2023 Girls Recruiting

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Very rarely is there scholarship money involved for girls lacrosse."

They have 13 scholarships to spread out over the roster. On a 36 women roster that a little over a 1/3 scholarship per kid. Some will get more some less.

Is that not accurate?



That is accurate. 13 scholarships refer to a fully funded D1 program. For only D1 (non-Ivy) programs on the women's side, in our experience, those scholarships are typically split up amongst the team as you describe, at different percentages. Typically, a coach will offer a higher percentage to the first few girls in a recruiting class, and then levels were go down from there in the class. Sure, it is possible some may get nothing, and that top girls in the entire country get offered quite a bit. Further, the coach will often back load the percentages, meaning freshman year scholarship money is a lower percentage then senior year. We know a girl whose fractional scholarship was changed to a majority scholarship after her performance freshman year (at a mid level D1 school). One curve ball is for public universities. Their money pool is based on out of state tuition. So in theory, if their in state tuition price was half of their out of state price, they could double their “full rides” from 13 to 26 if they had a roster of only in state girls. That example is extreme, but you can see how it would provide a coach at a public school more flexibility. Also, if your “out of state” child has great grades, they may qualify for an in state tuition waiver from the public school, further helping the public coach with spreading their scholarship dollars around. Note that all these examples have nothing to do w grants or need based aid. Also, some parents recognize this athletic scholarship dynamic and will tell the coach during the process that they require no athletic money, possibly making their daughter a more attractive recruit versus a recruit that a coach would have to allocate scholarship dollars to.


What everyone is missing is the math here. Yes they have 13 scholarships to spread out if they want to, but typically its more like 1/4 or 1/5, and there are definite exceptions and nuances. State schools may offer scholarship for year 1, but then flip to in-state for the next three. Goalies or draw specialists who are truly specialists may get closer to 1/2. But until we get to the 2025 class, the 5th years from the NCAAs COVID policy really jacks up rosters and reduces the overall number of recruits from 9-10 per class to 6-8 per class. So, while there are just over 100 D1 programs, you're maybe looking at 600 spots total, assuming there's not a big influx to whatever school you are looking at from the transfer portal. But again, its the math. The NCAAs own statistics show that only 3 percent of girls or boys playing high school or club lax will play D1. So if your DD or DS is lucky enough to commit to a school that they want to go to and further their academics, its about the preferred admission and not the money. This is the value.
Anonymous
IS there some list of the D1 women's programs that are fully funded vs not?

Just curious.

Anonymous
No. Its one of the questions you have to ask during your recruiting visit as it can fluctuate. If you don't want to ask the coaches you can ask the players or players families, but its really more of a coaching staff question.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I guess test scores don't matter then now?

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/operations/governing-bodies/article/15288674/ncaa-moves-to-nix-test-score-requirements-for-athletes


"The task force, chaired by Morgan State President David Wilson, was formed as a result of the NCAA's eight-point plan to advance racial equity."

How insulting is that?
Anonymous
Starts with the 2025 recruiting class
Anonymous
Just the further lowering if expectations for athletes in college. At this point why even have athletics in college? Just move them to their own athlete communities where they are clearly there just to play and make money.

Too many high schools will give kids fake grades to keep them playing. It’s such a racket. And then athletes take the places for kids who actually want to learn and study in college.

Standardized test scores are the ONLY way to ensure the kids admitted to a school have the academic ability necessary.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I guess test scores don't matter then now?

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/operations/governing-bodies/article/15288674/ncaa-moves-to-nix-test-score-requirements-for-athletes


“values-based and data-driven decisions” …., what BS.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Just the further lowering if expectations for athletes in college. At this point why even have athletics in college? Just move them to their own athlete communities where they are clearly there just to play and make money.

Too many high schools will give kids fake grades to keep them playing. It’s such a racket. And then athletes take the places for kids who actually want to learn and study in college.

Standardized test scores are the ONLY way to ensure the kids admitted to a school have the academic ability necessary.


Then you’ll be happy to know that coaches at the most competitive academic schools are still pushing / expecting committed athletes to take standardized tests and get high scores, regardless of the “optional” admissions policies of their respective institutions (or action by the NCAA to remove the requirement altogether). Any athlete considering a top academic school breathing a sigh of relief that she no longer needs to take the ACT or SAT should think again.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just the further lowering if expectations for athletes in college. At this point why even have athletics in college? Just move them to their own athlete communities where they are clearly there just to play and make money.

Too many high schools will give kids fake grades to keep them playing. It’s such a racket. And then athletes take the places for kids who actually want to learn and study in college.

Standardized test scores are the ONLY way to ensure the kids admitted to a school have the academic ability necessary.


Then you’ll be happy to know that coaches at the most competitive academic schools are still pushing / expecting committed athletes to take standardized tests and get high scores, regardless of the “optional” admissions policies of their respective institutions (or action by the NCAA to remove the requirement altogether). Any athlete considering a top academic school breathing a sigh of relief that she no longer needs to take the ACT or SAT should think again.


Fantastic.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just the further lowering if expectations for athletes in college. At this point why even have athletics in college? Just move them to their own athlete communities where they are clearly there just to play and make money.

Too many high schools will give kids fake grades to keep them playing. It’s such a racket. And then athletes take the places for kids who actually want to learn and study in college.

Standardized test scores are the ONLY way to ensure the kids admitted to a school have the academic ability necessary.


Then you’ll be happy to know that coaches at the most competitive academic schools are still pushing / expecting committed athletes to take standardized tests and get high scores, regardless of the “optional” admissions policies of their respective institutions (or action by the NCAA to remove the requirement altogether). Any athlete considering a top academic school breathing a sigh of relief that she no longer needs to take the ACT or SAT should think again.[/quot


Mostly false at "top academic" D1 schools, and mostly true at "top academic" D3 schools.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just the further lowering if expectations for athletes in college. At this point why even have athletics in college? Just move them to their own athlete communities where they are clearly there just to play and make money.

Too many high schools will give kids fake grades to keep them playing. It’s such a racket. And then athletes take the places for kids who actually want to learn and study in college.

Standardized test scores are the ONLY way to ensure the kids admitted to a school have the academic ability necessary.


Then you’ll be happy to know that coaches at the most competitive academic schools are still pushing / expecting committed athletes to take standardized tests and get high scores, regardless of the “optional” admissions policies of their respective institutions (or action by the NCAA to remove the requirement altogether). Any athlete considering a top academic school breathing a sigh of relief that she no longer needs to take the ACT or SAT should think again.[/quot


Mostly false at "top academic" D1 schools, and mostly true at "top academic" D3 schools.


You’re wrong. Going through this now at top D1 academic.
Anonymous
Top Academic D1 means the Ivies, Stanford, Duke, and Hopkins. No way in hell those schools are going to let in a player who can’t get at least a semi-decent score (1350 minimum) on the SAT.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Top Academic D1 means the Ivies, Stanford, Duke, and Hopkins. No way in hell those schools are going to let in a player who can’t get at least a semi-decent score (1350 minimum) on the SAT.


Duke has a bit lower guardrails than others. Each coach gets one or two "exceptions" per recruiting class again a much lower standard.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Top Academic D1 means the Ivies, Stanford, Duke, and Hopkins. No way in hell those schools are going to let in a player who can’t get at least a semi-decent score (1350 minimum) on the SAT.


Happens more than you think, they are called legacies. Sometimes, it's just who you know or your family name. Future president. This Harvard man's essay was incredible. I can see why they let him in.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a39004070/jfk-harvard-admissions-essay-viral/
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