People who ruin neighborhoods (like tkpk) by putting their kids in private school

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Anonymous wrote:My children aren’t circus performers, existing to model proper behavior to animals.

Damn

Yeah, if you want to feel better about your decision to stick with public school, head over to the private school board and do some reading

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Correct. BTW Biden attended private school from K-12, including when he was “poor” in early childhood (he grew up in the richest neighborhood of his hometown, it is filled with houses that are insanely nice & look like castles). He proceeded to send his sons & daughter to private school from k through college despite when was underwater on his houses & barely LMC in terms of incomes & assets. He hates public schools and has never set foot in one.

I mean, Biden attended parish schools, then a private Catholic high school, then a public undergraduate. This feels pretty par for the course for an Irish Catholic family of their era.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in Takoma Park, and honestly I'm a little confused by OP's post. Most of the families in the community use the public schools. It seems like what OP is upset about is the relatively small slice of TkPk that is in the Historic District and therefore the wealthiest sliver of a diverse city.

Those families don't tend to be fleeing for ritzy privates for the social stature. More often, they have some 'horseshoe theory' beliefs around government schools stifling the creativity of children and preparing them for a life of mindless capitalism.

That's actually a different value set, and therefore a different discussion than the folks arguing that private school is better because it grants you entry into the halls of power.

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+2. Frankly, I do not see this even in the historic district (we live a couple block beyond its "boundary.") There are like a million kids here and they all go to TPES/PBES and TP middle school. Can't really speak to high school yet. Perhaps I just haven't been let in to the elite circle of mindless capitalists yet lol...

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Anonymous wrote:I get what you’re saying, OP. People are absolutely allowed to be disappointed at this. It reminds me of Kemp Mill in Silver Spring, which is a well-off suburban neighborhood that has a bad elementary school because so many of the locals send their kids to private Jewish schools. When the middle class parents stop caring and participating, schools suffer.

Kemp Mill isn't a "bad" school, test-score wise it's not all that different from other neighboring ESs. Sure, there are a lot of needy kids there but those kids would still be there even if more of the higher-SES Jewish kids attended. Maybe the test scores would be slightly higher but on the flip side it's title 1 status means the class sizes are small.

But really, anyone who moves to Kemp Mill, Woodmoor, etc. and then is surprised that many kids attend the religious school located IN THE SAME NEIGHORHOOD clearly didn't do their homework.

It's great to hear Kemp Mill has improved. In 2019 the staff survey found only 11% of staff felt staff morale was good at the school
https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php?l=0&sch=805&survey=2019SSE&type=Staff&comparison=2

Unfortunately staff morale is pretty low on MCPS in general.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that these kids get into Yale from their so-called "inadequate" public schools is a testament to the fact that our fears of public schools are irrational.

If public school was so great for those kids, why not attend a public university too?

Many public university graduates are very successful and make a lot of money. I have a classmate that went to Frostburg State, where she met her husband. They are doing very well and have an enormous house. I'm not sure what your point is.

Exactly, so why bash private schools k-12 and then turn around and send your kid to private U?

Your college ends up on your resume for life and, even decades after graduation, it can play a role in whether you get a job or not. Not so with elementary, middle, and high schools.

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Nope. Private k-12 matters far more in terms of college preparation, future dating & friendships, becoming acculturated, socialization and poise. Your kid who went to a LMC public school will forever be an interloper an Ivy. Hopefully they are prepared enough to finish a useful major, but that’s unlikely. Kids who went to independent schools dominate the Greek life, secret society & eating club scenes no matter where they go to college.

Ew, this is precisely why I didn't send my kids to private. PP, we do not share the same values.

HHI of 7 figures, BTW.

Also gross to tell us your HHI.

Well it's not like I announce it at parties. This is anonymous discussion about our choices, and by indicating that I avoid snobby wealthy people, I will inevitably get the response, "Oh, you're just jealous that you can't afford to send your kid to my swanky private school." I was just heading that one off at the pass.

Right, you send your kids to surgically segregated publics instead. So much more noble to do that!

