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Anonymous wrote:I just looked up his teams. His girls team went 7-2-1 in the fall, they are 2nd in the league. For all the shade being thrown on the board, he seems to have done a pretty good job. If players left, maybe they weren't good enough to be there.

Yeah they had a good league season, tourneys not so much. Their strength of schedule was mediocre in the fall, so hopefully they can continue the success in the spring. The kids declined offers with his team but nice try trying to throw shade at 10/11 year olds.

You’re the one who keeps bringing up how these kids “made the team but declined offers” ok buddy give it a rest. You felt slighted by a coach, happens to a lot of families at different clubs every single season. You said your peace about not liking a coach. Just focus on your DD and her new team and not focusing on this valor thread.

DP. I think this brings up a larger issue of which is more important — a winning record or having your child around a coach who is at least somewhat of a decent role model. Do you put or keep your kid on a team if you know the coach is saying things that can be damaging to kids, and/or talking about kids to other adults? If it’s not being directed at your kid do you overlook it or do you get them out of that environment? I think parents put up with too much crap from sports coaches when part of the reason they are doing sports is the life lessons. I guess if you’re convinced your kid will get a scholarship you just deal with whatever the coaches are dishing out and maybe feel like there is no choice. But isn’t it our job as parents to at least try to put our kids in a positive environment? I don’t think being a good coach and a good person have to be mutually exclusive, but so many seem to accept mean and outright abusive coaches just to be on certain teams.

Totally agree. I think we should surface issues around a coach so others can be informed. It is important to make the distinction between a kid left because they didnt make a team vs they chose to leave and the implied theme/ common denominator is the coach. Also, isnt he the age group director or something. So if there are concerns with him then that implies a pervasive concern around most of the coaches within the age group of his influence and TD decision to put him in that position.

[Anonymous]

This is a one hell of a pivot. To go from "never trust a man who changs his name" to I just am "protecting my kid from meanies" seems disingenuous.

We are on the Valor thread, no one at valor should have expectations of college scholarships. Parents may have their kids there to prep them for a vda or fvu but to suggest that a poster on a valor thread is worried about college shows how stuck in your own world you are.

The reality is that a coach didn't believe in your kid, didn't want them and you are now butthurt posting on a message board, you are not saving the world from bad coaching practices. Like the poster before you said stop obsessing over your ex

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a one hell of a pivot. To go from "never trust a man who changs his name" to I just am "protecting my kid from meanies" seems disingenuous.

We are on the Valor thread, no one at valor should have expectations of college scholarships. Parents may have their kids there to prep them for a vda or fvu but to suggest that a poster on a valor thread is worried about college shows how stuck in your own world you are.

The reality is that a coach didn't believe in your kid, didn't want them and you are now butthurt posting on a message board, you are not saving the world from bad coaching practices. Like the poster before you said stop obsessing over your ex

Why is it so hard for you to accept that sometimes kids leave teams even if they were liked by a coach because they and the parents don’t like the overall environment and team dynamic? I tend to think kids who are good enough to have options are the ones who leave, while maybe the ones who stay are afraid they can’t make the same level team elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just looked up his teams. His girls team went 7-2-1 in the fall, they are 2nd in the league. For all the shade being thrown on the board, he seems to have done a pretty good job. If players left, maybe they weren't good enough to be there.

Yeah they had a good league season, tourneys not so much. Their strength of schedule was mediocre in the fall, so hopefully they can continue the success in the spring. The kids declined offers with his team but nice try trying to throw shade at 10/11 year olds.

You’re the one who keeps bringing up how these kids “made the team but declined offers” ok buddy give it a rest. You felt slighted by a coach, happens to a lot of families at different clubs every single season. You said your peace about not liking a coach. Just focus on your DD and her new team and not focusing on this valor thread.

DP. I think this brings up a larger issue of which is more important — a winning record or having your child around a coach who is at least somewhat of a decent role model. Do you put or keep your kid on a team if you know the coach is saying things that can be damaging to kids, and/or talking about kids to other adults? If it’s not being directed at your kid do you overlook it or do you get them out of that environment? I think parents put up with too much crap from sports coaches when part of the reason they are doing sports is the life lessons. I guess if you’re convinced your kid will get a scholarship you just deal with whatever the coaches are dishing out and maybe feel like there is no choice. But isn’t it our job as parents to at least try to put our kids in a positive environment? I don’t think being a good coach and a good person have to be mutually exclusive, but so many seem to accept mean and outright abusive coaches just to be on certain teams.

