2024 JonBenet Documentary

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Motive is a red herring. If she wrote the note, no intruder committed the crime, which means she or the kid did it, because John was passed out from a sleeping pill.

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Anonymous wrote:Motive is a red herring. If she wrote the note, no intruder committed the crime, which means she or the kid did it, because John was passed out from a sleeping pill.

Handwriting experts don’t agree she wrote the note.

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Anonymous wrote:IF one of the parents was on Ambien, it could have been an accident initially. My mother almost burned the house down on Ambien and was swatting at the flames with a long rod.

Didn’t John say he took a sleeping pill and went to bed?!

He said he took melatonin

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Anonymous wrote:Motive is a red herring. If she wrote the note, no intruder committed the crime, which means she or the kid did it, because John was passed out from a sleeping pill.

Handwriting experts don’t agree she wrote the note.

B.S. https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/188slcd/the_ransom_note_comparison_original_vs_patsy/

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It reads like she wrote the note with her off hand. She was ambidextrous.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how all the wild conspiracy theorists ignore the most compelling piece of evidence:
It's clear as day the mom wrote the fake ransom note. You can cling to all the other crap and distract yourself and everyone else with crap. She wrote that note.

She had no motive to do any of this. That’s the problem.

That's why I think Burke killed his sister. The parents found the girl dead at Burke's hands. They staged the scene to cover up for Burke.

There was no staging. The girl died from a combination of blunt force trauma to the head, but she was alive when the sex abuse happened because she bled and she was alive when the strangulation happened.

Could the family have done it? Sure. But there was no staging - somebody tortured and murdered this child.

That’s the problem I had with Steve Thomas’s explanation of Patsy getting upset and accidentally killing her completely ignores. The fact the sex abuse happened when she was alive and the strangulation happened when she was a lot to me that means he is just completely discredited.

He may be right that the family did it, but they didn’t stage it to cover up another type of murder. How she was murdered was how she was murdered.

The coroner stated that she was alive but unconscious when she was assaulted with the paintbrush and ultimately strangled. The paintbrush injuries occurred very near to her death from strangulation.

Presumably whomever found her, found her strangled to death and would not have known there was a brain injury as the coroner stated that they were surprised to find it and there were no externally visible head injuries.

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An intruder but the boulder police messed up and so they wanted to pin it on the family

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How does a coroner know exactly the order? Like how?

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Anonymous wrote:Motive is a red herring. If she wrote the note, no intruder committed the crime, which means she or the kid did it, because John was passed out from a sleeping pill.

How does writing a note about kidnapping change anything? They called the police first thing anyway. Seems more likely someone else was trying to buy some time.

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Anonymous wrote:How does a coroner know exactly the order? Like how?

Based on how the tissues in the body responded to each thing, sign of movement or struggle , etc

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Anonymous wrote:I love how all the wild conspiracy theorists ignore the most compelling piece of evidence:
It's clear as day the mom wrote the fake ransom note. You can cling to all the other crap and distract yourself and everyone else with crap. She wrote that note.

She had no motive to do any of this. That’s the problem.

She was very theatrical. I can see her doing it in kind of a psychotic haze after accidentally slamming her in the bathroom. That’s always been my main theory. Her prints on the bowl of pineapple alone. Her fabric on the materials used. All her materials. Her note. Jon Benet was cleaned, sounds like a mom. She strangled her without looking. It’s likely the head injury caused seizures and total coma. She may well have thought she was dead. She was apparently in the same clothes as she wore the night before and looked like she’d been up all night. It is indeed very weird but yes, I think it was her.

