Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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So the US recently agreed to allow pre clearance of travelers from Israel. We should re-examine this issue after the total failure of Israel security.

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Anonymous wrote:USA used to have better intelligence. They seem incompetent.

That is Trump’s fault. He said he believed Putin over US intelligence. Republican stood up and cheered!

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Anonymous wrote:I see we are still waiting for the Hamas supporters in this thread to find one of the many thousands of videos they claim exist of Israelis dragging the naked desecrated corpse of a young Palestinian woman through the streets while other Israelis cheer and spit on the body. Still waiting, I guess.

There are tens of thousands of videos of Palestinian children killed and maimed. Too many to count at this point. I guess we’ll just hear “Hamas started it” as Israel mows the grass.

Right. So find a video of Israelis doing the same thing as what today’s videos show. Apparently there are thousands of similar videos, according to you.

Look, this should be easy based on what you and other Hamas supporters in this thread claim. Unless, of course, you’re just lying.

Prove to me you are right. It should be easy for you to find a similar video of Israelis desecrating the naked corpse of a young Palestinian woman while other Israeli onlookers cheer on. You keep telling me thousands of these videos exist. So produce just one of them.

+1. Are there videos of collateral damage to civilians from Israeli attacks? Sure. I'm you can point to those. But I haven't once ever seen barbarism on display from the Israelis like you've seen in the last 24 hours by the Gazans. Feel free to correct us though if there are.

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There are many videos of the horrific results of rocket attacks with both Israeli and Palestinian children as innocent victims.

But I’ve never seen a video of Israelis acting with the level of barbarism and monstrosity as the Palestinians in today’s videos. I’ll never get what I saw out of my head, and I wish I could.

I have been a critic of Israel in the past, but this is far beyond anything I’ve ever seen from Israel before.

+1.

So far today, more than 250 Israelis have been killed and another 1400 injured. An untold amount of people - including many women - have been kidnapped and taken hostage by Palestinians. Anyone that saw the videos today of Palestinians desecrating and abusing the naked body of a dead Israeli women will be understandably worried about the fate of those hostages. They are likely to be tortured. Palestinians displayed a venal cruelty that is not often seen in the modern era. Those images will not be forgotten.

What Palestinians did today was to effectively commit national suicide. They will never have a viable, independent country. They are terrorists. When Gaza is destroyed in the months ahead, no one will lament their fate. They chose Hamas. They chose barbarity. They chose stupidity. And they will reap what they sowed. Idiots.

I’ve watched the video a few times trying to figure out whether it was the German tourist or not. I don’t know whether it was, but it doesn’t matter. It’s a ghastly scene that constitutes both a war crime and an exhibition of the basest forms of human behavior.

All of that said, I’m going to stop you when you use it as a rallying cry for genocide.

Countless bodies - civilian and belligerent - were desecrated by our forces and those of our allies in Afghanistan and Iraq. And then some. If you haven’t heard of the Mahmudiyah Incident, have a read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings. Even for all out war, that’s some extremely evil sht. And it was all done by a US Army soldiers.

As horrific as that incident, I think you and I are grateful that no one is calling for the indiscriminate slaughter of Americans on account of the heinous actions of five soldiers. Or for those of William Laws Calley Jr. at My Lai and so on and so on.

Thugs that celebrate killing and the desecration of bodies deserve nothing less than that, but they are not all Gazans let alone all Palestinians.

I don’t remember celebrations by Americans all over the nation re: Mahmudiya rape and killings.

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Anonymous wrote:33 pages and I don't see a single post questioning how the F Mossad- and to a lesser extent US intelligence agencies- missed thousands of people planning a grand scale attack.

I suppose the CIA was too busy investigating "domestic terrorists" but what's Mossad's excuse?

IMO, they didn't miss it. I feel like this was Netanyahu sacrificing his people for his own greater good.

Netanyahu as horrible as he is supposed to know Hamas would gang rape little boys on camera and “Good Germans” like you would exalt inward and defend outwardly - I’m not sure anyone could anticipate the banality of your evil, PP.

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Seems problematic on the part of the GOP. It is time for Tuberville, Paul and other GOP who are sitting on appointments to move them off so we can have a functioning defense apparatus.

