow processing speed is one possible symptom of a condition, but slow processing on its own is not a diagnosis that will get your kid extra time on a test.

That is why people pay the 3 to 5,000 dollars for a complete evaluation where they administer 40 to 50 subtests of various cognitive assessments. Most kids are going to score low in an area. Then have a parent rate their child as inattentive- seriously the criteria for ADHD is so vague - it is 6 characteristics such as:
1) often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli (what kid with a smart phone isn't easily distracted by constant texts - I am as an adult)
2 often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly ( I tell my kids 100 times to pick up their shoes, clothes, brush their teeth, turn off the tv, etc.)
3) Often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort -e.g., schoolwork or homework ( my kids dislike homework and are reluctant to independently come home and begin homework.

You can diagnosis shop if you have the money. This is why
The College Board received (and approved 85 percent of) around 80,000 accommodation requests in 2010-11 and 160,000 requests in 2015-16!
So in five years the number doubled!

Parent assessment alone is not used to diagnose ADHD. A lot of weight is put on teachers' assessments and the doctor's observations during testing. And as a parent, if you are that desperate to get your kid a leg up that you would fake an ADHD diagnosis, that is extremely low. There are horrible people out there, but just because some game the system doesn't mean the benefits should be taken away from those who truly need it.

And yet NO poor kids are getting this benefit. These are all rich, privileged, mostly white kids getting these benefits for their kids. Remember that when you knock ‘affirmative action’ programs in college with this same passionate vitriol. Your kids are receiving all sorts of benefits and entitlements that you aren’t acknowledging.

What are you talking about? Of course poor kids can be diagnosed with ADHD, ASD, Learning Disabilities, etc. and receive IEPs or 504s.

If you can't afford $3k-$5k out of pocket, you just go to CNMC or KKI and receive a similar comprehensive evaluation from a trained neuropsychologist. The only real reason to go with a private practice over CNMC or KKI is for convenience and to save time.

Oh please. Tell that to the poor families whose mom and dad are struggling to keep the family aflloat with multiple jobs. Like they have the time/resources for this.

Oh wait! You're right! They can just have the nanny take the kid!

Yes, even for "free" testing at CNMC and KKI, someone will have to take time off of work and provide transportation to get the kid to the testing. More reasons why jobs should provide reasonable leave for their employees and a livable wage.

These arguments are getting more and more comically weak with every post. Lol

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Anonymous wrote:If psychologists tested the entire population of students who score at or above the 80th percentile rank on the SAT, the majority of the students would come out with at least one processing area that was lower than the others since most people have a profile of strengths and weaknesses. An articulate psychologist can then write that up justifying extra time.

If your Verbal IQ, Fluid Reasoning, and Visual Spatial ability are above the 80th percentile rank, you have
a higher chance of having lower processing speed (and it is 2 different 2 minute tests - so 4 minutes in total) due to regression toward the mean and the fact that processing speed does not correlate as strongly into overall intelligence. So someone could sneeze, be cautious, double check their work and their processing speed goes down- but that is good for extra time on the SAT.

I think I mentioned this earlier on this thread, but slow processing on its own does not get considered for accommodations on the SAT or ACT. There must be some other condition present such as ADHD or dyslexia. Just because a kid tests and exhibits below average processing does not mean he will be granted extended time. Slow processing speed is one possible symptom of a condition, but slow processing on its own is not a diagnosis that will get your kid extra time on a test.

That is why people pay the 3 to 5,000 dollars for a complete evaluation where they administer 40 to 50 subtests of various cognitive assessments. Most kids are going to score low in an area. Then have a parent rate their child as inattentive- seriously the criteria for ADHD is so vague - it is 6 characteristics such as:
1) often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli (what kid with a smart phone isn't easily distracted by constant texts - I am as an adult)
2 often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly ( I tell my kids 100 times to pick up their shoes, clothes, brush their teeth, turn off the tv, etc.)
3) Often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort -e.g., schoolwork or homework ( my kids dislike homework and are reluctant to independently come home and begin homework.

You can diagnosis shop if you have the money. This is why
The College Board received (and approved 85 percent of) around 80,000 accommodation requests in 2010-11 and 160,000 requests in 2015-16!
So in five years the number doubled!