What does surgically segregated mean?

Very carefully drawn boundaries to keep out poor people/subsidized housing/rentals.

Well that quite the assumption.

Our elementary school is 60% economically disadvantaged and 70% Black and brown. Our (unaccredited) middle school has similar stats, and one of the three feeder schools (40% of the school) is horribly hyper-segregated and draws almost entirely from a public housing court. I have kids in both schools.

I'm (secretly) paying for the bus for the school field trip to Luray Caverns. Much better use of my money than the private schools that try to visit our school on their "empathy tour." Our students are not a zoo exhibit to teach you to count your blessings. Sorry that your bubble creates a deficit in this area.

It is child abuse to send your children to horribly failing schools when you have a 7-figure HHI. Enjoy your social experiment while your kids still speak to you.

Yes, living your espoused values of equality, charity, and civic duty is one of the worst things for children. Much better to worship status and materialism.

Your kids are going to resent you.

It’s a huge benefit later in life to be able to say that you are the product of public schools, especially if you get involved in politics.

We haven’t had a president educated in a public high school in the 21st century.

Correct. BTW Biden attended private school from K-12, including when he was “poor” in early childhood (he grew up in the richest neighborhood of his hometown, it is filled with houses that are insanely nice & look like castles). He proceeded to send his sons & daughter to private school from k through college despite when was underwater on his houses & barely LMC in terms of incomes & assets. He hates public schools and has never set foot in one.

So you agree that being a product of the public school system is a huge asset, politically-speaking? J.D. Vance went from no political career whatsoever to the U.S. Senate largely based on his public school upbringing and hardscrabble mythos. I’ll bet he never once mentioned Yale during the campaign.

Okay, this is a bonkerballs summary of Vance's life. Yes, he had an (exaggerated) hardscabble mythos, but he has been groomed for politics since he worked for a GOP politician as an undergraduate. Yale law, where he worked on his memoir (clearly a political step), onward to a hot second in corporate law and then to work for Peter Thiel, who is himself extremely political.

This has been the plan all along, and it is super weird that you are laundering this story of him sort of tripping into politics.

I’m the PP who originally mentioned J.D. Vance. My point in bringing him up wasn’t to congratulate him on his accomplishments, though he does deserve some admiration and respect there. I just wanted to show that most people don’t and won’t feel resentment or shame for not having attended elite private schools, as some on this board have claimed. To be sure, I think most would wear their public school upbringing as a badge of honor. That is certainly the case with J.D. Vance. It is probably his greatest asset as a politician and I’m sure he knows it. Even non-politicians are happy to tell you that they went to public schools because it is an indicator that their accomplishments in life were earned, not given to them.

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Anonymous wrote:I get what you’re saying, OP. People are absolutely allowed to be disappointed at this. It reminds me of Kemp Mill in Silver Spring, which is a well-off suburban neighborhood that has a bad elementary school because so many of the locals send their kids to private Jewish schools. When the middle class parents stop caring and participating, schools suffer.

Kemp Mill isn't a "bad" school, test-score wise it's not all that different from other neighboring ESs. Sure, there are a lot of needy kids there but those kids would still be there even if more of the higher-SES Jewish kids attended. Maybe the test scores would be slightly higher but on the flip side it's title 1 status means the class sizes are small.

But really, anyone who moves to Kemp Mill, Woodmoor, etc. and then is surprised that many kids attend the religious school located IN THE SAME NEIGHORHOOD clearly didn't do their homework.

I'd extend this to the OP. Anyone who moves to Takoma Park and then is surprised that many kids attend Waldorf schools, Friends schools, or homeschool, then then they didn't do their homework.

Ooh- this is a good analysis. The Waldorf school or SSFS for example are for Takoma Park what the Catholic school in Woodmoor is, or the Jewish school in Kemp Mill!

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Anonymous wrote:I get what you’re saying, OP. People are absolutely allowed to be disappointed at this. It reminds me of Kemp Mill in Silver Spring, which is a well-off suburban neighborhood that has a bad elementary school because so many of the locals send their kids to private Jewish schools. When the middle class parents stop caring and participating, schools suffer.

