Official Kamala Harris VP Thread

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is down to Bashear and Kelly.

I lean slightly more to Bashear because we seem to like Governors.

Kelly seem like a no brainer.

Navy captain, combat pilot, astronaut and senator.
Temperament and personality appeal in the swing states.
His wife is former Rep. Gabby Giffords, a gun violence survivor (and Jewish). Which is a +2 for swing voters in the swing states.
Comes with his own body double which shoud spawn all sorts of fun conspiracy theories.
Arizona has a Dem Governor so it won't mess up the Senate if Tester and Brown get re-elected.

His main downside is that he's boring. But this is 2024 and the opponent is a narcissistic publicity hound. Boring is a virtue

Did I mention that he's a freaking astronaut?

Kelly has a great resume, no doubt about it. Is there a risk that he would take attention away from Harris? You don’t want the VP to outshine the person at the top of the ticket.

Kelly won’t outshine Harris. He’s boring AF. If we’re going with a boring old white guy go with Cooper. Much stronger in governing.

Apparently NC has a law that whenever Cooper leaves the state, his wackjob Lieutenant becomes acting governor. This would create some complications whenever he hits the campaign trail.
And while Arizona does have a Dem governor, if Kelly leaves his seat there would be a special election in 2026 (otherwise Kelly would be up for re-election in 2028). And an appointed senator would not be nearly as strong a candidate as Kelly himself.
So this is why I think it will be either Beshear or Shapiro.

Shapiro is a hard no due to his stance on Gaza. Secure PA, lose MI. Plus if I were PA resident Id be pissed he jumped ship after 2 years.

So, if she's reading DCUM, she should pick Beshear. We'll see how this goes.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is down to Bashear and Kelly.

I lean slightly more to Bashear because we seem to like Governors.

Kelly seem like a no brainer.

Navy captain, combat pilot, astronaut and senator.
Temperament and personality appeal in the swing states.
His wife is former Rep. Gabby Giffords, a gun violence survivor (and Jewish). Which is a +2 for swing voters in the swing states.
Comes with his own body double which shoud spawn all sorts of fun conspiracy theories.
Arizona has a Dem Governor so it won't mess up the Senate if Tester and Brown get re-elected.

His main downside is that he's boring. But this is 2024 and the opponent is a narcissistic publicity hound. Boring is a virtue

Did I mention that he's a freaking astronaut?

Kelly has a great resume, no doubt about it. Is there a risk that he would take attention away from Harris? You don’t want the VP to outshine the person at the top of the ticket.

Kelly won’t outshine Harris. He’s boring AF. If we’re going with a boring old white guy go with Cooper. Much stronger in governing.

Apparently NC has a law that whenever Cooper leaves the state, his wackjob Lieutenant becomes acting governor. This would create some complications whenever he hits the campaign trail.
And while Arizona does have a Dem governor, if Kelly leaves his seat there would be a special election in 2026 (otherwise Kelly would be up for re-election in 2028). And an appointed senator would not be nearly as strong a candidate as Kelly himself.
So this is why I think it will be either Beshear or Shapiro.

Shapiro is a hard no due to his stance on Gaza. Secure PA, lose MI. Plus if I were PA resident Id be pissed he jumped ship after 2 years.

If Harris herself is Pro Palestine as DCUM claims and her VP is also Pro Palestine then people will claim antisemitism and will lose votes.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the timeline for this? Do they need a name before the 7th?

My sense is that they’re waiting for Biden’s speech (today?) about dropping out before they announce a VP.

The vetting should not have begun on Monday since rumors have been swirling at least since the debate, so the vetting shouldn’t be the time-consuming issue here. If the vetting *did* only begin within the past few days, that’s concerning.

It’s also possible they’re having a hard time getting someone to say yes.

There are plenty of good candidates parading around screaming choose me. These things take time they have to be properly vetted.

I doubt they’ll make any announcement for the next week.

Astronauts are pretty heavily vetted. There's no need to overthink this. But there's also no need to announce anything early. Let the press continue to speculate.

+1

Vetting is very important, and the Harris campaign will have to make a decision quickly. Once they announce a name, a million Republicans will start digging into his past. And everyone has a history. Kelly has withstood the intense scrutiny of 2 senate elections in a purple state, with incredibly high stakes. I just don’t think it’s the same for governors.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is down to Bashear and Kelly.