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Great speech by Joe.

Joe understands. True story.. one 4th of July Joes neighbors accidentally fired some bottle rockets toward his house.

Where is trump today? Is he making a speak about suckers dying for their country?

Trump did his job and kept world peace better than Joe and Obama. He’s just a lot smarter.

LOL.

Joe and O are almost like mentally challenged. Total embarrassments totally lacking in skills. Trump is just so much quicker with better instincts and a 5d chess multitasker.

LOLOL

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Anonymous wrote:33 pages and I don't see a single post questioning how the F Mossad- and to a lesser extent US intelligence agencies- missed thousands of people planning a grand scale attack.

I suppose the CIA was too busy investigating "domestic terrorists" but what's Mossad's excuse?

IMO, they didn't miss it. I feel like this was Netanyahu sacrificing his people for his own greater good.

Netanyahu as horrible as he is supposed to know Hamas would gang rape little boys on camera and “Good Germans” like you would exalt inward and defend outwardly - I’m not sure anyone could anticipate the banality of your evil, PP.

Bibi allied himself with Putin after the atrocities in the Ukraine. Birds of a feathers.

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Anonymous wrote:USA used to have better intelligence. They seem incompetent.

That is Trump’s fault. He said he believed Putin over US intelligence. Republican stood up and cheered!

What a total non sequitur.

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Anonymous wrote:I see we are still waiting for the Hamas supporters in this thread to find one of the many thousands of videos they claim exist of Israelis dragging the naked desecrated corpse of a young Palestinian woman through the streets while other Israelis cheer and spit on the body. Still waiting, I guess.

There are tens of thousands of videos of Palestinian children killed and maimed. Too many to count at this point. I guess we’ll just hear “Hamas started it” as Israel mows the grass.

Right. So find a video of Israelis doing the same thing as what today’s videos show. Apparently there are thousands of similar videos, according to you.

Look, this should be easy based on what you and other Hamas supporters in this thread claim. Unless, of course, you’re just lying.

Prove to me you are right. It should be easy for you to find a similar video of Israelis desecrating the naked corpse of a young Palestinian woman while other Israeli onlookers cheer on. You keep telling me thousands of these videos exist. So produce just one of them.

+1. Are there videos of collateral damage to civilians from Israeli attacks? Sure. I'm you can point to those. But I haven't once ever seen barbarism on display from the Israelis like you've seen in the last 24 hours by the Gazans. Feel free to correct us though if there are.

+1

There are many videos of the horrific results of rocket attacks with both Israeli and Palestinian children as innocent victims.

But I’ve never seen a video of Israelis acting with the level of barbarism and monstrosity as the Palestinians in today’s videos. I’ll never get what I saw out of my head, and I wish I could.

I have been a critic of Israel in the past, but this is far beyond anything I’ve ever seen from Israel before.

+1.

So far today, more than 250 Israelis have been killed and another 1400 injured. An untold amount of people - including many women - have been kidnapped and taken hostage by Palestinians. Anyone that saw the videos today of Palestinians desecrating and abusing the naked body of a dead Israeli women will be understandably worried about the fate of those hostages. They are likely to be tortured. Palestinians displayed a venal cruelty that is not often seen in the modern era. Those images will not be forgotten.

What Palestinians did today was to effectively commit national suicide. They will never have a viable, independent country. They are terrorists. When Gaza is destroyed in the months ahead, no one will lament their fate. They chose Hamas. They chose barbarity. They chose stupidity. And they will reap what they sowed. Idiots.

I’ve watched the video a few times trying to figure out whether it was the German tourist or not. I don’t know whether it was, but it doesn’t matter. It’s a ghastly scene that constitutes both a war crime and an exhibition of the basest forms of human behavior.

All of that said, I’m going to stop you when you use it as a rallying cry for genocide.

Countless bodies - civilian and belligerent - were desecrated by our forces and those of our allies in Afghanistan and Iraq. And then some. If you haven’t heard of the Mahmudiyah Incident, have a read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings. Even for all out war, that’s some extremely evil sht. And it was all done by a US Army soldiers.