Kemp Mill isn't a "bad" school, test-score wise it's not all that different from other neighboring ESs. Sure, there are a lot of needy kids there but those kids would still be there even if more of the higher-SES Jewish kids attended. Maybe the test scores would be slightly higher but on the flip side it's title 1 status means the class sizes are small.

But really, anyone who moves to Kemp Mill, Woodmoor, etc. and then is surprised that many kids attend the religious school located IN THE SAME NEIGHORHOOD clearly didn't do their homework.

It's great to hear Kemp Mill has improved. In 2019 the staff survey found only 11% of staff felt staff morale was good at the school
https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php?l=0&sch=805&survey=2019SSE&type=Staff&comparison=2

Unfortunately staff morale is pretty low on MCPS in general.

For this particular survey the average across MCPS for teachers that thought staff morale is positive was 70%..so not great, but not 11%

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OP why not live in TP DC and send your kid to the local there, if you want to improve public schools with your UMC status?

Did you at all choose your location based on....schools?

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Anonymous wrote:I get what you’re saying, OP. People are absolutely allowed to be disappointed at this. It reminds me of Kemp Mill in Silver Spring, which is a well-off suburban neighborhood that has a bad elementary school because so many of the locals send their kids to private Jewish schools. When the middle class parents stop caring and participating, schools suffer.

Kemp Mill isn't a "bad" school, test-score wise it's not all that different from other neighboring ESs. Sure, there are a lot of needy kids there but those kids would still be there even if more of the higher-SES Jewish kids attended. Maybe the test scores would be slightly higher but on the flip side it's title 1 status means the class sizes are small.

But really, anyone who moves to Kemp Mill, Woodmoor, etc. and then is surprised that many kids attend the religious school located IN THE SAME NEIGHORHOOD clearly didn't do their homework.

I'd extend this to the OP. Anyone who moves to Takoma Park and then is surprised that many kids attend Waldorf schools, Friends schools, or homeschool, then then they didn't do their homework.

Ooh- this is a good analysis. The Waldorf school or SSFS for example are for Takoma Park what the Catholic school in Woodmoor is, or the Jewish school in Kemp Mill!

I did wonder that. What private schools are in TKPK? Or are they sending their kids further away?

Also, all the kids in DC EOTP go to different schools because of the charters. They still play together.

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Anonymous wrote:More of a vent, but i am uttterly frustrated by people with money who move into nice MC neighborhoods like tkpk or silver spring with relatively good schools to get bigger houses and then choose to put their precious kids in private schools.

We are trying to build a community and bring the schools up and these people create a bad trend of pulling a whole group of UMC kids out of the public schools because they cannot handle the diversity and challenges of public schools. All while claiming to be left leaning and to have a social compass. But that is pure white flight. It is depressing. And they dont even seem to see how political and impactful their choice is.

I really wish they stayed out of my city and went to live next to the private schools they send their kids to.

Translation: We are strivers who worked our butts off and clawed our way into what we thought was a premier neighborhood. We envisioned we and our children would make fast friends with upper middle class and rich new neighbors, parents and classmates. Read social climb. We quickly discovered we are actually on a lower rung and nobody with deep pockets sends their kid to what we thought were excellent public schools — and thus, they don’t socialize with us or our kids.

lol petty good translation there

This is to die for.
I live in a small, old house in a middle-class neighborhood and send my kids to the private school in the UMC town a few miles away. I think my way was smarter.

Meh, now do the person who stretched to afford private school only to find the parents are cliquey and uninterested in anyone without money/status, the teachers and admin prioritize the big donors and VIPs to everyone else's detriment, and you constantly have to explain to your kid why they can't do the same activities, vacations, and shopping sprees as their friends. Oh and they can't get into a good college because the college counselors can only recommend so many kids and oh yeah, those spots are going to the kids of the donors and VIPs

Oy vey, post some more corny stereotypical tropes you nutbag. The ruthless status obsessed cliques dominate the UMC public schools. Everyone is warm and inviting across the HHI spectrum at privates.

