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Anonymous wrote:Should we lock up Obama?

https://thepostmillennial.com/obama-nixon-delayed-for-years-in-returning-presidential-records-act-covered-documents

“Politico reported in 2014 that Obama administration lawyers had repeatedly invoked the Presidential Records Act to "delay the release of thousands of pages of records from President Bill Clinton’s White House."

At the end of Obama’s two-term presidency, he reportedly trucked 30 million pages of administration records gathered during his time in office to Chicago, where he promised to digitize them and put them online.

But years since the end of his presidency, the National Archives states that zero of the estimated 39,000,000 pages have been scanned. Speaking with BBC Newshour, Professor Benjamin Hufbauer said that it could take around 100 years to fully process all these records from the Obama administration.

Those documents are in the possession of the National Archives and Records Administration, in a facility it controls. They are not in Obama’s spare bathroom.

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Anonymous wrote:The indictment is online at NYtimes and it’s nuts. This mofo kept these secrets in a shower and on stage at Maralgo.

This photo is even worse than the shower and ballroom ones IMO.

Jesus; what a dump.

I agree

The people here are too evil and crooked to even care.

Even you guys aren’t stupid enough to think the cases are similar.

They aren't. Biden should never have removed classified documents, given he never had to power to declassify - ever. So finding them in his garage is worse. Removing the photo from this thread is an admission of that.

I'd really encourage you to read the full indictment. The Biden "case" and this one aren't remotely similar. In fact, none of the Trump charges involve the initial removal of the classified info. They only charged what he did after the subpoena.

They never are. Again, because you seem to be too dumb to understand. Biden should NEVER have had classified documents ANYWHERE in his home. EVER.

But Trump should have? The documents were taken to his home after he was no longer president. That was okay?

He had the power to declassify. Biden never had that power as VP or as a Senator.

“This is secret information. Look, look at this.” —Donald J Trump, post-presidency

Please, can I hear that tape as well?

So arrest Biden too, right? Trump had the power to declassify and no, he didn’t need permission.

Could you translate that into rational language?

Biden, as then senator and then VP, had classified documents that he could not have declassified at any point in time. So he should be arrested right?

Please read up on what Trump did. He is not being charged for what Biden did. You sound incredibly uninformed.

What’s uninformed is you not understanding that Biden broke the law. You all seem to be misled into thinking that it’s not about breaking the law, it’s about how the law was broken. That’s why this case will end up being decided by the SC. What this indictment is all about is tying up Trump from rallies and campaigning. I was actually thinking of voting for someone else but now, I am 110% behind Trump. I don’t’ like the man but I HATE miscarriages of justice more. And it has been three years of not prosecuting hardened criminals leading to the deaths of others. Three years of blatantly not protecting our borders. Three years of seeing FBI agents placed in churches and other institutions to spy on Americans. Three years of watching people lose jobs, being dragged off to jail for defending children, coverups of attacks on women in public schools, being lied to by some of our most prominent medical institutions so they could be bought off by big Pharma.

Imagine how big the crimes in government have to be in order for government to want to put Trump away this badly, how big those crimes must be to want to turn on a huge part of the population of the US. How big the payoffs are going to be if we just dispose of our Constitution. I wonder how far this government will go to ‘put down’ an ‘insurrection’. Remember, the very definition of tyranny is when the guns of the government turn inward.

You are delusional. Show us where Biden refused to comply with investigators regarding documents, where he deliberately hid them, got others to help hide them, repeatedly told lies about all of it - you can't. And as for all your other supposed government lies and coverups and malfeasance, it happened on Trump's watch - yet somehow you still think Trump is the solution?

JFC, Biden should not have even have the opportunity to comply. Yes, he should, as a PP explained, willfullness and intent are part of the law. There is no proof of either with Biden A US Senator or VP does NOT have the powers of declassification. they don't and no one has claimed they did Trump did under the Presidential Records Act. but he didn't declassify THESE documents WHILE he was president, hence they were still classified And btw, neither did Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. true, and yert she never had classified files on her server - they were classified AFTER the fact Those were blatant violations of law. Not ‘hiding them’ , as you say, isn’t even a consideration. It was illegal for them to possess those documents Yes, but the law isn't ONLY about possession and that you keep bleating about this simply exposes YOUR ignorance


Under Trump’s watch? No (I’d call you Ma’am or Sir, but who knows how you identify and Lord knows, I would not want to be ‘impolite’).

