Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why didnt the judget tell el salavador to send him back, she thinks she can do anything. Why not order other foreign nations to do things?

El Salvador can send him back the second they are asked to by the US government. He is not there as a Salvadoran citizen. He did not commit crimes in El Salvador. He is in the jail because he was sent there by the US government--and they are paying to keep him there. Apparently, the Salvadoran president is happy to house anyone the US sends to CECOT regardless of whether they have received due process or not. He jails his own people without due process.

The judiciary can’t force Trump to ask anything of a foreign power. That’s crystal clear in scotus precedent and in the constitution. If Trump for any reason feels it’s not in the nation’s best interest to pursue this further that’s his prerogative as chief executive and not judiciable, and he is asked and was rebuffed, he isn’t obligated to explain that to a district judge as per privilege.

So what you are saying is the that the president can do whatever he wants and is effectively a “king”?? Even the conservative Reagan circuit court judge is worried about trump flagrantly breaking the law and deporting US citizens to El Salvador. Your view on this is so wildly out of step with the courts it is nonsensical.

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You act as if this appeals court has never been overturned!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those that don't want to read, DOJ loses again with another trip to the woodshed to be spanked.

Will this administration and its supporters ever concede the fact that Trump is NOT a king?

Sad irony is that the DOJ was once considered the world's greatest litigation firm. Today, it would get its a** handed to them by Jacoby and Myers.

SCOTUS determines this not the appeals court.

SCOTUS will rule again against the Trump administration

Trump wins at SCOTUS more than he loses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those that don't want to read, DOJ loses again with another trip to the woodshed to be spanked.

Will this administration and its supporters ever concede the fact that Trump is NOT a king?

Sad irony is that the DOJ was once considered the world's greatest litigation firm. Today, it would get its a** handed to them by Jacoby and Myers.

SCOTUS determines this not the appeals court.

You are actually funny. So you’ll concede Trump is not king when the Supreme Court upholds the 4th circuit?

I never alleged Trump is king so not sure where you are getting that from. ? The point is that this is heading back to SCOTUS and doesn’t stop at the appeals court, the same one that lost at scotus for the AEA ruling among other times they have been overturned.

SCOTUS isn’t going to mandate that the president engage in specific foreign policy acts and report that to a district judge.

Good thing the judge didn’t require the president to engage in specific foreign policy acts then

She absolutely did with her expansion of the definition of facilitate beyond its typical use in immigration aka dictating specific actions with the president of ES to effectuate his release, and for the court’s intrusive discovery mandates. Read the court docs - they are all online. District judge can’t force any specific engagement with a foreign power as per extensive case law.

Read the 4th Circuit appellate decision. Wilkinson is a conservative Reagan appointee. The government got trashed.

That’s one step on the way to SCOTUS not the final word on this - you realize that right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those that don't want to read, DOJ loses again with another trip to the woodshed to be spanked.

Will this administration and its supporters ever concede the fact that Trump is NOT a king?

Sad irony is that the DOJ was once considered the world's greatest litigation firm. Today, it would get its a** handed to them by Jacoby and Myers.

SCOTUS determines this not the appeals court.

SCOTUS will rule again against the Trump administration

Trump wins at SCOTUS more than he loses.

You think the Supreme Court is going to rule against their previous order?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why didnt the judget tell el salavador to send him back, she thinks she can do anything. Why not order other foreign nations to do things?

El Salvador can send him back the second they are asked to by the US government. He is not there as a Salvadoran citizen. He did not commit crimes in El Salvador. He is in the jail because he was sent there by the US government--and they are paying to keep him there. Apparently, the Salvadoran president is happy to house anyone the US sends to CECOT regardless of whether they have received due process or not. He jails his own people without due process.

The judiciary can’t force Trump to ask anything of a foreign power. That’s crystal clear in scotus precedent and in the constitution. If Trump for any reason feels it’s not in the nation’s best interest to pursue this further that’s his prerogative as chief executive and not judiciable, and he is asked and was rebuffed, he isn’t obligated to explain that to a district judge as per privilege.

So what you are saying is the that the president can do whatever he wants and is effectively a “king”?? Even the conservative Reagan circuit court judge is worried about trump flagrantly breaking the law and deporting US citizens to El Salvador. Your view on this is so wildly out of step with the courts it is nonsensical.

The president can be impeached and the people can refuse to re elect him.

Do you think a judiciary is king? Boasberg for example is a low district judge who is trying to put Trump in contempt for a case he never had jurisdiction over according to SCOTUS. Where is your outrage over this judge even being involved in that case at this point?