I lean slightly more to Bashear because we seem to like Governors.

Kelly seem like a no brainer.

Navy captain, combat pilot, astronaut and senator.
Temperament and personality appeal in the swing states.
His wife is former Rep. Gabby Giffords, a gun violence survivor (and Jewish). Which is a +2 for swing voters in the swing states.
Comes with his own body double which shoud spawn all sorts of fun conspiracy theories.
Arizona has a Dem Governor so it won't mess up the Senate if Tester and Brown get re-elected.

His main downside is that he's boring. But this is 2024 and the opponent is a narcissistic publicity hound. Boring is a virtue

Did I mention that he's a freaking astronaut?

Kelly has a great resume, no doubt about it. Is there a risk that he would take attention away from Harris? You don’t want the VP to outshine the person at the top of the ticket.

Kelly won’t outshine Harris. He’s boring AF. If we’re going with a boring old white guy go with Cooper. Much stronger in governing.

Apparently NC has a law that whenever Cooper leaves the state, his wackjob Lieutenant becomes acting governor. This would create some complications whenever he hits the campaign trail.
And while Arizona does have a Dem governor, if Kelly leaves his seat there would be a special election in 2026 (otherwise Kelly would be up for re-election in 2028). And an appointed senator would not be nearly as strong a candidate as Kelly himself.
So this is why I think it will be either Beshear or Shapiro.

Shapiro is a hard no due to his stance on Gaza. Secure PA, lose MI. Plus if I were PA resident Id be pissed he jumped ship after 2 years.

So, if she's reading DCUM, she should pick Beshear. We'll see how this goes.

Hopefully she's not. Beshear doesn't help with the EC. Kentucky is not WI, MI, PA or AZ. The voters in those states that Beshear appeals to are ungettable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is down to Bashear and Kelly.

I lean slightly more to Bashear because we seem to like Governors.

Kelly seem like a no brainer.

Navy captain, combat pilot, astronaut and senator.
Temperament and personality appeal in the swing states.
His wife is former Rep. Gabby Giffords, a gun violence survivor (and Jewish). Which is a +2 for swing voters in the swing states.
Comes with his own body double which shoud spawn all sorts of fun conspiracy theories.
Arizona has a Dem Governor so it won't mess up the Senate if Tester and Brown get re-elected.

His main downside is that he's boring. But this is 2024 and the opponent is a narcissistic publicity hound. Boring is a virtue

Did I mention that he's a freaking astronaut?

Kelly has a great resume, no doubt about it. Is there a risk that he would take attention away from Harris? You don’t want the VP to outshine the person at the top of the ticket.

Kelly won’t outshine Harris. He’s boring AF. If we’re going with a boring old white guy go with Cooper. Much stronger in governing.

Apparently NC has a law that whenever Cooper leaves the state, his wackjob Lieutenant becomes acting governor. This would create some complications whenever he hits the campaign trail.
And while Arizona does have a Dem governor, if Kelly leaves his seat there would be a special election in 2026 (otherwise Kelly would be up for re-election in 2028). And an appointed senator would not be nearly as strong a candidate as Kelly himself.
So this is why I think it will be either Beshear or Shapiro.

Shapiro is a hard no due to his stance on Gaza[b]. Secure PA, lose MI. Plus if I were PA resident Id be pissed he jumped ship after 2 years.

In other words: he’s a Jew.

Got it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is down to Bashear and Kelly.

I lean slightly more to Bashear because we seem to like Governors.

Kelly seem like a no brainer.

Navy captain, combat pilot, astronaut and senator.
Temperament and personality appeal in the swing states.
His wife is former Rep. Gabby Giffords, a gun violence survivor (and Jewish). Which is a +2 for swing voters in the swing states.
Comes with his own body double which shoud spawn all sorts of fun conspiracy theories.
Arizona has a Dem Governor so it won't mess up the Senate if Tester and Brown get re-elected.

His main downside is that he's boring. But this is 2024 and the opponent is a narcissistic publicity hound. Boring is a virtue

Did I mention that he's a freaking astronaut?

Kelly has a great resume, no doubt about it. Is there a risk that he would take attention away from Harris? You don’t want the VP to outshine the person at the top of the ticket.