Parent assessment alone is not used to diagnose ADHD. A lot of weight is put on teachers' assessments and the doctor's observations during testing. And as a parent, if you are that desperate to get your kid a leg up that you would fake an ADHD diagnosis, that is extremely low. There are horrible people out there, but just because some game the system doesn't mean the benefits should be taken away from those who truly need it.

And yet NO poor kids are getting this benefit. These are all rich, privileged, mostly white kids getting these benefits for their kids. Remember that when you knock ‘affirmative action’ programs in college with this same passionate vitriol. Your kids are receiving all sorts of benefits and entitlements that you aren’t acknowledging.

What are you talking about? Of course poor kids can be diagnosed with ADHD, ASD, Learning Disabilities, etc. and receive IEPs or 504s.

If you can't afford $3k-$5k out of pocket, you just go to CNMC or KKI and receive a similar comprehensive evaluation from a trained neuropsychologist. The only real reason to go with a private practice over CNMC or KKI is for convenience and to save time.

Oh please. Tell that to the poor families whose mom and dad are struggling to keep the family aflloat with multiple jobs. Like they have the time/resources for this.

Oh wait! You're right! They can just have the nanny take the kid!

Yes, even for "free" testing at CNMC and KKI, someone will have to take time off of work and provide transportation to get the kid to the testing. More reasons why jobs should provide reasonable leave for their employees and a livable wage.

Did you know that prior to Obamacare there was no mandate for insurance companies to cover the cost of prosthetic devices? There were also lifetime caps on prosthesis, so a parent could have the choice of providing their child with a fitted prosthetic now or wait for their child to finish growing before getting them a good prosthetic. Most people look at situations like these and feel like the right answer would be to make sure that medical insurance does pay for adequate prosthesis for individuals at all stages of their life -- after all, this is what medical insurance is for. It's only someone like you that looks at a situation like this and chooses to shame someone who is fortunate enough to be able to afford to pay for their medical care and claim they should have their expensive prosthesis taken away because it's an unfair advantage over poor amputees. I mean, it is interesting that the Special Olympics sprinters beat the pants off of the regular Olympics sprinters, but taking away their racing prosthesis doesn't make the regular Olympics sprinters any faster.

Accessing medical care that is covered my medical insurance or by Medicaid doesn't still require a person to get themselves to the medical care. This is the same for evaluating someone for Autism as it is for filling cavities.

LD testing are not generally covered by medical insurance. They take that tack that it is an educational diagnosis and not a medical one. Conversely, many school systems will not diagnose specific LDs because they feel it is a medical diagnosis and not an educational one. Many of us are caught in a Catch 22.

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Anonymous wrote:If psychologists tested the entire population of students who score at or above the 80th percentile rank on the SAT, the majority of the students would come out with at least one processing area that was lower than the others since most people have a profile of strengths and weaknesses. An articulate psychologist can then write that up justifying extra time.

If your Verbal IQ, Fluid Reasoning, and Visual Spatial ability are above the 80th percentile rank, you have
a higher chance of having lower processing speed (and it is 2 different 2 minute tests - so 4 minutes in total) due to regression toward the mean and the fact that processing speed does not correlate as strongly into overall intelligence. So someone could sneeze, be cautious, double check their work and their processing speed goes down- but that is good for extra time on the SAT.

I think I mentioned this earlier on this thread, but slow processing on its own does not get considered for accommodations on the SAT or ACT. There must be some other condition present such as ADHD or dyslexia. Just because a kid tests and exhibits below average processing does not mean he will be granted extended time. Slow processing speed is one possible symptom of a condition, but slow processing on its own is not a diagnosis that will get your kid extra time on a test.

That is why people pay the 3 to 5,000 dollars for a complete evaluation where they administer 40 to 50 subtests of various cognitive assessments. Most kids are going to score low in an area. Then have a parent rate their child as inattentive- seriously the criteria for ADHD is so vague - it is 6 characteristics such as:
1) often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli (what kid with a smart phone isn't easily distracted by constant texts - I am as an adult)
2 often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly ( I tell my kids 100 times to pick up their shoes, clothes, brush their teeth, turn off the tv, etc.)
3) Often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort -e.g., schoolwork or homework ( my kids dislike homework and are reluctant to independently come home and begin homework.