There are two cases. Abrego's case. The contempt case. That's why he still has jurisdiction. It is the contempt portion only.

The Supreme Court has held that you MUST abideby a court order even if that order is later founf to be invalid by a court of appeals. You may not decide to ignore the order and hope you win on appeal. This is black letter law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those that don't want to read, DOJ loses again with another trip to the woodshed to be spanked.

Will this administration and its supporters ever concede the fact that Trump is NOT a king?

Sad irony is that the DOJ was once considered the world's greatest litigation firm. Today, it would get its a** handed to them by Jacoby and Myers.

SCOTUS determines this not the appeals court.

You are actually funny. So you’ll concede Trump is not king when the Supreme Court upholds the 4th circuit?

I never alleged Trump is king so not sure where you are getting that from. ? The point is that this is heading back to SCOTUS and doesn’t stop at the appeals court, the same one that lost at scotus for the AEA ruling among other times they have been overturned.

SCOTUS isn’t going to mandate that the president engage in specific foreign policy acts and report that to a district judge.

Good thing the judge didn’t require the president to engage in specific foreign policy acts then

She absolutely did with her expansion of the definition of facilitate beyond its typical use in immigration aka dictating specific actions with the president of ES to effectuate his release, and for the court’s intrusive discovery mandates. Read the court docs - they are all online. District judge can’t force any specific engagement with a foreign power as per extensive case law.

Read the 4th Circuit appellate decision. Wilkinson is a conservative Reagan appointee. The government got trashed.

That’s one step on the way to SCOTUS not the final word on this - you realize that right?

For something this basic, about the general powers of the court, the government is going to lose. There is zero chance the SC will say that the government can ignore court orders. The proper remedy is to appeal them. You realize that right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those that don't want to read, DOJ loses again with another trip to the woodshed to be spanked.

Will this administration and its supporters ever concede the fact that Trump is NOT a king?

Sad irony is that the DOJ was once considered the world's greatest litigation firm. Today, it would get its a** handed to them by Jacoby and Myers.

SCOTUS determines this not the appeals court.

You are actually funny. So you’ll concede Trump is not king when the Supreme Court upholds the 4th circuit?

I never alleged Trump is king so not sure where you are getting that from. ? The point is that this is heading back to SCOTUS and doesn’t stop at the appeals court, the same one that lost at scotus for the AEA ruling among other times they have been overturned.

SCOTUS isn’t going to mandate that the president engage in specific foreign policy acts and report that to a district judge.

Good thing the judge didn’t require the president to engage in specific foreign policy acts then

She absolutely did with her expansion of the definition of facilitate beyond its typical use in immigration aka dictating specific actions with the president of ES to effectuate his release, and for the court’s intrusive discovery mandates. Read the court docs - they are all online. District judge can’t force any specific engagement with a foreign power as per extensive case law.

If he is in El Salvador because the US is paying for him to be jailed there, then the court is giving orders about contracts not foreign policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why didnt the judget tell el salavador to send him back, she thinks she can do anything. Why not order other foreign nations to do things?

El Salvador can send him back the second they are asked to by the US government. He is not there as a Salvadoran citizen. He did not commit crimes in El Salvador. He is in the jail because he was sent there by the US government--and they are paying to keep him there. Apparently, the Salvadoran president is happy to house anyone the US sends to CECOT regardless of whether they have received due process or not. He jails his own people without due process.

What if the US is not paying him, and they just deported him as an illegal immigrant from El Salvador?
He was not on the plane with the Venezuelans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why didnt the judget tell el salavador to send him back, she thinks she can do anything. Why not order other foreign nations to do things?

El Salvador can send him back the second they are asked to by the US government. He is not there as a Salvadoran citizen. He did not commit crimes in El Salvador. He is in the jail because he was sent there by the US government--and they are paying to keep him there. Apparently, the Salvadoran president is happy to house anyone the US sends to CECOT regardless of whether they have received due process or not. He jails his own people without due process.

The judiciary can’t force Trump to ask anything of a foreign power. That’s crystal clear in scotus precedent and in the constitution. If Trump for any reason feels it’s not in the nation’s best interest to pursue this further that’s his prerogative as chief executive and not judiciable, and he is asked and was rebuffed, he isn’t obligated to explain that to a district judge as per privilege.