I've always leaned towards Patsy as well. She was younger than John by 10-15 years. I think he probably treated her like a child and was busy with his career and ignored her but let her do her own thing. They seemed to have an active, almost exhausting, social life. She obviously spent a lot of time and money on JonBenet's pageants. She did things like put her house on the holiday home tour. That's fine, but she gave a vibe of being competitive and wanting to he envied. I think she wanted to show an image of the perfect family. I think probably the reality of kids who were messy and needy drove her crazy. That, plus her near-fatal illness probably drive her over the bend. She seemed really angry in interviews. I thought that she probably went crazy, did it, wrote the note and fooled John. He believed her because he wanted to and she convinced him. The note always seemed like it was written by her, not him, because of much of the phrasing. I think she was probably always duplicitous and hiding her real self behind an image (early on, pageant winner; later, rich doyenne) so she could fake it and at least he believed her. She always said too much and overdid her reactions like liars do. John always had come across as genuinely sad. (I'm sure many will disagree, but those are my impressions.)

On the other hand, the case was botched and so it's impossible to know.

I think this explanation makes a lot of sense, except for the strangulation and sex abuse. If she had just died from head trauma I could see Patsy going crazy and doing it. It is hard for me to also think that she sexually abused and strangled her child while she was still alive that night.

She may well have thought she was dead. It was likely a massive blow, there may well have been seizures. She likely thought she was dead or close to it. She was strangled from behind and the SA is more like staging. So if she was alive it was I guess technically so. She was brain dead and would have died from the head blow. [/quote

I'm sorry, I just can't get past the idea that a mother, who finds her young daughter dead, would- instead of calling 911- would sexually abuse her dead body and set up a murder by torture scene. To cover for her 9 YEAR OLD. No 9 year old is going to jail. Who thinks this way? Particularly under extreme stress, would behave in such a completely diabolical and sociopathic way? Someone like that would have no empathy for anyone, including her son. So why would this sociopath worry about protecting a 9 year old? Like, this makes no damn sense at all.

I don’t think she was covering for a 9 year old. I think she did it. The whole thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how all the wild conspiracy theorists ignore the most compelling piece of evidence:
It's clear as day the mom wrote the fake ransom note. You can cling to all the other crap and distract yourself and everyone else with crap. She wrote that note.

She had no motive to do any of this. That’s the problem.

She was very theatrical. I can see her doing it in kind of a psychotic haze after accidentally slamming her in the bathroom. That’s always been my main theory. Her prints on the bowl of pineapple alone. Her fabric on the materials used. All her materials. Her note. Jon Benet was cleaned, sounds like a mom. She strangled her without looking. It’s likely the head injury caused seizures and total coma. She may well have thought she was dead. She was apparently in the same clothes as she wore the night before and looked like she’d been up all night. It is indeed very weird but yes, I think it was her.

I've always leaned towards Patsy as well. She was younger than John by 10-15 years. I think he probably treated her like a child and was busy with his career and ignored her but let her do her own thing. They seemed to have an active, almost exhausting, social life. She obviously spent a lot of time and money on JonBenet's pageants. She did things like put her house on the holiday home tour. That's fine, but she gave a vibe of being competitive and wanting to he envied. I think she wanted to show an image of the perfect family. I think probably the reality of kids who were messy and needy drove her crazy. That, plus her near-fatal illness probably drive her over the bend. She seemed really angry in interviews. I thought that she probably went crazy, did it, wrote the note and fooled John. He believed her because he wanted to and she convinced him. The note always seemed like it was written by her, not him, because of much of the phrasing. I think she was probably always duplicitous and hiding her real self behind an image (early on, pageant winner; later, rich doyenne) so she could fake it and at least he believed her. She always said too much and overdid her reactions like liars do. John always had come across as genuinely sad. (I'm sure many will disagree, but those are my impressions.)

On the other hand, the case was botched and so it's impossible to know.

I think this explanation makes a lot of sense, except for the strangulation and sex abuse. If she had just died from head trauma I could see Patsy going crazy and doing it. It is hard for me to also think that she sexually abused and strangled her child while she was still alive that night.

She may well have thought she was dead. It was likely a massive blow, there may well have been seizures. She likely thought she was dead or close to it. She was strangled from behind and the SA is more like staging. So if she was alive it was I guess technically so. She was brain dead and would have died from the head blow.

This is getting into crazy territory. Totally illogical.

