Can I sue Callie Oettinger?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a pp. The lawyers thing is terrible but necessary. The only reason my child didn't get a lawyer is because we were advised it was better to pull my child out of school and pay for everything out of pocket, including a private school.

We could have fought with lawyers, but it would have lost our child precious time.

Wow. That really sucks. Certainly puts in perspective the fight Callie is taking on to expose these inadequacies. So sad all around these kids are being failed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.

Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.

+100

There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.

I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sure that this woman tricked the person helping her to get all of this information. That was her goal. She didn’t really go in to just her her data. That is why she will be end up being criminally prosecuted. Because it was her intention all along to steal other peoples data.

Cheeezus you are stupid and you are making statements that are actionable. You know this site can be subpoenaed and your ip address discovered.

LOL. Speaking of stupid.

[Anonymous]

My kid is now in private school, but we received a letter from FCPS about his information being leaked. We believe the school made a big and unintentional error, but this lady ran with it (having malicious intent). I don’t believe my son’s information is currently out there, but it sounds like it could have been at one point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you families for being angry at Callie's unethical behavior and abuse of FCPS staff and resources. As a special education staff, I experience parents and advocates like her who abuse staff and FCPS resources, and who focus on their own agendas, lie about experiences or staff comments, and treat meetings like war. I hope Callie is sued, punished, and treated horrible because she deserves it. She deserves it for this horrific act and for the way she has treated special education staff for years.

Families, please know that school special education staff deal with parents and advocates like her on a regular basis. These parents and advocates are manipulative, bullies, liars, and immoral. Please fight against the unethical and inappropriate behavior. Thank you for standing against her.

FCPS central office has plenty of issues, and are responsible for their inadvertent leak. Callie is horrific for taking, keeping, and releasing data and for the way she abuses and treats school employees. Only other parents can help establish a culture where the abuse of staff, abuse of FCPS resources. Only other parents can help establish a culture where the status quo of parents lying or distorting their experiences or demanding exceptions to rules for their own gain and agenda are not tolerated.

Signed,
Special education staff about to quit because of the horrible, lying, abusive, entitled, nasty parents that get away with it in FCPS.

If I knew who you were, you would be fired. School staff should not be posting here. You sound horrible.

Fortunately, jerks like you don’t have any actual power. Leave the teachers alone FFS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you families for being angry at Callie's unethical behavior and abuse of FCPS staff and resources. As a special education staff, I experience parents and advocates like her who abuse staff and FCPS resources, and who focus on their own agendas, lie about experiences or staff comments, and treat meetings like war. I hope Callie is sued, punished, and treated horrible because she deserves it. She deserves it for this horrific act and for the way she has treated special education staff for years.

Families, please know that school special education staff deal with parents and advocates like her on a regular basis. These parents and advocates are manipulative, bullies, liars, and immoral. Please fight against the unethical and inappropriate behavior. Thank you for standing against her.

FCPS central office has plenty of issues, and are responsible for their inadvertent leak. Callie is horrific for taking, keeping, and releasing data and for the way she abuses and treats school employees. Only other parents can help establish a culture where the abuse of staff, abuse of FCPS resources. Only other parents can help establish a culture where the status quo of parents lying or distorting their experiences or demanding exceptions to rules for their own gain and agenda are not tolerated.

Signed,
Special education staff about to quit because of the horrible, lying, abusive, entitled, nasty parents that get away with it in FCPS.

If I knew who you were, you would be fired. School staff should not be posting here. You sound horrible.

Fortunately, jerks like you don’t have any actual power. Leave the teachers alone FFS.

I doubt it's the teachers playing defense for fcps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.

Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.

+100

There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.

I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.

No one who specializes in digital privacy is going to help the parents going off like crazy people here. You've misrepresented the facts again and again and some of you come off as if you are mentally ill and are trying to incite a mob to harm another person. Any intelligent professional would immediately identify the problem being the school system. The fact that there are posters identifying themselves as FCPS staff posting ignorant, anti-sns parents diatribes doesn't help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sure that this woman tricked the person helping her to get all of this information. That was her goal. She didn’t really go in to just her her data. That is why she will be end up being criminally prosecuted. Because it was her intention all along to steal other peoples data.