So what you are saying is the that the president can do whatever he wants and is effectively a “king”?? Even the conservative Reagan circuit court judge is worried about trump flagrantly breaking the law and deporting US citizens to El Salvador. Your view on this is so wildly out of step with the courts it is nonsensical.

You know he was never a US citizen right?

If the same thing happened to a US citizen, we would have the same situation. The courts cannot dictate the President engage in foreign policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Deputy Assistant to the President and "Counterterrorism Czar" Sebastian Gorka says anyone advocating for due process for Kilmar Abrego Garcia could be viewed as "aiding and abetting a terrorist" and be federally charged."

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIh8BMXofUc/

This is especially odd coming from Sebastian Gorka, who has ties to a paramilitary group in Hungary. It might have made him ineligible for immigration/ citizenship.

https://nadler.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=392758

I also can't figure out how he got US citizenship. He moved here in 2008, but became a citizen in 2012? You have to be resident for 5 years before you can even apply.

It is three years now. They should move it back to seven.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why didnt the judget tell el salavador to send him back, she thinks she can do anything. Why not order other foreign nations to do things?

El Salvador can send him back the second they are asked to by the US government. He is not there as a Salvadoran citizen. He did not commit crimes in El Salvador. He is in the jail because he was sent there by the US government--and they are paying to keep him there. Apparently, the Salvadoran president is happy to house anyone the US sends to CECOT regardless of whether they have received due process or not. He jails his own people without due process.

The judiciary can’t force Trump to ask anything of a foreign power. That’s crystal clear in scotus precedent and in the constitution. If Trump for any reason feels it’s not in the nation’s best interest to pursue this further that’s his prerogative as chief executive and not judiciable, and he is asked and was rebuffed, he isn’t obligated to explain that to a district judge as per privilege.

So what you are saying is the that the president can do whatever he wants and is effectively a “king”?? Even the conservative Reagan circuit court judge is worried about trump flagrantly breaking the law and deporting US citizens to El Salvador. Your view on this is so wildly out of step with the courts it is nonsensical.

The president can be impeached and the people can refuse to re elect him.

Do you think a judiciary is king? Boasberg for example is a low district judge who is trying to put Trump in contempt for a case he never had jurisdiction over according to SCOTUS. Where is your outrage over this judge even being involved in that case at this point?

There are two cases. Abrego's case. The contempt case. That's why he still has jurisdiction. It is the contempt portion only.

The Supreme Court has held that you MUST abideby a court order even if that order is later founf to be invalid by a court of appeals. You may not decide to ignore the order and hope you win on appeal. This is black letter law.

For a regular client. For the President when it involves a court stepping on his executive powers, not so simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why didnt the judget tell el salavador to send him back, she thinks she can do anything. Why not order other foreign nations to do things?

El Salvador can send him back the second they are asked to by the US government. He is not there as a Salvadoran citizen. He did not commit crimes in El Salvador. He is in the jail because he was sent there by the US government--and they are paying to keep him there. Apparently, the Salvadoran president is happy to house anyone the US sends to CECOT regardless of whether they have received due process or not. He jails his own people without due process.

The judiciary can’t force Trump to ask anything of a foreign power. That’s crystal clear in scotus precedent and in the constitution. If Trump for any reason feels it’s not in the nation’s best interest to pursue this further that’s his prerogative as chief executive and not judiciable, and he is asked and was rebuffed, he isn’t obligated to explain that to a district judge as per privilege.

So what you are saying is the that the president can do whatever he wants and is effectively a “king”?? Even the conservative Reagan circuit court judge is worried about trump flagrantly breaking the law and deporting US citizens to El Salvador. Your view on this is so wildly out of step with the courts it is nonsensical.

You know he was never a US citizen right?

If the same thing happened to a US citizen, we would have the same situation. The courts cannot dictate the President engage in foreign policy.

It’s batshit crazy to believe that the president can secretly ship someone out of the country against their will and rights, then refuse to return them, saying it’s foreign policy.

Listen to yourself.

[Anonymous]

is there any chance this guy really has ties to MS-13? If he does we are f'd. I really hope this claim was fully investigated before democrats started doubling down on the situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:is there any chance this guy really has ties to MS-13? If he does we are f'd. I really hope this claim was fully investigated before democrats started doubling down on the situation.

here's documentation https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline=

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:is there any chance this guy really has ties to MS-13? If he does we are f'd. I really hope this claim was fully investigated before democrats started doubling down on the situation.

here's documentation https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline=

Terrorists dont always have the same "due process" rights as a run of the mill unlawfully present alien.