Yes so craaaaazy it’s what most of the investigators and the grand jury thought. When you hear hooves, think horses not zebras. It is basically conclusively determined that she wrote the note. Nobody serious disputes that. So how do you fit that in.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how all the wild conspiracy theorists ignore the most compelling piece of evidence:
It's clear as day the mom wrote the fake ransom note. You can cling to all the other crap and distract yourself and everyone else with crap. She wrote that note.

She had no motive to do any of this. That’s the problem.

She was very theatrical. I can see her doing it in kind of a psychotic haze after accidentally slamming her in the bathroom. That’s always been my main theory. Her prints on the bowl of pineapple alone. Her fabric on the materials used. All her materials. Her note. Jon Benet was cleaned, sounds like a mom. She strangled her without looking. It’s likely the head injury caused seizures and total coma. She may well have thought she was dead. She was apparently in the same clothes as she wore the night before and looked like she’d been up all night. It is indeed very weird but yes, I think it was her.

I've always leaned towards Patsy as well. She was younger than John by 10-15 years. I think he probably treated her like a child and was busy with his career and ignored her but let her do her own thing. They seemed to have an active, almost exhausting, social life. She obviously spent a lot of time and money on JonBenet's pageants. She did things like put her house on the holiday home tour. That's fine, but she gave a vibe of being competitive and wanting to he envied. I think she wanted to show an image of the perfect family. I think probably the reality of kids who were messy and needy drove her crazy. That, plus her near-fatal illness probably drive her over the bend. She seemed really angry in interviews. I thought that she probably went crazy, did it, wrote the note and fooled John. He believed her because he wanted to and she convinced him. The note always seemed like it was written by her, not him, because of much of the phrasing. I think she was probably always duplicitous and hiding her real self behind an image (early on, pageant winner; later, rich doyenne) so she could fake it and at least he believed her. She always said too much and overdid her reactions like liars do. John always had come across as genuinely sad. (I'm sure many will disagree, but those are my impressions.)

On the other hand, the case was botched and so it's impossible to know.

I think this explanation makes a lot of sense, except for the strangulation and sex abuse. If she had just died from head trauma I could see Patsy going crazy and doing it. It is hard for me to also think that she sexually abused and strangled her child while she was still alive that night.

She may well have thought she was dead. It was likely a massive blow, there may well have been seizures. She likely thought she was dead or close to it. She was strangled from behind and the SA is more like staging. So if she was alive it was I guess technically so. She was brain dead and would have died from the head blow.

This is getting into crazy territory. Totally illogical.

Yes so craaaaazy it’s what most of the investigators and the grand jury thought. When you hear hooves, think horses not zebras. It is basically conclusively determined that she wrote the note. Nobody serious disputes that. So how do you fit that in.

You’re nuts. It’s not “basically conclusively determined” by any stretch. Handwriting analysis is basically junk science.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how all the wild conspiracy theorists ignore the most compelling piece of evidence:
It's clear as day the mom wrote the fake ransom note. You can cling to all the other crap and distract yourself and everyone else with crap. She wrote that note.

She had no motive to do any of this. That’s the problem.

She was very theatrical. I can see her doing it in kind of a psychotic haze after accidentally slamming her in the bathroom. That’s always been my main theory. Her prints on the bowl of pineapple alone. Her fabric on the materials used. All her materials. Her note. Jon Benet was cleaned, sounds like a mom. She strangled her without looking. It’s likely the head injury caused seizures and total coma. She may well have thought she was dead. She was apparently in the same clothes as she wore the night before and looked like she’d been up all night. It is indeed very weird but yes, I think it was her.