Cheeezus you are stupid and you are making statements that are actionable. You know this site can be subpoenaed and your ip address discovered.

LOL. Speaking of stupid.

There is something seriously wrong with you if you support the comments that poster made.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.

Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.

+100

There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.

I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.

It’s really not. The best a class action suit will do is get a restraining order. Until she’s been formally asked to remove the data, and a judge orders it, there is no case. She obtained the data legally (the party who owned control of the data gave it to her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.

Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.

+100

There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.

I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.

No one who specializes in digital privacy is going to help the parents going off like crazy people here. You've misrepresented the facts again and again and some of you come off as if you are mentally ill and are trying to incite a mob to harm another person. Any intelligent professional would immediately identify the problem being the school system. The fact that there are posters identifying themselves as FCPS staff posting ignorant, anti-sns parents diatribes doesn't help.

I personally think an organization who specializes in digital privacy would be very interested in a situation that seems to be the case where a single parent through extensive use of the FOIA process and sloppy data security of a public school system gained access to and doesn't have to release the private data of 35k children. What about that doesn't sound 100% mission-aligned for them? It doesn't matter that some parents who are angry say something on an anonymous forum--what matters is this is a deeply problematic situation that we need to have better laws around and need to explore potential consequences currently available for individuals who take advantage of the lack of data security.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.

Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.

+100

There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.

I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.

No one who specializes in digital privacy is going to help the parents going off like crazy people here. You've misrepresented the facts again and again and some of you come off as if you are mentally ill and are trying to incite a mob to harm another person. Any intelligent professional would immediately identify the problem being the school system. The fact that there are posters identifying themselves as FCPS staff posting ignorant, anti-sns parents diatribes doesn't help.

I personally think an organization who specializes in digital privacy would be very interested in a situation that seems to be the case where a single parent through extensive use of the FOIA process and sloppy data security of a public school system gained access to and doesn't have to release the private data of 35k children. What about that doesn't sound 100% mission-aligned for them? It doesn't matter that some parents who are angry say something on an anonymous forum--what matters is this is a deeply problematic situation that we need to have better laws around and need to explore potential consequences currently available for individuals who take advantage of the lack of data security.

Any laws will likely put the burden on the organization to better protect the data. Because that’s how it works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.

Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.

+100

There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.

I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.

No one who specializes in digital privacy is going to help the parents going off like crazy people here. You've misrepresented the facts again and again and some of you come off as if you are mentally ill and are trying to incite a mob to harm another person. Any intelligent professional would immediately identify the problem being the school system. The fact that there are posters identifying themselves as FCPS staff posting ignorant, anti-sns parents diatribes doesn't help.

I personally think an organization who specializes in digital privacy would be very interested in a situation that seems to be the case where a single parent through extensive use of the FOIA process and sloppy data security of a public school system gained access to and doesn't have to release the private data of 35k children. What about that doesn't sound 100% mission-aligned for them? It doesn't matter that some parents who are angry say something on an anonymous forum--what matters is this is a deeply problematic situation that we need to have better laws around and need to explore potential consequences currently available for individuals who take advantage of the lack of data security.

These laws already exist if the data is stolen. It’s hard to put a law around data being willingly given. That would risk someone changing their minds and retroactively saying they didn’t mean to give it up. Very easy to cross over into entrapment. Even with good intentions, way too many opportunities for unintended consequences. That is why the burden is on the organization to protect the data in the first place, a concept that is so simple and full of common sense. But perhaps too much common sense for fcps and some of their constituents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.

Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.

+100

There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.

I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.

No one who specializes in digital privacy is going to help the parents going off like crazy people here. You've misrepresented the facts again and again and some of you come off as if you are mentally ill and are trying to incite a mob to harm another person. Any intelligent professional would immediately identify the problem being the school system. The fact that there are posters identifying themselves as FCPS staff posting ignorant, anti-sns parents diatribes doesn't help.

