Wall Street Journal on rampant growth in percentage of college students with “disabilities”

[Anonymous]

It's offensive to see accommodation for disabilities compared to "cheating" when there is so little discussion of real cheating that is rampant on campus.

I have personal knowledge of students at an Ivy League school who pay other students to write their papers - with payment depending on the grade. A Reuters investigation uncovered systematic cheating on an "industrial scale" -

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/college-cheating-iowa/

[Anonymous]

I'm a teacher and I have a student whose accommodation is that she never has to turn anything in on time. Ever. Won't she make a great employee someday? Just hope you're not the one who has to stay late and pick up the slack when she requests yet another extension.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher and I have a student whose accommodation is that she never has to turn anything in on time. Ever. Won't she make a great employee someday? Just hope you're not the one who has to stay late and pick up the slack when she requests yet another extension.

You don't say what level of school you teach, but I'd expect that over time you'll learn that students mature and overcome disabilities with time and patience. I would never write a high school student off for life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher and I have a student whose accommodation is that she never has to turn anything in on time. Ever. Won't she make a great employee someday? Just hope you're not the one who has to stay late and pick up the slack when she requests yet another extension.

What sort of terrible teacher thinks a child is as capable as she will ever be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher and I have a student whose accommodation is that she never has to turn anything in on time. Ever. Won't she make a great employee someday? Just hope you're not the one who has to stay late and pick up the slack when she requests yet another extension.

It isn't just at work. How is she going to pay bills on time? It is a ridiculous accommodation that is set to g her up to fail in life. Why not 50% of assignments can be late, why every single assignment? Turning everything in late just adds needless stress.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A reader. A scribe. Etc. What kind of career would ever allow for such accomodations? Will your child become a judge who can',t reAd and write? An elementary teacher who can't read? A journalist who can't write? Hard to understand this?

You are clueless. There are lots of interventions people use every day in their jobs that you may or may not realize they are using. There is a very famous lawyer who is dyslexic. He can read, but I would imagine it takes longer. In interviews, he has mentioned that he does to use notes at trial. He memorizes everything. So yes, it is indeed possible.

Oh, and by the way, want to know the one thing I do NOT do everyday at work? Take tests!!! Someone's ability to take a test without accommodations has nothing to do with their ability to do a job. The tests are a rough guess of how someone might do in college. Plenty of kids with LDs do just great in college (and after), despite getting accommodations on tests.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher and I have a student whose accommodation is that she never has to turn anything in on time. Ever. Won't she make a great employee someday? Just hope you're not the one who has to stay late and pick up the slack when she requests yet another extension.

You sound horrible. Hope you are not at my child's school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A reader. A scribe. Etc. What kind of career would ever allow for such accomodations? Will your child become a judge who can',t reAd and write? An elementary teacher who can't read? A journalist who can't write? Hard to understand this?

You are clueless. There are lots of interventions people use every day in their jobs that you may or may not realize they are using. There is a very famous lawyer who is dyslexic. He can read, but I would imagine it takes longer. In interviews, he has mentioned that he does to use notes at trial. He memorizes everything. So yes, it is indeed possible.

Oh, and by the way, want to know the one thing I do NOT do everyday at work? Take tests!!! Someone's ability to take a test without accommodations has nothing to do with their ability to do a job. The tests are a rough guess of how someone might do in college. Plenty of kids with LDs do just great in college (and after), despite getting accommodations on tests.

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[Anonymous]

This video helps explain why we should not exclude people

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisNews/videos/2046138535476260/UzpfSTE1ODQ3NDEyNDMzNzAxNTo4OTg3MjUwOTY5Nzg1Nzc/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher and I have a student whose accommodation is that she never has to turn anything in on time. Ever. Won't she make a great employee someday? Just hope you're not the one who has to stay late and pick up the slack when she requests yet another extension.

It isn't just at work. How is she going to pay bills on time? It is a ridiculous accommodation that is set to g her up to fail in life. Why not 50% of assignments can be late, why every single assignment? Turning everything in late just adds needless stress.

There are these things called computers. They have this thing where you can have your bills automatically paid on time every month. You can set your credit cards to automatically pay the balance (or whatever amount you configure) on time every month. If you use a store charge card, you can frequently just pay it off when you're still in the store or you can hop onto your bank app and set up a bill pay for the amount to occur a couple of days before the billing date. The problem with people like you is that you think your way of doing thing is the only possible way of doing things yet here I list several ways someone with severe ADHD can (and do!) have perfect on-time payments.