As horrific as that incident, I think you and I are grateful that no one is calling for the indiscriminate slaughter of Americans on account of the heinous actions of five soldiers. Or for those of William Laws Calley Jr. at My Lai and so on and so on.

Thugs that celebrate killing and the desecration of bodies deserve nothing less than that, but they are not all Gazans let alone all Palestinians.

I don’t remember celebrations by Americans all over the nation re: Mahmudiya rape and killings.

Americans are not living under brutal military occupation, desperate for a win at any cost to avenge their dispossession, Israeli apartheid, and death and disfigurement of generations of youth.

Desperation is ugly. I blame the people who made all Palestinian civilians this desperate as much as I blame the madmen who carried out these attacks.

We have to internalize our role in this situation.

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Anonymous wrote:We did allow Iran access to it own money. That definitely happened under Biden. So yes, Iran freed up it own money to fun Terrorism. Joe and the A team are not smart people

The money in question was deposited in Qatar and has not been touched by Iran. Moreover, if you think the operation was funded in the last month, you are dreaming.

Can you prove that?

Facts from Fox News reporter https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1710735779834593355

Regarding the $6 billion: I spoke to several senior officials who were involved in the unfreezing of the $6 billion to Iran in exchange for 5 US prisoners, some of whom worked under the Trump Administration and are still serving…
Those who are saying that this $6 billion that was part of the American hostage release negotiated by the Biden administration likely fueled the Hamas invasion are missing some key facts….None of the money has been spent yet. It remains in a Qatari bank under US Treasury watch.
The $6 billion was Iranian money for oil sales that was held in a South Korean bank, not U.S. taxpayer money. Under the Trump administration 4 banks worldwide were allowed to hold money from Iranian oil sales to 4 countries, including India, South Korea, and Turkey….
Under the Trump Admin deal that preceded Biden hostage deal, Iran could draw on that money for humanitarian purchases that had to be verified by the US Treasury. The money sat in a S Korean bank because it was held in South Korean won and no international banks would convert would convert the won to dollars for fear of sanctions violations. This was NOT US taxpayer money.

I'm looking for receipts that some was not used, not some article that simply tells us that. We've all been lied to before. It's not like Iran or Qatar are good humanitarians when it comes to Israel.

The US Treasury controls the account and has to approve payments out of it. Iran is under sanctions, which the US enforces, but they are allowed to spend money for humanitarian purposes. Why is this so hard to understand?

This attack by Hamas has been months in the making. The $6B has nothing to do with it. Why is that so hard to understand?

Well we can certainly trust this administration to tell the truth.

There is a paper trail which proves it. They aren't lying.

Post the trail.

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Anonymous wrote:33 pages and I don't see a single post questioning how the F Mossad- and to a lesser extent US intelligence agencies- missed thousands of people planning a grand scale attack.

I suppose the CIA was too busy investigating "domestic terrorists" but what's Mossad's excuse?

IMO, they didn't miss it. I feel like this was Netanyahu sacrificing his people for his own greater good.

This is Israel’s version of January 6th. The Likud nihilist politicos told the military to stand down and have been undermining the generals for the last year.

The US and Israel have an intel sharing agreement. I guarantee the US picked up the chatter of thousands of Gaza’s militants mobilizing, warned their Israel counterparts, and then Bibi and his gang sat on the info. Israel intel knew about this, but the civilian politicos wouldn’t approve beefing up manpower.

This entire incident represents a craven sandbagging of Israel’s national security so Likud can centralize power. The irony, of course, is the Likud’s hardcore constituency doesn’t serve in the military or were the ones getting attacked and kidnapped at the settlements. Instead of blaming Bibi, these traumatized folks will run right back into his arms.

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Anonymous wrote:I see we are still waiting for the Hamas supporters in this thread to find one of the many thousands of videos they claim exist of Israelis dragging the naked desecrated corpse of a young Palestinian woman through the streets while other Israelis cheer and spit on the body. Still waiting, I guess.

There are tens of thousands of videos of Palestinian children killed and maimed. Too many to count at this point. I guess we’ll just hear “Hamas started it” as Israel mows the grass.

Right. So find a video of Israelis doing the same thing as what today’s videos show. Apparently there are thousands of similar videos, according to you.