Haha, good one

Another public school crank. You're a broken record.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that these kids get into Yale from their so-called "inadequate" public schools is a testament to the fact that our fears of public schools are irrational.

If public school was so great for those kids, why not attend a public university too?

Many public university graduates are very successful and make a lot of money. I have a classmate that went to Frostburg State, where she met her husband. They are doing very well and have an enormous house. I'm not sure what your point is.

Exactly, so why bash private schools k-12 and then turn around and send your kid to private U?

Your college ends up on your resume for life and, even decades after graduation, it can play a role in whether you get a job or not. Not so with elementary, middle, and high schools.

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Nope. Private k-12 matters far more in terms of college preparation, future dating & friendships, becoming acculturated, socialization and poise. Your kid who went to a LMC public school will forever be an interloper an Ivy. Hopefully they are prepared enough to finish a useful major, but that’s unlikely. Kids who went to independent schools dominate the Greek life, secret society & eating club scenes no matter where they go to college.

Ew, this is precisely why I didn't send my kids to private. PP, we do not share the same values.

HHI of 7 figures, BTW.

Also gross to tell us your HHI.

Well it's not like I announce it at parties. This is anonymous discussion about our choices, and by indicating that I avoid snobby wealthy people, I will inevitably get the response, "Oh, you're just jealous that you can't afford to send your kid to my swanky private school." I was just heading that one off at the pass.

Right, you send your kids to surgically segregated publics instead. So much more noble to do that!

What does surgically segregated mean?

Very carefully drawn boundaries to keep out poor people/subsidized housing/rentals.

Well that quite the assumption.

Our elementary school is 60% economically disadvantaged and 70% Black and brown. Our (unaccredited) middle school has similar stats, and one of the three feeder schools (40% of the school) is horribly hyper-segregated and draws almost entirely from a public housing court. I have kids in both schools.

I'm (secretly) paying for the bus for the school field trip to Luray Caverns. Much better use of my money than the private schools that try to visit our school on their "empathy tour." Our students are not a zoo exhibit to teach you to count your blessings. Sorry that your bubble creates a deficit in this area.

It is child abuse to send your children to horribly failing schools when you have a 7-figure HHI. Enjoy your social experiment while your kids still speak to you.

Yes, living your espoused values of equality, charity, and civic duty is one of the worst things for children. Much better to worship status and materialism.

Your kids are going to resent you.

It’s a huge benefit later in life to be able to say that you are the product of public schools, especially if you get involved in politics.

We haven’t had a president educated in a public high school in the 21st century.

Correct. BTW Biden attended private school from K-12, including when he was “poor” in early childhood (he grew up in the richest neighborhood of his hometown, it is filled with houses that are insanely nice & look like castles). He proceeded to send his sons & daughter to private school from k through college despite when was underwater on his houses & barely LMC in terms of incomes & assets. He hates public schools and has never set foot in one.

So you agree that being a product of the public school system is a huge asset, politically-speaking? J.D. Vance went from no political career whatsoever to the U.S. Senate largely based on his public school upbringing and hardscrabble mythos. I’ll bet he never once mentioned Yale during the campaign.

No it is not an asset.

It’s one of the best ways for a politician to connect to voters and demonstrate how much they have in common. Nobody advertises their elite, private school upbringing because everyone recognizes that it was simply gifted to them by their parents. They didn’t earn it.

Send your kids to second-rate public schools so one day the political machine and billionaire super PACs might make them a political puppet! Please stop.

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It is child abuse to send your children to horribly failing schools when you have a 7-figure HHI. Enjoy your social experiment while your kids still speak to you.

So true. I could be wrong, but I believe Charles Murray sent his children to some backwater public district deep in Virginia or West Virginia. I vaguely recall him laughing during a public appearance that his then adult son said essentially he didn't find his father's social experience funny and couldn't wait to get the hell away from those people.

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People don't want their kids to be on the front lines of the war of gentrification. Many will be willing to put up Little Free Library boxes however.