Kelly won’t outshine Harris. He’s boring AF. If we’re going with a boring old white guy go with Cooper. Much stronger in governing.

Apparently NC has a law that whenever Cooper leaves the state, his wackjob Lieutenant becomes acting governor. This would create some complications whenever he hits the campaign trail.
And while Arizona does have a Dem governor, if Kelly leaves his seat there would be a special election in 2026 (otherwise Kelly would be up for re-election in 2028). And an appointed senator would not be nearly as strong a candidate as Kelly himself.
So this is why I think it will be either Beshear or Shapiro.

Shapiro is a hard no due to his stance on Gaza. Secure PA, lose MI. Plus if I were PA resident Id be pissed he jumped ship after 2 years.

If Harris herself is Pro Palestine as DCUM claims and her VP is also Pro Palestine then people will claim antisemitism and will lose votes.

Harris isn't pro-Palestine. The US will continue to support Israel, regardless of who is president. The difference will just be around the degree of support and the kind of messaging.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is down to Bashear and Kelly.

I lean slightly more to Bashear because we seem to like Governors.

Kelly seem like a no brainer.

Navy captain, combat pilot, astronaut and senator.
Temperament and personality appeal in the swing states.
His wife is former Rep. Gabby Giffords, a gun violence survivor (and Jewish). Which is a +2 for swing voters in the swing states.
Comes with his own body double which shoud spawn all sorts of fun conspiracy theories.
Arizona has a Dem Governor so it won't mess up the Senate if Tester and Brown get re-elected.

His main downside is that he's boring. But this is 2024 and the opponent is a narcissistic publicity hound. Boring is a virtue

Did I mention that he's a freaking astronaut?

Kelly has a great resume, no doubt about it. Is there a risk that he would take attention away from Harris? You don’t want the VP to outshine the person at the top of the ticket.

Kelly won’t outshine Harris. He’s boring AF. If we’re going with a boring old white guy go with Cooper. Much stronger in governing.

Apparently NC has a law that whenever Cooper leaves the state, his wackjob Lieutenant becomes acting governor. This would create some complications whenever he hits the campaign trail.
And while Arizona does have a Dem governor, if Kelly leaves his seat there would be a special election in 2026 (otherwise Kelly would be up for re-election in 2028). And an appointed senator would not be nearly as strong a candidate as Kelly himself.
So this is why I think it will be either Beshear or Shapiro.

Shapiro is a hard no due to his stance on Gaza[b]. Secure PA, lose MI. Plus if I were PA resident Id be pissed he jumped ship after 2 years.

In other words: he’s a Jew.

Got it.

Only person saying that is you. Lots of Jews (including me) have problems with Israel’s actions in Gaza. Steve Cohen is a Jew and he’s boycotting Bibi’s speech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the timeline for this? Do they need a name before the 7th?

My sense is that they’re waiting for Biden’s speech (today?) about dropping out before they announce a VP.

The vetting should not have begun on Monday since rumors have been swirling at least since the debate, so the vetting shouldn’t be the time-consuming issue here. If the vetting *did* only begin within the past few days, that’s concerning.

It’s also possible they’re having a hard time getting someone to say yes.

There are plenty of good candidates parading around screaming choose me. These things take time they have to be properly vetted.

I doubt they’ll make any announcement for the next week.

Who is parading and screaming and also a smart choice, in your opinion?

Not parading or screaming, but Beshear and Cooper were both on Morning Joe bright and early Monday.

With regard to timing, I just heard an interview with Minnesota governor Tim Walz who said the pick should be in on or before August 7.

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She needs to pick Rashida Tlaib

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Good primer on Shapiro here. Lots of positives, negatives include support for school vouchers and a complaint regarding a staffer’s harassment.
https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2024/07/josh-shapiro-pennsylvania-governor-kamala-harris-accomplishments-joe-biden-vice-president-background/

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What are Beshear's negatives?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is down to Bashear and Kelly.

I lean slightly more to Bashear because we seem to like Governors.

Kelly seem like a no brainer.

Navy captain, combat pilot, astronaut and senator.
Temperament and personality appeal in the swing states.
His wife is former Rep. Gabby Giffords, a gun violence survivor (and Jewish). Which is a +2 for swing voters in the swing states.
Comes with his own body double which shoud spawn all sorts of fun conspiracy theories.
Arizona has a Dem Governor so it won't mess up the Senate if Tester and Brown get re-elected.

