Can I sue Callie Oettinger?

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Anonymous wrote:Need to get this on the news. If book bans and parents rights make the news, this should. Will be reaching out to every news outlet. This is so ANTI parents rights. Youngkin should go crazy about this and the attorney general for VA as well.


You're right, Callie totally violated parents' rights to determine what information about their child is posted publicly.


Stop selling a false narrative. This is dis-information.


DP. She did have all of the unredacted files and chose what to redact. She chose what information was released without any consent from the parents.


No child specific data was posted. Thanks.


There were some specifics on that link posted.


Oh I see. True, attorneys are someone’s kid too.


There were details about children, including their advocates and attorneys. No parents gave consent for that info to be released.

I can’t believe you’re defending this POS.
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Anonymous wrote:I am sure that this woman tricked the person helping her to get all of this information. That was her goal. She didn’t really go in to just her her data. That is why she will be end up being criminally prosecuted. Because it was her intention all along to steal other peoples data.


Cheeezus you are stupid and you are making statements that are actionable. You know this site can be subpoenaed and your ip address discovered.


LOL. Speaking of stupid.


There is something seriously wrong with you if you support the comments that poster made.


No. I just know how technology works.
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Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.


Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.


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There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.


I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.


No one who specializes in digital privacy is going to help the parents going off like crazy people here. You've misrepresented the facts again and again and some of you come off as if you are mentally ill and are trying to incite a mob to harm another person. Any intelligent professional would immediately identify the problem being the school system. The fact that there are posters identifying themselves as FCPS staff posting ignorant, anti-sns parents diatribes doesn't help.


I personally think an organization who specializes in digital privacy would be very interested in a situation that seems to be the case where a single parent through extensive use of the FOIA process and sloppy data security of a public school system gained access to and doesn't have to release the private data of 35k children. What about that doesn't sound 100% mission-aligned for them? It doesn't matter that some parents who are angry say something on an anonymous forum--what matters is this is a deeply problematic situation that we need to have better laws around and need to explore potential consequences currently available for individuals who take advantage of the lack of data security.


An individual didn't take advantage of the lack of data security.

You keep inserting inflammatory and inaccurate language to try to get a mob behind you. It just makes you look crazy.

The problem in this country is the lack of concern large organizations have for our data and that our lawmakers are doing nothing to look out for us.


DP. She absolutely took advantage of the lack of data security. She still has the files and is using them for her own purposes. Without the consent of the families.

Organizations are a problem. As are individuals like Callie.
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FCPS sped services have been a disaster, I don't know how anyone can defend them. More people like Callie are needed to expose the illegal denial of services and reimbursements
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Anonymous wrote:Thank you families for being angry at Callie's unethical behavior and abuse of FCPS staff and resources. As a special education staff, I experience parents and advocates like her who abuse staff and FCPS resources, and who focus on their own agendas, lie about experiences or staff comments, and treat meetings like war. I hope Callie is sued, punished, and treated horrible because she deserves it. She deserves it for this horrific act and for the way she has treated special education staff for years.

Families, please know that school special education staff deal with parents and advocates like her on a regular basis. These parents and advocates are manipulative, bullies, liars, and immoral. Please fight against the unethical and inappropriate behavior. Thank you for standing against her.

FCPS central office has plenty of issues, and are responsible for their inadvertent leak. Callie is horrific for taking, keeping, and releasing data and for the way she abuses and treats school employees. Only other parents can help establish a culture where the abuse of staff, abuse of FCPS resources. Only other parents can help establish a culture where the status quo of parents lying or distorting their experiences or demanding exceptions to rules for their own gain and agenda are not tolerated.

Signed,
Special education staff about to quit because of the horrible, lying, abusive, entitled, nasty parents that get away with it in FCPS.


If I knew who you were, you would be fired. School staff should not be posting here. You sound horrible.


Fortunately, jerks like you don’t have any actual power. Leave the teachers alone FFS.


I doubt it's the teachers playing defense for fcps.


As a parent involved in my kids’ schools, I see other parents abuse teachers on many occasions.