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Anonymous wrote:People don't want their kids to be on the front lines of the war of gentrification. Many will be willing to put up Little Free Library boxes however.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that these kids get into Yale from their so-called "inadequate" public schools is a testament to the fact that our fears of public schools are irrational.

If public school was so great for those kids, why not attend a public university too?

Many public university graduates are very successful and make a lot of money. I have a classmate that went to Frostburg State, where she met her husband. They are doing very well and have an enormous house. I'm not sure what your point is.

Exactly, so why bash private schools k-12 and then turn around and send your kid to private U?

Your college ends up on your resume for life and, even decades after graduation, it can play a role in whether you get a job or not. Not so with elementary, middle, and high schools.

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Nope. Private k-12 matters far more in terms of college preparation, future dating & friendships, becoming acculturated, socialization and poise. Your kid who went to a LMC public school will forever be an interloper an Ivy. Hopefully they are prepared enough to finish a useful major, but that’s unlikely. Kids who went to independent schools dominate the Greek life, secret society & eating club scenes no matter where they go to college.

Ew, this is precisely why I didn't send my kids to private. PP, we do not share the same values.

HHI of 7 figures, BTW.

Also gross to tell us your HHI.

Well it's not like I announce it at parties. This is anonymous discussion about our choices, and by indicating that I avoid snobby wealthy people, I will inevitably get the response, "Oh, you're just jealous that you can't afford to send your kid to my swanky private school." I was just heading that one off at the pass.

Right, you send your kids to surgically segregated publics instead. So much more noble to do that!

What does surgically segregated mean?

Very carefully drawn boundaries to keep out poor people/subsidized housing/rentals.

Well that quite the assumption.

Our elementary school is 60% economically disadvantaged and 70% Black and brown. Our (unaccredited) middle school has similar stats, and one of the three feeder schools (40% of the school) is horribly hyper-segregated and draws almost entirely from a public housing court. I have kids in both schools.

I'm (secretly) paying for the bus for the school field trip to Luray Caverns. Much better use of my money than the private schools that try to visit our school on their "empathy tour." Our students are not a zoo exhibit to teach you to count your blessings. Sorry that your bubble creates a deficit in this area.

It is child abuse to send your children to horribly failing schools when you have a 7-figure HHI. Enjoy your social experiment while your kids still speak to you.

Yes, living your espoused values of equality, charity, and civic duty is one of the worst things for children. Much better to worship status and materialism.

Your kids are going to resent you.

It’s a huge benefit later in life to be able to say that you are the product of public schools, especially if you get involved in politics.

We haven’t had a president educated in a public high school in the 21st century.

Correct. BTW Biden attended private school from K-12, including when he was “poor” in early childhood (he grew up in the richest neighborhood of his hometown, it is filled with houses that are insanely nice & look like castles). He proceeded to send his sons & daughter to private school from k through college despite when was underwater on his houses & barely LMC in terms of incomes & assets. He hates public schools and has never set foot in one.

So you agree that being a product of the public school system is a huge asset, politically-speaking? J.D. Vance went from no political career whatsoever to the U.S. Senate largely based on his public school upbringing and hardscrabble mythos. I’ll bet he never once mentioned Yale during the campaign.

No it is not an asset.

It’s one of the best ways for a politician to connect to voters and demonstrate how much they have in common. Nobody advertises their elite, private school upbringing because everyone recognizes that it was simply gifted to them by their parents. They didn’t earn it.

Send your kids to second-rate public schools so one day the political machine and billionaire super PACs might make them a political puppet! Please stop.

Yeah I don’t think the “I went to public school” thing has as much street cred as people think it does. Heck, my hometown has had some large racial & economic tensions for a long time. Think within the city limits of Albany or Detroit, but somewhere smaller. The school board of my childhood school district was & is composed of childless & private school parents.

One of my parents ran for school board when I was in high school, put a lot of time & effort into the campaign and proudly stated that they had three children in the city public schools, and that they & my other parent (their spouse) had attended them as well.

My parent lost the race