Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:Where was she supposed to put it?

Bring it to the hospital?
Bury it in the yard?

I dont understand.

Since 2016 the established custom in the Midwest is to mail your uterine contents to the governor, who will check them for any concerns.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periods_for_Politicians

If these uppity women would simply stop having sex, or at least stop surviving delivery, we wouldn't have so many problems. Nothing is more Christlike than to sacrifice your life for a child, so that your husband can have a younger woman raise your child until it's her turn to do the same.

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In the wild, there are numerous species who kill and/or eat their young that are born with something wrong. Birds throw younglings out of the nest or don’t feed them. Mothers will refuse to suckle the sick offspring, knowing they won’t survive anyway. Even nature has a way to dispose of its unhealthy fetuses.

Why has the US not evolved to a point where we acknowledge that sometimes a pregnancy will fail, and we put systems, processes, facilities and people in place to safely and properly take care of the moms and the fetuses when this unfortunate circumstance happens?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

She didn’t leave it in the toilet, it came out of her into the toilet. I have given birth without any medication twice and can attest that the pressure and urge to push feel very similar to bowel movement with horrible cramps. I can also attest that for my first when I was in labor for over 30 hours that my body was emptying itself from both ends, cramping and heaving. If her water broke 2 days earlier, she was probably delirious and in a lot of pain when she delivered. After I crossed the 24 hr mark, I doubt I would have known the difference between violent diarrhea for the millionth time vs. time to push a baby out except I had a midwife and a doula supervising me.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a woman who delivered two babies at 20 weeks and I can promise you, that woman did not sit on the toilet and just pop that dead baby out into the toilet and surprisingly hear a splash. Delivering a baby at that term, dead or alive, is every bit as painful as a full-term delivery--I know this, as I have done both, multiple times. You don't just go, oh, I have to pee, and then, hey what was that splash, oh, a baby! Then flush. This wasn't shock. This was foul play. She tried to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And everyone here knows why but won't say. She was very likely covering up a dead baby who had drugs in its system.

This is BS. I have had two full term babies without meds and my doula told me she has caught many babies on the toilet. Squatting is a very natural birth position and not everyone’s experience is the same as yours.

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Anonymous wrote:If you read other news articles, this woman attempted to flush the dead fetus, but it got lodged in the toilet, so she used a plunger, unsuccessfully.

Link? I haven’t seen this in any of the articles I’ve read.

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My mom went to use the bathroom and happened to feel little feet when she went to wipe. Realized a baby was coming out, very prematurely at 7.5 months. Thankfully she was in the hospital on bed rest already when this happened, so she promptly got the medical care she needed and deserved. My little brother is now a healthy adult.

I can only imagine how her scenario would’ve turned out in today’s day and age. Especially if the feet happened to dangle over a home toilet and not at a hospital.

As a woman of child bearing age with sons, the current antichoice environment makes me definitely not want any more kids.

I think that with this type of legislation and adverse legal consequences, the birthrate in America will decline. No woman wants to face prison time and felonies for natural bodily processes she has no control over.

I do wonder if this woman would not have been criminalized if she was married, a different race, or not poor. So sad that any of that even matters.

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Anonymous wrote:If you read other news articles, this woman attempted to flush the dead fetus, but it got lodged in the toilet, so she used a plunger, unsuccessfully.

Link? I haven’t seen this in any of the articles I’ve read.

It’s in the article linked in the OP.

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Anonymous wrote:If you read other news articles, this woman attempted to flush the dead fetus, but it got lodged in the toilet, so she used a plunger, unsuccessfully.

Link? I haven’t seen this in any of the articles I’ve read.

It’s in the article linked in the OP.

Sorry. I meant the part about the toilet being removed.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a NP. I don’t know much about the particulars of this case, but in 2002, my long time best friend went into preterm labor at 21+ weeks in Ohio with her very much wanted baby, whom she had tried for a very long time to conceive. She rushed to a nearby small town hospital because there was no NICU in her area. They told her that labor was already too advanced to stop it and that the baby hadn’t reached viability, so they wouldn’t be using any extraordinary measures to try to save the baby and she wouldn’t survive. However, they did deliver the baby. Her lungs weren’t developed enough, so she attempted shallow breaths for a short period and then passed.

Obviously, it’s not tue that you can’t deliver a baby at 22 weeks. Ohio’s recent very strict 6 week abortion ban was in effect when this woman’s water broke. Her baby was still alive at that time, so I’m sure the hospital refused to induce labor because that could be considered an abortion, and the mother’s life wasn’t in immediate danger just yet. The most likely cause of this woman’s legal issues is that she was denied timely medical care because of the hospital’s fear of legal liability, due to the abortion ban. This is a travesty.

Why would the abortion ban stop them from giving medical care to a woman experiencing a miscarriage?

Go read the entire Roe v. Wade thread and all the links in it, ignoramus.

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Anonymous wrote:If you read other news articles, this woman attempted to flush the dead fetus, but it got lodged in the toilet, so she used a plunger, unsuccessfully.

Link? I haven’t seen this in any of the articles I’ve read.

It’s in the article linked in the OP.

Sorry. I meant the part about the toilet being removed.

https://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2023/11/womans-abuse-of-corpse-case-heads-to-grand-jury/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where was she supposed to put it?

Bring it to the hospital?
Bury it in the yard?

I dont understand.

+1 And no one on this thread has said what she was supposed to do. There is no law in Ohio requiring that she take the remains to a funeral home or similar.

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Horrific. What is wrong with Republicans?

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She is being used for political purposes. Get fetal remains defined as a corpse and you’re one step closer to personhood laws.
https://slate.com/technology/2019/05/dead-fetus-burial-laws-personhood-indiana-texas.html

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

Umm you have no idea when the fetus stopped growing. Yes she Carrie’s it for 20 weeks or whatever but that doesn’t mean it grew until that point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the wild, there are numerous species who kill and/or eat their young that are born with something wrong. Birds throw younglings out of the nest or don’t feed them. Mothers will refuse to suckle the sick offspring, knowing they won’t survive anyway. Even nature has a way to dispose of its unhealthy fetuses.

Why has the US not evolved to a point where we acknowledge that sometimes a pregnancy will fail, and we put systems, processes, facilities and people in place to safely and properly take care of the moms and the fetuses when this unfortunate circumstance happens?

Actually, the US HAD evolved to that point. Then Catholic hospital systems expanded, taking over previously independent, secular hospitals, and fundamentalist Christian politicians and their supporters decided that everyone should be governed by their particular religious dictates. Most hospitals in blue states have all of those systems in place —although it helps to be white and have excellent insurance and cash to fill in the gaps to actually have full access to these resources.