Leave the teachers alone.

Don’t use info from other families without their consent.
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Anonymous wrote:FCPS sped services have been a disaster, I don't know how anyone can defend them. More people like Callie are needed to expose the illegal denial of services and reimbursements


If she wants to rally up other parents to do this, great. Get their consent.

She should not be exploiting other families’ personal details without their consent and for her own purposes.

It’s abhorrent.
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Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.


Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.


+100

There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.


I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.


No one who specializes in digital privacy is going to help the parents going off like crazy people here. You've misrepresented the facts again and again and some of you come off as if you are mentally ill and are trying to incite a mob to harm another person. Any intelligent professional would immediately identify the problem being the school system. The fact that there are posters identifying themselves as FCPS staff posting ignorant, anti-sns parents diatribes doesn't help.


I personally think an organization who specializes in digital privacy would be very interested in a situation that seems to be the case where a single parent through extensive use of the FOIA process and sloppy data security of a public school system gained access to and doesn't have to release the private data of 35k children. What about that doesn't sound 100% mission-aligned for them? It doesn't matter that some parents who are angry say something on an anonymous forum--what matters is this is a deeply problematic situation that we need to have better laws around and need to explore potential consequences currently available for individuals who take advantage of the lack of data security.


An individual didn't take advantage of the lack of data security.

You keep inserting inflammatory and inaccurate language to try to get a mob behind you. It just makes you look crazy.

The problem in this country is the lack of concern large organizations have for our data and that our lawmakers are doing nothing to look out for us.


This is correct. Callie already won a lawsuit against fcps for this very reason and with their souped up security to ensure a repeat didn’t occur, they voluntarily let her walk out with 35,000 times the amount of students data than she requested. Come on! If I were in charge of fcps, the buck would have stopped with me. I would have checked that data over myself after 10 other experts had already reviewed it. Never ever should have happened.
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Anonymous wrote:FCPS sped services have been a disaster, I don't know how anyone can defend them. More people like Callie are needed to expose the illegal denial of services and reimbursements


If she wants to rally up other parents to do this, great. Get their consent.

She should not be exploiting other families’ personal details without their consent and for her own purposes.

It’s abhorrent.


What is she exploiting, can someone explain, all the documents and posts I've seen are her talking about high level concerns at the school and regional level that dont name anyone specific.
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Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.


Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.


+100

There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.


I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.


No one who specializes in digital privacy is going to help the parents going off like crazy people here. You've misrepresented the facts again and again and some of you come off as if you are mentally ill and are trying to incite a mob to harm another person. Any intelligent professional would immediately identify the problem being the school system. The fact that there are posters identifying themselves as FCPS staff posting ignorant, anti-sns parents diatribes doesn't help.


I personally think an organization who specializes in digital privacy would be very interested in a situation that seems to be the case where a single parent through extensive use of the FOIA process and sloppy data security of a public school system gained access to and doesn't have to release the private data of 35k children. What about that doesn't sound 100% mission-aligned for them? It doesn't matter that some parents who are angry say something on an anonymous forum--what matters is this is a deeply problematic situation that we need to have better laws around and need to explore potential consequences currently available for individuals who take advantage of the lack of data security.


An individual didn't take advantage of the lack of data security.

You keep inserting inflammatory and inaccurate language to try to get a mob behind you. It just makes you look crazy.

The problem in this country is the lack of concern large organizations have for our data and that our lawmakers are doing nothing to look out for us.


This is correct. Callie already won a lawsuit against fcps for this very reason and with their souped up security to ensure a repeat didn’t occur, they voluntarily let her walk out with 35,000 times the amount of students data than she requested. Come on! If I were in charge of fcps, the buck would have stopped with me. I would have checked that data over myself after 10 other experts had already reviewed it. Never ever should have happened.


If fcps wants to get billions of funding along with that should be security controls and procedures of PII like the way FOUO information is controlled in the federal government. I hope DHS CISA steps in to enforce here as they often will for commercial entities with poor security controls on pii
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Anonymous wrote:FCPS sped services have been a disaster, I don't know how anyone can defend them. More people like Callie are needed to expose the illegal denial of services and reimbursements


If she wants to rally up other parents to do this, great. Get their consent.