Totally agree. I think we should surface issues around a coach so others can be informed. It is important to make the distinction between a kid left because they didnt make a team vs they chose to leave and the implied theme/ common denominator is the coach. Also, isnt he the age group director or something. So if there are concerns with him then that implies a pervasive concern around most of the coaches within the age group of his influence and TD decision to put him in that position.

it's not that serious. there are worse coaches at many different clubs in the dmv that have done far worse for players confidence. if he wasn't a decent role model for your kid then bring them elsewhere. not everyone gentle parents and is looking for a coach to coddle their child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a one hell of a pivot. To go from "never trust a man who changs his name" to I just am "protecting my kid from meanies" seems disingenuous.

We are on the Valor thread, no one at valor should have expectations of college scholarships. Parents may have their kids there to prep them for a vda or fvu but to suggest that a poster on a valor thread is worried about college shows how stuck in your own world you are.

The reality is that a coach didn't believe in your kid, didn't want them and you are now butthurt posting on a message board, you are not saving the world from bad coaching practices. Like the poster before you said stop obsessing over your ex

Why is it so hard for you to accept that sometimes kids leave teams even if they were liked by a coach because they and the parents don’t like the overall environment and team dynamic? I tend to think kids who are good enough to have options are the ones who leave, while maybe the ones who stay are afraid they can’t make the same level team elsewhere.

I don't know what this has to do with the post. Sure, let's pretend this is true it still looks like you are a crazy ex obsessing over a team that you left what 8 months ago. Let it go dude. It's the weird obsession that makes it hard to believe you were "wanted"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a one hell of a pivot. To go from "never trust a man who changs his name" to I just am "protecting my kid from meanies" seems disingenuous.

We are on the Valor thread, no one at valor should have expectations of college scholarships. Parents may have their kids there to prep them for a vda or fvu but to suggest that a poster on a valor thread is worried about college shows how stuck in your own world you are.

The reality is that a coach didn't believe in your kid, didn't want them and you are now butthurt posting on a message board, you are not saving the world from bad coaching practices. Like the poster before you said stop obsessing over your ex

Why is it so hard for you to accept that sometimes kids leave teams even if they were liked by a coach because they and the parents don’t like the overall environment and team dynamic? I tend to think kids who are good enough to have options are the ones who leave, while maybe the ones who stay are afraid they can’t make the same level team elsewhere.

I don't know what this has to do with the post. Sure, let's pretend this is true it still looks like you are a crazy ex obsessing over a team that you left what 8 months ago. Let it go dude. It's the weird obsession that makes it hard to believe you were "wanted"

The relevance is that 60% of your players staying 40% leaving isn't actually a good percentage. The club overall going from 3 teams to 2 teams for 9v9 isn't a great metric. Especially when they have to go to 11v11 next year. But if you like your coach to belittle and provide false promises for a middling level club then you do you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a one hell of a pivot. To go from "never trust a man who changs his name" to I just am "protecting my kid from meanies" seems disingenuous.

We are on the Valor thread, no one at valor should have expectations of college scholarships. Parents may have their kids there to prep them for a vda or fvu but to suggest that a poster on a valor thread is worried about college shows how stuck in your own world you are.

The reality is that a coach didn't believe in your kid, didn't want them and you are now butthurt posting on a message board, you are not saving the world from bad coaching practices. Like the poster before you said stop obsessing over your ex

Why is it so hard for you to accept that sometimes kids leave teams even if they were liked by a coach because they and the parents don’t like the overall environment and team dynamic? I tend to think kids who are good enough to have options are the ones who leave, while maybe the ones who stay are afraid they can’t make the same level team elsewhere.

I don't know what this has to do with the post. Sure, let's pretend this is true it still looks like you are a crazy ex obsessing over a team that you left what 8 months ago. Let it go dude. It's the weird obsession that makes it hard to believe you were "wanted"

The relevance is that 60% of your players staying 40% leaving isn't actually a good percentage. The club overall going from 3 teams to 2 teams for 9v9 isn't a great metric. Especially when they have to go to 11v11 next year. But if you like your coach to belittle and provide false promises for a middling level club then you do you.