His main downside is that he's boring. But this is 2024 and the opponent is a narcissistic publicity hound. Boring is a virtue

Did I mention that he's a freaking astronaut?

Kelly has a great resume, no doubt about it. Is there a risk that he would take attention away from Harris? You don’t want the VP to outshine the person at the top of the ticket.

Kelly won’t outshine Harris. He’s boring AF. If we’re going with a boring old white guy go with Cooper. Much stronger in governing.

Apparently NC has a law that whenever Cooper leaves the state, his wackjob Lieutenant becomes acting governor. This would create some complications whenever he hits the campaign trail.
And while Arizona does have a Dem governor, if Kelly leaves his seat there would be a special election in 2026 (otherwise Kelly would be up for re-election in 2028). And an appointed senator would not be nearly as strong a candidate as Kelly himself.
So this is why I think it will be either Beshear or Shapiro.

Shapiro is a hard no due to his stance on Gaza. Secure PA, lose MI. Plus if I were PA resident Id be pissed he jumped ship after 2 years.

So, if she's reading DCUM, she should pick Beshear. We'll see how this goes.

Hopefully she's not. Beshear doesn't help with the EC. Kentucky is not WI, MI, PA or AZ. The voters in those states that Beshear appeals to are ungettable.

I'm not sure how big a consideration the EC is when picking a running mate in the last 25 years we've had:
Cheney (WY), Lieberman (CT), Edwards (NC, which they lost), Palin (Alaska), Biden (DE), Ryan (WI, which they lost), Kaine (VA), Pence (IN), Harris (CA). Other than the two swing states where the VP candidate couldn't help pull out a victory, the closest thing is Kaine in 2016, when Virginia was no longer up for grabs.

Republicans seem to feel the same way this year - the finalists to be Trump's running mate were from SC, FL and ND before he picked the guy from Ohio. None of those are swing states.

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A couple of news articles say Kelly, Cooper and Shapiro have been asked to submit tax records etc for vetting. Of the 3, Kelly would be my pick. Biden picked up AZ in 2020 by a razor’s edge and Kelly would calm the white men who may find Kamala threatening to their manhood.

Shapiro has been outspoken on the Palestine conflict which is such a polarizing issue. Not sure about Cooper but North Carolina is a less likely pickup for Kamala than Arizona probably.

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Anonymous wrote:A couple of news articles say Kelly, Cooper and Shapiro have been asked to submit tax records etc for vetting. Of the 3, Kelly would be my pick. Biden picked up AZ in 2020 by a razor’s edge and Kelly would calm the white men who may find Kamala threatening to their manhood.

Shapiro has been outspoken on the Palestine conflict which is such a polarizing issue. Not sure about Cooper but North Carolina is a less likely pickup for Kamala than Arizona probably.

NC is likely out of reach this election cycle for Democrats, but is gettable in the future and worth investing in. Obama won it in 08 and it’s been close but just out of reach ever since. It’s not trending in the wrong direction unlike FL or OH.

If Kamala wins out west (AZ and NV) it will be from getting turnout from the “double haters” of both Biden and Trump, people who were unlikely to vote for anyone at all before she entered the race. A lot of those are Hispanic women.

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Anonymous wrote:A couple of news articles say Kelly, Cooper and Shapiro have been asked to submit tax records etc for vetting. Of the 3, Kelly would be my pick. Biden picked up AZ in 2020 by a razor’s edge and Kelly would calm the white men who may find Kamala threatening to their manhood.

Shapiro has been outspoken on the Palestine conflict which is such a polarizing issue. Not sure about Cooper but North Carolina is a less likely pickup for Kamala than Arizona probably.

NC is likely out of reach this election cycle for Democrats, but is gettable in the future and worth investing in. Obama won it in 08 and it’s been close but just out of reach ever since. It’s not trending in the wrong direction unlike FL or OH.

If Kamala wins out west (AZ and NV) it will be from getting turnout from the “double haters” of both Biden and Trump, people who were unlikely to vote for anyone at all before she entered the race. A lot of those are Hispanic women.

Of course. I didn’t say NC was out of reach-particularly with Roy Cooper is chosen as VP. I too remember the day Obama won NC. My point was only that Arizona seems more likely for this election