You can diagnosis shop if you have the money. This is why
The College Board received (and approved 85 percent of) around 80,000 accommodation requests in 2010-11 and 160,000 requests in 2015-16!
So in five years the number doubled!

Parent assessment alone is not used to diagnose ADHD. A lot of weight is put on teachers' assessments and the doctor's observations during testing. And as a parent, if you are that desperate to get your kid a leg up that you would fake an ADHD diagnosis, that is extremely low. There are horrible people out there, but just because some game the system doesn't mean the benefits should be taken away from those who truly need it.

And yet NO poor kids are getting this benefit. These are all rich, privileged, mostly white kids getting these benefits for their kids. Remember that when you knock ‘affirmative action’ programs in college with this same passionate vitriol. Your kids are receiving all sorts of benefits and entitlements that you aren’t acknowledging.

What are you talking about? Of course poor kids can be diagnosed with ADHD, ASD, Learning Disabilities, etc. and receive IEPs or 504s.

If you can't afford $3k-$5k out of pocket, you just go to CNMC or KKI and receive a similar comprehensive evaluation from a trained neuropsychologist. The only real reason to go with a private practice over CNMC or KKI is for convenience and to save time.

Oh please. Tell that to the poor families whose mom and dad are struggling to keep the family aflloat with multiple jobs. Like they have the time/resources for this.

Oh wait! You're right! They can just have the nanny take the kid!

Yes, even for "free" testing at CNMC and KKI, someone will have to take time off of work and provide transportation to get the kid to the testing. More reasons why jobs should provide reasonable leave for their employees and a livable wage.

Did you know that prior to Obamacare there was no mandate for insurance companies to cover the cost of prosthetic devices? There were also lifetime caps on prosthesis, so a parent could have the choice of providing their child with a fitted prosthetic now or wait for their child to finish growing before getting them a good prosthetic. Most people look at situations like these and feel like the right answer would be to make sure that medical insurance does pay for adequate prosthesis for individuals at all stages of their life -- after all, this is what medical insurance is for. It's only someone like you that looks at a situation like this and chooses to shame someone who is fortunate enough to be able to afford to pay for their medical care and claim they should have their expensive prosthesis taken away because it's an unfair advantage over poor amputees. I mean, it is interesting that the Special Olympics sprinters beat the pants off of the regular Olympics sprinters, but taking away their racing prosthesis doesn't make the regular Olympics sprinters any faster.

Accessing medical care that is covered my medical insurance or by Medicaid doesn't still require a person to get themselves to the medical care. This is the same for evaluating someone for Autism as it is for filling cavities.

LD testing are not generally covered by medical insurance. They take that tack that it is an educational diagnosis and not a medical one. Conversely, many school systems will not diagnose specific LDs because they feel it is a medical diagnosis and not an educational one. Many of us are caught in a Catch 22.

And many in this country do not have any health insurance. That does not mean those with insurance should not expect to have access to excellent healthcare.

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Anonymous wrote:If psychologists tested the entire population of students who score at or above the 80th percentile rank on the SAT, the majority of the students would come out with at least one processing area that was lower than the others since most people have a profile of strengths and weaknesses. An articulate psychologist can then write that up justifying extra time.

If your Verbal IQ, Fluid Reasoning, and Visual Spatial ability are above the 80th percentile rank, you have
a higher chance of having lower processing speed (and it is 2 different 2 minute tests - so 4 minutes in total) due to regression toward the mean and the fact that processing speed does not correlate as strongly into overall intelligence. So someone could sneeze, be cautious, double check their work and their processing speed goes down- but that is good for extra time on the SAT.

I think I mentioned this earlier on this thread, but slow processing on its own does not get considered for accommodations on the SAT or ACT. There must be some other condition present such as ADHD or dyslexia. Just because a kid tests and exhibits below average processing does not mean he will be granted extended time. Slow processing speed is one possible symptom of a condition, but slow processing on its own is not a diagnosis that will get your kid extra time on a test.

That is why people pay the 3 to 5,000 dollars for a complete evaluation where they administer 40 to 50 subtests of various cognitive assessments. Most kids are going to score low in an area. Then have a parent rate their child as inattentive- seriously the criteria for ADHD is so vague - it is 6 characteristics such as:
1) often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli (what kid with a smart phone isn't easily distracted by constant texts - I am as an adult)
2 often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly ( I tell my kids 100 times to pick up their shoes, clothes, brush their teeth, turn off the tv, etc.)
3) Often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort -e.g., schoolwork or homework ( my kids dislike homework and are reluctant to independently come home and begin homework.