I personally think an organization who specializes in digital privacy would be very interested in a situation that seems to be the case where a single parent through extensive use of the FOIA process and sloppy data security of a public school system gained access to and doesn't have to release the private data of 35k children. What about that doesn't sound 100% mission-aligned for them? It doesn't matter that some parents who are angry say something on an anonymous forum--what matters is this is a deeply problematic situation that we need to have better laws around and need to explore potential consequences currently available for individuals who take advantage of the lack of data security.

Totally agree. Many would love to go after fcps on this. They have a pattern of doing this so they are an easy opponent. This isn’t even the first time they did this with Callie. How many people haven’t come forward and your kids data is just sitting unprotected on their hard drive or on the cloud for any hacker to access?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.

Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.

+100

There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.

I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.

It’s really not. The best a class action suit will do is get a restraining order. Until she’s been formally asked to remove the data, and a judge orders it, there is no case. She obtained the data legally (the party who owned control of the data gave it to her.

I think parents shouldn't take the word of any internet legal expert. My understanding is the earlier case was FCPS against Oettinger --and since FCPS was the one legally responsible for the data and they technically gave it to her in the FOIA process, they couldn't get it back. But parents in a civil case? Only an expert in this area would know--are there issues if she shared unredacted private information with any other individual? Does posting/storing on-line make one subject to other state laws that vary on this? I have no idea and likely does anyone else on here because we don't know what she has done with the data and most of us likely don't specialize is this rapidly evolving legal space of digital privacy.

In my opinion, the good thing about working with an organization who is interested in digital privacy and legal issues, would be: 1) they would be more likely to know all the potential legal avenues to consider, 2)even if it turns out the legal options are few, they may be more interested in using this case as an example to lobby for better data privacy laws. If it truly turns out there are no consequences or requirements for an individual who has mistakenly received a trove of private data on minors, that's a huge problem. If you mistakenly receive money from a bank, you're required to give it back. We should have similar protections for data--some way of verifying what you have done with that data. I would guess that the data she holds --or whoever now holds it if she doesn't--has a huge monetary value.

The goal is better protection for children's private data in the digital age--and this case seems to be a rich way to explore many angles of that--and expose the kinds of dangers and abuses that we are seeing play out in front of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medically protected information of minors that she has stolen. I am looking forward to attending her trial and making an impact statement before her sentencing.

Stealing = someone handed you something and sent you on your merry way. lol. Trial. Sentencing. This comment sums up the stupidity of this entire thread, and multiplies it by 50.

+100

There is a poster here who will not stop with the stupidity. Callie is not going to be on trial. No one can make her sign anything about the data. She has said she won't use it. The situation sucks and I'd be bothered but she is not a criminal and she is not going to jail.

I think the point about her signing something is not that someone could "make" her, but if she wanted to seem like she truly was on parents' side--or at least not going to do something nefarious with the data, she could do something more substantial than say "trust me." I agree, she's not going to jail--I think the question is still open about the success of a class action civil suit. Again, I think affected people should talk to an organization who specializes in digital privacy laws to see what their options are--both with addressing FCPS's lack of data security and the fact that a parent is now holding the private data of many children and seems to have done things like post partially redacted accounts. I am a parent of a child in FCPS, but not one who received the letter about this breach, but I am very concerned about this as a parent and a citizen.

No one who specializes in digital privacy is going to help the parents going off like crazy people here. You've misrepresented the facts again and again and some of you come off as if you are mentally ill and are trying to incite a mob to harm another person. Any intelligent professional would immediately identify the problem being the school system. The fact that there are posters identifying themselves as FCPS staff posting ignorant, anti-sns parents diatribes doesn't help.

I personally think an organization who specializes in digital privacy would be very interested in a situation that seems to be the case where a single parent through extensive use of the FOIA process and sloppy data security of a public school system gained access to and doesn't have to release the private data of 35k children. What about that doesn't sound 100% mission-aligned for them? It doesn't matter that some parents who are angry say something on an anonymous forum--what matters is this is a deeply problematic situation that we need to have better laws around and need to explore potential consequences currently available for individuals who take advantage of the lack of data security.

An individual didn't take advantage of the lack of data security.

You keep inserting inflammatory and inaccurate language to try to get a mob behind you. It just makes you look crazy.

The problem in this country is the lack of concern large organizations have for our data and that our lawmakers are doing nothing to look out for us.