Look, this should be easy based on what you and other Hamas supporters in this thread claim. Unless, of course, you’re just lying.

Prove to me you are right. It should be easy for you to find a similar video of Israelis desecrating the naked corpse of a young Palestinian woman while other Israeli onlookers cheer on. You keep telling me thousands of these videos exist. So produce just one of them.

+1. Are there videos of collateral damage to civilians from Israeli attacks? Sure. I'm you can point to those. But I haven't once ever seen barbarism on display from the Israelis like you've seen in the last 24 hours by the Gazans. Feel free to correct us though if there are.

+1

There are many videos of the horrific results of rocket attacks with both Israeli and Palestinian children as innocent victims.

But I’ve never seen a video of Israelis acting with the level of barbarism and monstrosity as the Palestinians in today’s videos. I’ll never get what I saw out of my head, and I wish I could.

I have been a critic of Israel in the past, but this is far beyond anything I’ve ever seen from Israel before.

+1.

So far today, more than 250 Israelis have been killed and another 1400 injured. An untold amount of people - including many women - have been kidnapped and taken hostage by Palestinians. Anyone that saw the videos today of Palestinians desecrating and abusing the naked body of a dead Israeli women will be understandably worried about the fate of those hostages. They are likely to be tortured. Palestinians displayed a venal cruelty that is not often seen in the modern era. Those images will not be forgotten.

What Palestinians did today was to effectively commit national suicide. They will never have a viable, independent country. They are terrorists. When Gaza is destroyed in the months ahead, no one will lament their fate. They chose Hamas. They chose barbarity. They chose stupidity. And they will reap what they sowed. Idiots.

I’ve watched the video a few times trying to figure out whether it was the German tourist or not. I don’t know whether it was, but it doesn’t matter. It’s a ghastly scene that constitutes both a war crime and an exhibition of the basest forms of human behavior.

All of that said, I’m going to stop you when you use it as a rallying cry for genocide.

Countless bodies - civilian and belligerent - were desecrated by our forces and those of our allies in Afghanistan and Iraq. And then some. If you haven’t heard of the Mahmudiyah Incident, have a read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings. Even for all out war, that’s some extremely evil sht. And it was all done by a US Army soldiers.

As horrific as that incident, I think you and I are grateful that no one is calling for the indiscriminate slaughter of Americans on account of the heinous actions of five soldiers. Or for those of William Laws Calley Jr. at My Lai and so on and so on.

Thugs that celebrate killing and the desecration of bodies deserve nothing less than that, but they are not all Gazans let alone all Palestinians.

I don’t remember celebrations by Americans all over the nation re: Mahmudiya rape and killings.

Americans are not living under brutal military occupation, desperate for a win at any cost to avenge their dispossession, Israeli apartheid, and death and disfigurement of generations of youth.

Desperation is ugly. I blame the people who made all Palestinian civilians this desperate as much as I blame the madmen who carried out these attacks.

We have to internalize our role in this situation.

I would say a number of Americans would disagree with you right now.

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Anonymous wrote:I see we are still waiting for the Hamas supporters in this thread to find one of the many thousands of videos they claim exist of Israelis dragging the naked desecrated corpse of a young Palestinian woman through the streets while other Israelis cheer and spit on the body. Still waiting, I guess.

There are tens of thousands of videos of Palestinian children killed and maimed. Too many to count at this point. I guess we’ll just hear “Hamas started it” as Israel mows the grass.

Right. So find a video of Israelis doing the same thing as what today’s videos show. Apparently there are thousands of similar videos, according to you.

Look, this should be easy based on what you and other Hamas supporters in this thread claim. Unless, of course, you’re just lying.

Prove to me you are right. It should be easy for you to find a similar video of Israelis desecrating the naked corpse of a young Palestinian woman while other Israeli onlookers cheer on. You keep telling me thousands of these videos exist. So produce just one of them.

+1. Are there videos of collateral damage to civilians from Israeli attacks? Sure. I'm you can point to those. But I haven't once ever seen barbarism on display from the Israelis like you've seen in the last 24 hours by the Gazans. Feel free to correct us though if there are.

+1

There are many videos of the horrific results of rocket attacks with both Israeli and Palestinian children as innocent victims.