(Btw, frequently having an IEP that specifies no assignment due dates is either severe anxiety triggered by the stress of due dates or it's because the child is in and out of the hospital so much, there is no ability to predict when they'll need extra time.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A reader. A scribe. Etc. What kind of career would ever allow for such accomodations? Will your child become a judge who can',t reAd and write? An elementary teacher who can't read? A journalist who can't write? Hard to understand this?

You are clueless. There are lots of interventions people use every day in their jobs that you may or may not realize they are using. There is a very famous lawyer who is dyslexic. He can read, but I would imagine it takes longer. In interviews, he has mentioned that he does to use notes at trial. He memorizes everything. So yes, it is indeed possible.

Oh, and by the way, want to know the one thing I do NOT do everyday at work? Take tests!!! Someone's ability to take a test without accommodations has nothing to do with their ability to do a job. The tests are a rough guess of how someone might do in college. Plenty of kids with LDs do just great in college (and after), despite getting accommodations on tests.

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And there are plenty of successful, even famous, writers with dyslexia. Dyslexia is over-represented among entrepreneurs ... possibly because they are more used to perseverance and out of the box thinking. Charles Schwab is one of these "failures" that you're talking about that "can't read". He barely made it through school. If only I could "fail" like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher and I have a student whose accommodation is that she never has to turn anything in on time. Ever. Won't she make a great employee someday? Just hope you're not the one who has to stay late and pick up the slack when she requests yet another extension.

You sound horrible. Hope you are not at my child's school.

I'm a professor, and I will end up with--and have ended up with--the HS student who can't turn in a paper on time. I totally empathize with the teacher who posted. Far from thinking that this teacher is horrible, I would think long and hard as a parent about the necessity of certain accommodations. Parents are not doing their kids favors in the long term by maximizing the number of accommodations they think their child may qualify for. I also worry that parents are unintentionally destroying the confidence of their own kids. Call me a horrible professor, but the fact of the matter is that there is something terribly wrong with the way in which we are raising our children such that getting a paper done on time, even after they have had a month to write it, is causing so much stress and anxiety that it can't be done without drugs or an extension.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher and I have a student whose accommodation is that she never has to turn anything in on time. Ever. Won't she make a great employee someday? Just hope you're not the one who has to stay late and pick up the slack when she requests yet another extension.

You sound horrible. Hope you are not at my child's school.

I'm a professor, and I will end up with--and have ended up with--the HS student who can't turn in a paper on time. I totally empathize with the teacher who posted. Far from thinking that this teacher is horrible, I would think long and hard as a parent about the necessity of certain accommodations. Parents are not doing their kids favors in the long term by maximizing the number of accommodations they think their child may qualify for. I also worry that parents are unintentionally destroying the confidence of their own kids. Call me a horrible professor, but the fact of the matter is that there is something terribly wrong with the way in which we are raising our children such that getting a paper done on time, even after they have had a month to write it, is causing so much stress and anxiety that it can't be done without drugs or an extension.

As a parent, I can tell you why we had that accommodation.

My kid had medical issues that would cause him to miss school for a week or two. MCPS was adamant that there was no requirement that teachers post assignments, or email assignments while he was out. So he would return on Monday, to find out that there was an assignment due Wednesday that the other kids had known about for a week. The teacher would then tell him that he could only pick up the assignment at lunch time, but when he'd show up to do just that, he'd find that the teacher had gone off to purchase lunch etc . . . Waiting wasn't an option, because he'd also need to make up 2 tests and pick up assignments from 3 other teachers during the same lunch period, and attend math tutoring because he didn't understand the material that he'd missed. This was all while still recovering from a serious medical episode.

As to why not 50%, I can't imagine how that would work. Who would choose which 50%?

[Anonymous]

A different point of view: as a parent I would want to know how my child preforms compared to his classmates. No sugar-coating. No "modified" grades. I want to know what he has achieved, and know that he is on grade level. I want to know how he compares to his classmate. If he gets a C, it's a C. A real C. Now we know. If it's lower than that, we need to know. We make decisions going forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A different point of view: as a parent I would want to know how my child preforms compared to his classmates. No sugar-coating. No "modified" grades. I want to know what he has achieved, and know that he is on grade level. I want to know how he compares to his classmate. If he gets a C, it's a C. A real C. Now we know. If it's lower than that, we need to know. We make decisions going forward.

To my knowledge, there are no modified grades in college.