You can diagnosis shop if you have the money. This is why
The College Board received (and approved 85 percent of) around 80,000 accommodation requests in 2010-11 and 160,000 requests in 2015-16!
So in five years the number doubled!

Parent assessment alone is not used to diagnose ADHD. A lot of weight is put on teachers' assessments and the doctor's observations during testing. And as a parent, if you are that desperate to get your kid a leg up that you would fake an ADHD diagnosis, that is extremely low. There are horrible people out there, but just because some game the system doesn't mean the benefits should be taken away from those who truly need it.

And yet NO poor kids are getting this benefit. These are all rich, privileged, mostly white kids getting these benefits for their kids. Remember that when you knock ‘affirmative action’ programs in college with this same passionate vitriol. Your kids are receiving all sorts of benefits and entitlements that you aren’t acknowledging.

What are you talking about? Of course poor kids can be diagnosed with ADHD, ASD, Learning Disabilities, etc. and receive IEPs or 504s.

If you can't afford $3k-$5k out of pocket, you just go to CNMC or KKI and receive a similar comprehensive evaluation from a trained neuropsychologist. The only real reason to go with a private practice over CNMC or KKI is for convenience and to save time.

Oh please. Tell that to the poor families whose mom and dad are struggling to keep the family aflloat with multiple jobs. Like they have the time/resources for this.

Oh wait! You're right! They can just have the nanny take the kid!

Yes, even for "free" testing at CNMC and KKI, someone will have to take time off of work and provide transportation to get the kid to the testing. More reasons why jobs should provide reasonable leave for their employees and a livable wage.

Did you know that prior to Obamacare there was no mandate for insurance companies to cover the cost of prosthetic devices? There were also lifetime caps on prosthesis, so a parent could have the choice of providing their child with a fitted prosthetic now or wait for their child to finish growing before getting them a good prosthetic. Most people look at situations like these and feel like the right answer would be to make sure that medical insurance does pay for adequate prosthesis for individuals at all stages of their life -- after all, this is what medical insurance is for. It's only someone like you that looks at a situation like this and chooses to shame someone who is fortunate enough to be able to afford to pay for their medical care and claim they should have their expensive prosthesis taken away because it's an unfair advantage over poor amputees. I mean, it is interesting that the Special Olympics sprinters beat the pants off of the regular Olympics sprinters, but taking away their racing prosthesis doesn't make the regular Olympics sprinters any faster.

Accessing medical care that is covered my medical insurance or by Medicaid doesn't still require a person to get themselves to the medical care. This is the same for evaluating someone for Autism as it is for filling cavities.

LD testing are not generally covered by medical insurance. They take that tack that it is an educational diagnosis and not a medical one. Conversely, many school systems will not diagnose specific LDs because they feel it is a medical diagnosis and not an educational one. Many of us are caught in a Catch 22.

And many in this country do not have any health insurance. That does not mean those with insurance should not expect to have access to excellent healthcare.

. I think you are on the wrong thread.

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Unless you are in a private prep school w lots of wealthy families, you have no idea the amount of gaming to get extended time and/or calculators going on for their kids. You have absolutely no idea how the whole system favors and tilts toward the wealthy.

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Anonymous wrote:Unless you are in a private prep school w lots of wealthy families, you have no idea the amount of gaming to get extended time and/or calculators going on for their kids. You have absolutely no idea how the whole system favors and tilts toward the wealthy.

This is not news.

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Anonymous wrote:Unless you are in a private prep school w lots of wealthy families, you have no idea the amount of gaming to get extended time and/or calculators going on for their kids. You have absolutely no idea how the whole system favors and tilts toward the wealthy.

Sorry, but you do realize that everything the world has to offer favors the wealthy. It's just how it works. Health care, education, jobs, housing, you name it. I still think wealthy people have every right to access to what they are able to pay for (i.e. a diagnosis for a LD), as long as it is legit. And you can bet the majority of diagnoses and accommodations are legitimate -- otherwise College Board and ACT would not be in business. Sorry, but your mediocre kid will have to compete against my very bright LD kid with extended time. He will probably blow him out of the water even without the time frankly lol!!!