She should not be exploiting other families’ personal details without their consent and for her own purposes.

It’s abhorrent.


What is she exploiting, can someone explain, all the documents and posts I've seen are her talking about high level concerns at the school and regional level that dont name anyone specific.


That’s it! The children’s names they say are popping up are attorneys!!! It’s a great twist on words as technically accurate. Attorneys all have parents, and are someone’s kids. So technically not lying, but highly misleading.
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Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.


Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.


+100

There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.


I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.


No one who specializes in digital privacy is going to help the parents going off like crazy people here. You've misrepresented the facts again and again and some of you come off as if you are mentally ill and are trying to incite a mob to harm another person. Any intelligent professional would immediately identify the problem being the school system. The fact that there are posters identifying themselves as FCPS staff posting ignorant, anti-sns parents diatribes doesn't help.


I personally think an organization who specializes in digital privacy would be very interested in a situation that seems to be the case where a single parent through extensive use of the FOIA process and sloppy data security of a public school system gained access to and doesn't have to release the private data of 35k children. What about that doesn't sound 100% mission-aligned for them? It doesn't matter that some parents who are angry say something on an anonymous forum--what matters is this is a deeply problematic situation that we need to have better laws around and need to explore potential consequences currently available for individuals who take advantage of the lack of data security.


An individual didn't take advantage of the lack of data security.

You keep inserting inflammatory and inaccurate language to try to get a mob behind you. It just makes you look crazy.

The problem in this country is the lack of concern large organizations have for our data and that our lawmakers are doing nothing to look out for us.


This is correct. Callie already won a lawsuit against fcps for this very reason and with their souped up security to ensure a repeat didn’t occur, they voluntarily let her walk out with 35,000 times the amount of students data than she requested. Come on! If I were in charge of fcps, the buck would have stopped with me. I would have checked that data over myself after 10 other experts had already reviewed it. Never ever should have happened.


If fcps wants to get billions of funding along with that should be security controls and procedures of PII like the way FOUO information is controlled in the federal government. I hope DHS CISA steps in to enforce here as they often will for commercial entities with poor security controls on pii


Or take the billions they already have and use them more wisely. That’s what I do in my household.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.


Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.


+100

There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.


I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.


No one who specializes in digital privacy is going to help the parents going off like crazy people here. You've misrepresented the facts again and again and some of you come off as if you are mentally ill and are trying to incite a mob to harm another person. Any intelligent professional would immediately identify the problem being the school system. The fact that there are posters identifying themselves as FCPS staff posting ignorant, anti-sns parents diatribes doesn't help.


I personally think an organization who specializes in digital privacy would be very interested in a situation that seems to be the case where a single parent through extensive use of the FOIA process and sloppy data security of a public school system gained access to and doesn't have to release the private data of 35k children. What about that doesn't sound 100% mission-aligned for them? It doesn't matter that some parents who are angry say something on an anonymous forum--what matters is this is a deeply problematic situation that we need to have better laws around and need to explore potential consequences currently available for individuals who take advantage of the lack of data security.


Any laws will likely put the burden on the organization to better protect the data. Because that’s how it works.


I think there can be both.
Better protection--and mandated support/resources on how to provide that protection from a data governance body that somehow shares responsibility when smaller public organizations like school systems make mistakes. I personally think it's a recipe for failure to ask every school system to do this well--they need a higher level organization to manage data, FOIA request etc. People who really understand the technology and the laws--not whatever paralegal/IT person a school happens to have.

At the same time, there are models of requiring security on both ends. If a bank adds an extra 0 onto your digital deposit, you don't get to keep that money because it was their mistake. If you receive classified government information by access, it doesn't magically become your personal goldmine without consequences. We need to be thinking about these things with other private data--because while most parents if they received data like this, they would likely instantly return the data--and hopefully also file a FERPA complaint with the state and Department of Ed. But we're seeing now that some parents would decide to keep that data, look through it and share it with others as they see fit. Not to mention potential others who would use it for worse ends. We need clarity on what are the responsibility of our citizens who mistakenly receive private data.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.


Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.


+100

There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.


I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.


No one who specializes in digital privacy is going to help the parents going off like crazy people here. You've misrepresented the facts again and again and some of you come off as if you are mentally ill and are trying to incite a mob to harm another person. Any intelligent professional would immediately identify the problem being the school system. The fact that there are posters identifying themselves as FCPS staff posting ignorant, anti-sns parents diatribes doesn't help.


I personally think an organization who specializes in digital privacy would be very interested in a situation that seems to be the case where a single parent through extensive use of the FOIA process and sloppy data security of a public school system gained access to and doesn't have to release the private data of 35k children. What about that doesn't sound 100% mission-aligned for them? It doesn't matter that some parents who are angry say something on an anonymous forum--what matters is this is a deeply problematic situation that we need to have better laws around and need to explore potential consequences currently available for individuals who take advantage of the lack of data security.


Any laws will likely put the burden on the organization to better protect the data. Because that’s how it works.


I think there can be both.
Better protection--and mandated support/resources on how to provide that protection from a data governance body that somehow shares responsibility when smaller public organizations like school systems make mistakes. I personally think it's a recipe for failure to ask every school system to do this well--they need a higher level organization to manage data, FOIA request etc. People who really understand the technology and the laws--not whatever paralegal/IT person a school happens to have.

At the same time, there are models of requiring security on both ends. If a bank adds an extra 0 onto your digital deposit, you don't get to keep that money because it was their mistake. If you receive classified government information by access, it doesn't magically become your personal goldmine without consequences. We need to be thinking about these things with other private data--because while most parents if they received data like this, they would likely instantly return the data--and hopefully also file a FERPA complaint with the state and Department of Ed. But we're seeing now that some parents would decide to keep that data, look through it and share it with others as they see fit. Not to mention potential others who would use it for worse ends. We need clarity on what are the responsibility of our citizens who mistakenly receive private data.


Editing: should read "by mistake"
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Anonymous wrote:FCPS sped services have been a disaster, I don't know how anyone can defend them. More people like Callie are needed to expose the illegal denial of services and reimbursements


If she wants to rally up other parents to do this, great. Get their consent.

She should not be exploiting other families’ personal details without their consent and for her own purposes.

It’s abhorrent.


What is she exploiting, can someone explain, all the documents and posts I've seen are her talking about high level concerns at the school and regional level that dont name anyone specific.


That’s it! The children’s names they say are popping up are attorneys!!! It’s a great twist on words as technically accurate. Attorneys all have parents, and are someone’s kids. So technically not lying, but highly misleading.


That she read the data herself is misusing--and immoral--in my opinion.
And the issue with the partial redaction is that this how people piece things together: For instance, the attorney's name, in conjunction with the school and the dates can be revealing to local contexts--it's not like many kids in an elementary school have an attorney on their case in any given month of a year. So of all the parents who use a search term for their school on her site to see if their data is there, I'm guessing some may know who that kid is--and now they know more private things like how much was spent on their treatment. This is the thing--blacking out kid's name doesn't make them unidentifiable--and a parent may have shared one bit of information, like recommend the attorney they used to another parent--that now gives that other parent more information than the original parent meant to share. Oettinger seems to be taking risks with other people's children's private data in posting these things.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure you can sue anyone.

She did not publish health information that can be connected to your child.

Why can’t you sue FCPS? They released the information and did not protect it


They released information by accident while trying to respond to Callie’s abuse of FOIA and constant demands for data.

Callie could have told the school and securely deleted the information, but instead she waited and meticulously combed through children’s personal information before publishing redacted copies onto the internet. That was no accident.

Did she redact the information herself, or did she get someone else to do it? If the latter, that means she let more people have access to our children’s information. I sure hope the redaction cannot be reversed.

Does she still have this information? Is she storing information securely? Is she showing the information to others who ask her about their children? Why won’t she delete the information securely?

I’m way more disgusted with her than FCPS.


Good questions
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