But I’ve never seen a video of Israelis acting with the level of barbarism and monstrosity as the Palestinians in today’s videos. I’ll never get what I saw out of my head, and I wish I could.

I have been a critic of Israel in the past, but this is far beyond anything I’ve ever seen from Israel before.

+1.

So far today, more than 250 Israelis have been killed and another 1400 injured. An untold amount of people - including many women - have been kidnapped and taken hostage by Palestinians. Anyone that saw the videos today of Palestinians desecrating and abusing the naked body of a dead Israeli women will be understandably worried about the fate of those hostages. They are likely to be tortured. Palestinians displayed a venal cruelty that is not often seen in the modern era. Those images will not be forgotten.

What Palestinians did today was to effectively commit national suicide. They will never have a viable, independent country. They are terrorists. When Gaza is destroyed in the months ahead, no one will lament their fate. They chose Hamas. They chose barbarity. They chose stupidity. And they will reap what they sowed. Idiots.

I’ve watched the video a few times trying to figure out whether it was the German tourist or not. I don’t know whether it was, but it doesn’t matter. It’s a ghastly scene that constitutes both a war crime and an exhibition of the basest forms of human behavior.

All of that said, I’m going to stop you when you use it as a rallying cry for genocide.

Countless bodies - civilian and belligerent - were desecrated by our forces and those of our allies in Afghanistan and Iraq. And then some. If you haven’t heard of the Mahmudiyah Incident, have a read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings. Even for all out war, that’s some extremely evil sht. And it was all done by a US Army soldiers.

As horrific as that incident, I think you and I are grateful that no one is calling for the indiscriminate slaughter of Americans on account of the heinous actions of five soldiers. Or for those of William Laws Calley Jr. at My Lai and so on and so on.

Thugs that celebrate killing and the desecration of bodies deserve nothing less than that, but they are not all Gazans let alone all Palestinians.

I don’t remember celebrations by Americans all over the nation re: Mahmudiya rape and killings.

Americans are not living under brutal military occupation, desperate for a win at any cost to avenge their dispossession, Israeli apartheid, and death and disfigurement of generations of youth.

Desperation is ugly. I blame the people who made all Palestinian civilians this desperate as much as I blame the madmen who carried out these attacks.

We have to internalize our role in this situation.

You are disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:For more than 50 years now, Palestinians have always chosen to do the wrong thing, from massacring Olympic athletes in Munich to hijacking scores of airplanes to cheering on the 9/11 attacks. In all these decades, they have demonstrated no will or capacity to govern effectively for the benefit of the people. Palestinians are despised everywhere in the region - Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia. They have no allies left except the Iranians.

This morning I watched Hamas massacre families in their homes and in their cars. I have seen Israeli women abducted and taken into Gaza. I have seen one Israeli woman, naked, obviously dead, all her limbs broken, being paraded through Gaza in the back of a pick truck as young boys spat on her. This is the hatred that Israelis are confronting.

In the months ahead, Gaza will be destroyed. Thousands of Palestinians are going to die. Palestinians will never be allowed to be in a position where they can cross the border again. Life was already pretty grim in Gaza. And it's going to get a lot grimmer in the decades ahead.

And for what? They have a day to kill Israeli civilians. And they will be paying for it for generations.

Well said.
I think Hamas has underestimated Israel. And, I think they are unaware of what is yet to come.

Yes, I expect Gaza to be leveled. I expect that they'll leave a scorched earth demilitarized zone so that this will never happen again there. It will likely cause a humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

I think they are going to expel everyone left in Gaza into Egypt, raze it, and in 5-10 years it will become an Israeli beach/resort area.

I lived in Israel during Protective Edge in 2014. Hid with my family in our bomb shelter. We aren't Jewish we were expats there for a couple of years - our feelings on being bombed by Hamas were complicated, quite frankly. I didn't hate all of Gaza despite having to run to my shelter. I had sympathy for the people in Gaza. I think a lot of secular Israelis did too. They didn't want violence. But as the PP said, the Palestinians have chosen at every turn to make the wrong choice. I think this was the final wrong choice and it's over for Gaza and for any hope of Palestinian existence in Israel.