Also, with 4 years of Trump and Trump appointed AG's and given the people who were actually investigated as a witch hunt under his rule, the fact that no charges were brought, even against Hillary, is quite a tell.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

You people have some weird mythology in your heads about "the President can declassify." There's a process for declassifying documents, even for the President. The process is NOT the President waving his hands and gesturing broadly, saying "I declassify this stuff' or simply willing it to be declassified with his mind. And if the process isn't followed, there is no way of knowing what is or isn't declassified and it would be chaos. If the downgrading and declassification process isn't followed or there is no evidence it was followed then it remains classified.

You are incorrect.

Nope. There is a legal process for declassification. Please provide a link that shows a president can think it or will it, and it becomes so.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

You people have some weird mythology in your heads about "the President can declassify." There's a process for declassifying documents, even for the President. The process is NOT the President waving his hands and gesturing broadly, saying "I declassify this stuff' or simply willing it to be declassified with his mind. And if the process isn't followed, there is no way of knowing what is or isn't declassified and it would be chaos. If the downgrading and declassification process isn't followed or there is no evidence it was followed then it remains classified.

You are incorrect.

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“ The president alone has the authority to classify and declassify at will solely because of his plenary power over the executive branch. He does not have the constitutional authority to delegate this fundamental power to subordinates anymore than he has the authority to issue an executive order making the vice president commander-in-chief barring extremely rare circumstances (e.g., illness).” - from Constitutional law/lawyers (not ABC/CNN fact check crap).

So you are saying the CIA, NSA, DoD has absolutely no idea whatsoever what is or isn't classified even if it is sitting in a SCIF marked TS/SCI/FOFORN etc because the President might have unilaterally, in a vacuum declassified them without informing anyone. That sounds like complete insanity and is no way to run a government.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

You people have some weird mythology in your heads about "the President can declassify." There's a process for declassifying documents, even for the President. The process is NOT the President waving his hands and gesturing broadly, saying "I declassify this stuff' or simply willing it to be declassified with his mind. And if the process isn't followed, there is no way of knowing what is or isn't declassified and it would be chaos. If the downgrading and declassification process isn't followed or there is no evidence it was followed then it remains classified.

You are incorrect.

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“ The president alone has the authority to classify and declassify at will solely because of his plenary power over the executive branch. He does not have the constitutional authority to delegate this fundamental power to subordinates anymore than he has the authority to issue an executive order making the vice president commander-in-chief barring extremely rare circumstances (e.g., illness).” - from Constitutional law/lawyers (not ABC/CNN fact check crap).

And even with this, there is still a process. My god, you people are stupid.

Yes, only a president can declassify, and it cannot be delegated. That doesn't mean there aren't reviews with disclosures about implication with three-letter experts prior to declassification.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

But he didn’t declassify them. And they have him on tape admitting he didn’t.

+1000 And, let's be honest - they wouldn't have any value to him if they were declassified.

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Anonymous wrote:Should we lock up Obama?

https://thepostmillennial.com/obama-nixon-delayed-for-years-in-returning-presidential-records-act-covered-documents

“Politico reported in 2014 that Obama administration lawyers had repeatedly invoked the Presidential Records Act to "delay the release of thousands of pages of records from President Bill Clinton’s White House."

At the end of Obama’s two-term presidency, he reportedly trucked 30 million pages of administration records gathered during his time in office to Chicago, where he promised to digitize them and put them online.

But years since the end of his presidency, the National Archives states that zero of the estimated 39,000,000 pages have been scanned. Speaking with BBC Newshour, Professor Benjamin Hufbauer said that it could take around 100 years to fully process all these records from the Obama administration.