I've always leaned towards Patsy as well. She was younger than John by 10-15 years. I think he probably treated her like a child and was busy with his career and ignored her but let her do her own thing. They seemed to have an active, almost exhausting, social life. She obviously spent a lot of time and money on JonBenet's pageants. She did things like put her house on the holiday home tour. That's fine, but she gave a vibe of being competitive and wanting to he envied. I think she wanted to show an image of the perfect family. I think probably the reality of kids who were messy and needy drove her crazy. That, plus her near-fatal illness probably drive her over the bend. She seemed really angry in interviews. I thought that she probably went crazy, did it, wrote the note and fooled John. He believed her because he wanted to and she convinced him. The note always seemed like it was written by her, not him, because of much of the phrasing. I think she was probably always duplicitous and hiding her real self behind an image (early on, pageant winner; later, rich doyenne) so she could fake it and at least he believed her. She always said too much and overdid her reactions like liars do. John always had come across as genuinely sad. (I'm sure many will disagree, but those are my impressions.)

On the other hand, the case was botched and so it's impossible to know.

I think this explanation makes a lot of sense, except for the strangulation and sex abuse. If she had just died from head trauma I could see Patsy going crazy and doing it. It is hard for me to also think that she sexually abused and strangled her child while she was still alive that night.

She may well have thought she was dead. It was likely a massive blow, there may well have been seizures. She likely thought she was dead or close to it. She was strangled from behind and the SA is more like staging. So if she was alive it was I guess technically so. She was brain dead and would have died from the head blow.

This is getting into crazy territory. Totally illogical.

Yes so craaaaazy it’s what most of the investigators and the grand jury thought. When you hear hooves, think horses not zebras. It is basically conclusively determined that she wrote the note. Nobody serious disputes that. So how do you fit that in.

It is not at all conclusive that she wrote the note. The comparison sample is not that compelling

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Anonymous wrote:I love how all the wild conspiracy theorists ignore the most compelling piece of evidence:
It's clear as day the mom wrote the fake ransom note. You can cling to all the other crap and distract yourself and everyone else with crap. She wrote that note.

She had no motive to do any of this. That’s the problem.

She was very theatrical. I can see her doing it in kind of a psychotic haze after accidentally slamming her in the bathroom. That’s always been my main theory. Her prints on the bowl of pineapple alone. Her fabric on the materials used. All her materials. Her note. Jon Benet was cleaned, sounds like a mom. She strangled her without looking. It’s likely the head injury caused seizures and total coma. She may well have thought she was dead. She was apparently in the same clothes as she wore the night before and looked like she’d been up all night. It is indeed very weird but yes, I think it was her.

I've always leaned towards Patsy as well. She was younger than John by 10-15 years. I think he probably treated her like a child and was busy with his career and ignored her but let her do her own thing. They seemed to have an active, almost exhausting, social life. She obviously spent a lot of time and money on JonBenet's pageants. She did things like put her house on the holiday home tour. That's fine, but she gave a vibe of being competitive and wanting to he envied. I think she wanted to show an image of the perfect family. I think probably the reality of kids who were messy and needy drove her crazy. That, plus her near-fatal illness probably drive her over the bend. She seemed really angry in interviews. I thought that she probably went crazy, did it, wrote the note and fooled John. He believed her because he wanted to and she convinced him. The note always seemed like it was written by her, not him, because of much of the phrasing. I think she was probably always duplicitous and hiding her real self behind an image (early on, pageant winner; later, rich doyenne) so she could fake it and at least he believed her. She always said too much and overdid her reactions like liars do. John always had come across as genuinely sad. (I'm sure many will disagree, but those are my impressions.)

On the other hand, the case was botched and so it's impossible to know.

I think this explanation makes a lot of sense, except for the strangulation and sex abuse. If she had just died from head trauma I could see Patsy going crazy and doing it. It is hard for me to also think that she sexually abused and strangled her child while she was still alive that night.

She may well have thought she was dead. It was likely a massive blow, there may well have been seizures. She likely thought she was dead or close to it. She was strangled from behind and the SA is more like staging. So if she was alive it was I guess technically so. She was brain dead and would have died from the head blow.

This is getting into crazy territory. Totally illogical.

Yes so craaaaazy it’s what most of the investigators and the grand jury thought. When you hear hooves, think horses not zebras. It is basically conclusively determined that she wrote the note. Nobody serious disputes that. So how do you fit that in.

I’m with you, what’s most likely (family hurting their own child) is what mostly happened.