Oh they chose to have their land taken from them and live in a concentration camp? :roll: The only answer is a one state solution with everyone allowed to vote.

Um, yes? You might want to go an study some recent history - like when both Egypt and Israel closed their borders to Gaza a mere 20 years ago. There were conditions that would have allowed the borders to remain open - namely recognition of Israel's right to exist and a disavowal of violence. Hamas declined to do so. That was a choice.

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Anonymous wrote:I see we are still waiting for the Hamas supporters in this thread to find one of the many thousands of videos they claim exist of Israelis dragging the naked desecrated corpse of a young Palestinian woman through the streets while other Israelis cheer and spit on the body. Still waiting, I guess.

There are tens of thousands of videos of Palestinian children killed and maimed. Too many to count at this point. I guess we’ll just hear “Hamas started it” as Israel mows the grass.

Right. So find a video of Israelis doing the same thing as what today’s videos show. Apparently there are thousands of similar videos, according to you.

Look, this should be easy based on what you and other Hamas supporters in this thread claim. Unless, of course, you’re just lying.

Prove to me you are right. It should be easy for you to find a similar video of Israelis desecrating the naked corpse of a young Palestinian woman while other Israeli onlookers cheer on. You keep telling me thousands of these videos exist. So produce just one of them.

+1. Are there videos of collateral damage to civilians from Israeli attacks? Sure. I'm you can point to those. But I haven't once ever seen barbarism on display from the Israelis like you've seen in the last 24 hours by the Gazans. Feel free to correct us though if there are.

+1

There are many videos of the horrific results of rocket attacks with both Israeli and Palestinian children as innocent victims.

But I’ve never seen a video of Israelis acting with the level of barbarism and monstrosity as the Palestinians in today’s videos. I’ll never get what I saw out of my head, and I wish I could.

I have been a critic of Israel in the past, but this is far beyond anything I’ve ever seen from Israel before.

+1.

So far today, more than 250 Israelis have been killed and another 1400 injured. An untold amount of people - including many women - have been kidnapped and taken hostage by Palestinians. Anyone that saw the videos today of Palestinians desecrating and abusing the naked body of a dead Israeli women will be understandably worried about the fate of those hostages. They are likely to be tortured. Palestinians displayed a venal cruelty that is not often seen in the modern era. Those images will not be forgotten.

What Palestinians did today was to effectively commit national suicide. They will never have a viable, independent country. They are terrorists. When Gaza is destroyed in the months ahead, no one will lament their fate. They chose Hamas. They chose barbarity. They chose stupidity. And they will reap what they sowed. Idiots.

I’ve watched the video a few times trying to figure out whether it was the German tourist or not. I don’t know whether it was, but it doesn’t matter. It’s a ghastly scene that constitutes both a war crime and an exhibition of the basest forms of human behavior.

All of that said, I’m going to stop you when you use it as a rallying cry for genocide.

Countless bodies - civilian and belligerent - were desecrated by our forces and those of our allies in Afghanistan and Iraq. And then some. If you haven’t heard of the Mahmudiyah Incident, have a read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings. Even for all out war, that’s some extremely evil sht. And it was all done by a US Army soldiers.

As horrific as that incident, I think you and I are grateful that no one is calling for the indiscriminate slaughter of Americans on account of the heinous actions of five soldiers. Or for those of William Laws Calley Jr. at My Lai and so on and so on.

Thugs that celebrate killing and the desecration of bodies deserve nothing less than that, but they are not all Gazans let alone all Palestinians.

I don’t remember celebrations by Americans all over the nation re: Mahmudiya rape and killings.

Americans are not living under brutal military occupation, desperate for a win at any cost to avenge their dispossession, Israeli apartheid, and death and disfigurement of generations of youth.

Desperation is ugly. I blame the people who made all Palestinian civilians this desperate as much as I blame the madmen who carried out these attacks.

We have to internalize our role in this situation.

I would say a number of Americans would disagree with you right now.

Well if you’re one of those Americans, I think you should look deeper. The only things you can fix are under your control, so it’s an empowering exercise to look to see what you can control.

I side with the innocent civilians on all sides. I condemn the violence of the Israeli government and the Palestinian fighters.