This has nothing to do with PRA. The PRA isn’t mentioned once in the indictment.

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None of these Trump defenders has actually read the indictment. They are just spouting on what they see on twitter or Fox news without understanding the law, or what these charges actually entail.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

You people have some weird mythology in your heads about "the President can declassify." There's a process for declassifying documents, even for the President. The process is NOT the President waving his hands and gesturing broadly, saying "I declassify this stuff' or simply willing it to be declassified with his mind. And if the process isn't followed, there is no way of knowing what is or isn't declassified and it would be chaos. If the downgrading and declassification process isn't followed or there is no evidence it was followed then it remains classified.

You are incorrect.

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“ The president alone has the authority to classify and declassify at will solely because of his plenary power over the executive branch. He does not have the constitutional authority to delegate this fundamental power to subordinates anymore than he has the authority to issue an executive order making the vice president commander-in-chief barring extremely rare circumstances (e.g., illness).” - from Constitutional law/lawyers (not ABC/CNN fact check crap).

So you are saying the CIA, NSA, DoD has absolutely no idea whatsoever what is or isn't classified even if it is sitting in a SCIF marked TS/SCI/FOFORN etc because the President might have unilaterally, in a vacuum declassified them without informing anyone. That sounds like complete insanity and is no way to run a government.

Not only is it no way to run a government, but the fact that this person believes something that even Trump knows to not be true truly shows how ignorant and lemming-like the adherents are.

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Anonymous wrote:Should we lock up Obama?

https://thepostmillennial.com/obama-nixon-delayed-for-years-in-returning-presidential-records-act-covered-documents

“Politico reported in 2014 that Obama administration lawyers had repeatedly invoked the Presidential Records Act to "delay the release of thousands of pages of records from President Bill Clinton’s White House."

At the end of Obama’s two-term presidency, he reportedly trucked 30 million pages of administration records gathered during his time in office to Chicago, where he promised to digitize them and put them online.

But years since the end of his presidency, the National Archives states that zero of the estimated 39,000,000 pages have been scanned. Speaking with BBC Newshour, Professor Benjamin Hufbauer said that it could take around 100 years to fully process all these records from the Obama administration.

This has nothing to do with PRA. The PRA isn’t mentioned once in the indictment.

Interesting, that.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

But he didn’t declassify them. And they have him on tape admitting he didn’t.

LOL. No, they don’t. They claim they do. CNN has the exclusive dontchaknow

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

1) he didn't declassify what he held on to
2) there is a process., He cannot just think it or demand it

What you have demonstrated is that you re commenting without having read the indictment. Be better.

Again, you are wrong

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Anonymous wrote:One thing is clear to me... The ultimate lesson from the Trump indictment: No More Pretenses

There is the Uniparty and their Praetorian Guard, and then there's everybody else.

So Trump can shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and it would be OK?

But he never did, did he. It was a joke.

This is as serious a crime as one can commit against the USA, and yet, people like you dismiss it. THAT is the point. It is a cult.

Proud member

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Anonymous wrote:Should we lock up Obama?

https://thepostmillennial.com/obama-nixon-delayed-for-years-in-returning-presidential-records-act-covered-documents

“Politico reported in 2014 that Obama administration lawyers had repeatedly invoked the Presidential Records Act to "delay the release of thousands of pages of records from President Bill Clinton’s White House."

At the end of Obama’s two-term presidency, he reportedly trucked 30 million pages of administration records gathered during his time in office to Chicago, where he promised to digitize them and put them online.

But years since the end of his presidency, the National Archives states that zero of the estimated 39,000,000 pages have been scanned. Speaking with BBC Newshour, Professor Benjamin Hufbauer said that it could take around 100 years to fully process all these records from the Obama administration.

Those documents are in the possession of the National Archives and Records Administration, in a facility it controls. They are not in Obama’s spare bathroom.

Sock drawers anyone?

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Only the tan sock drawer.

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This is what the right is defending. It shows just what a traitor Trump has been, like Benedict Arnold bad.