If you go back and read the past couple of pages here is how it reads. New coach comes in, some players leave team, team still successful without them, butthurt parents of kids who left can't handle and still shitpost on valor thread.

At the end of the season the top team most likely losses multiple players to fvu because they (valor) are the best team in the area, at least based on team record from the fall. Sounds like the coach is doing the things he is paid to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a one hell of a pivot. To go from "never trust a man who changs his name" to I just am "protecting my kid from meanies" seems disingenuous.

We are on the Valor thread, no one at valor should have expectations of college scholarships. Parents may have their kids there to prep them for a vda or fvu but to suggest that a poster on a valor thread is worried about college shows how stuck in your own world you are.

The reality is that a coach didn't believe in your kid, didn't want them and you are now butthurt posting on a message board, you are not saving the world from bad coaching practices. Like the poster before you said stop obsessing over your ex

Why is it so hard for you to accept that sometimes kids leave teams even if they were liked by a coach because they and the parents don’t like the overall environment and team dynamic? I tend to think kids who are good enough to have options are the ones who leave, while maybe the ones who stay are afraid they can’t make the same level team elsewhere.

I don't know what this has to do with the post. Sure, let's pretend this is true it still looks like you are a crazy ex obsessing over a team that you left what 8 months ago. Let it go dude. It's the weird obsession that makes it hard to believe you were "wanted"

The relevance is that 60% of your players staying 40% leaving isn't actually a good percentage. The club overall going from 3 teams to 2 teams for 9v9 isn't a great metric. Especially when they have to go to 11v11 next year. But if you like your coach to belittle and provide false promises for a middling level club then you do you.

Obsessing over stats and records over a team you left is crazy work. Why are you so worried about them having enough players for next year? Get off this thread and go touch some grass.

[Anonymous]

You’re arguing with a known sock puppeteer who’s already been called out by admins.

[Anonymous]

I don't know this coach (although usually jumping from club to club is a warning flag) but there is absolutely no correlation between a winning or losing record and a good coach who develops players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know this coach (although usually jumping from club to club is a warning flag) but there is absolutely no correlation between a winning or losing record and a good coach who develops players.

this is especially true at a soccer factory like valor, where no one is cut and coaches don't usually stay with the same group of kids year after year. there is no incentive to develop kids you aren't going to coach next year anyway. they are all just paying widgets being moved along.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a one hell of a pivot. To go from "never trust a man who changs his name" to I just am "protecting my kid from meanies" seems disingenuous.

We are on the Valor thread, no one at valor should have expectations of college scholarships. Parents may have their kids there to prep them for a vda or fvu but to suggest that a poster on a valor thread is worried about college shows how stuck in your own world you are.

The reality is that a coach didn't believe in your kid, didn't want them and you are now butthurt posting on a message board, you are not saving the world from bad coaching practices. Like the poster before you said stop obsessing over your ex

Why is it so hard for you to accept that sometimes kids leave teams even if they were liked by a coach because they and the parents don’t like the overall environment and team dynamic? I tend to think kids who are good enough to have options are the ones who leave, while maybe the ones who stay are afraid they can’t make the same level team elsewhere.

I don't know what this has to do with the post. Sure, let's pretend this is true it still looks like you are a crazy ex obsessing over a team that you left what 8 months ago. Let it go dude. It's the weird obsession that makes it hard to believe you were "wanted"

The relevance is that 60% of your players staying 40% leaving isn't actually a good percentage. The club overall going from 3 teams to 2 teams for 9v9 isn't a great metric. Especially when they have to go to 11v11 next year. But if you like your coach to belittle and provide false promises for a middling level club then you do you.

If you go back and read the past couple of pages here is how it reads. New coach comes in, some players leave team, team still successful without them, butthurt parents of kids who left can't handle and still shitpost on valor thread.

At the end of the season [b]the top team most likely losses multiple players to fvu because they (valor) are the best team in the area at least based on team record from the fall.[b] Sounds like the coach is doing the things he is paid to do.

Very very few boys move up to ECNL from Valor teams. No clue on the girls side. But for boys, its highly unlikely because they don't get technical training at Valor. The best players leave Valor at younger ages once their parents realize how bad the training there is.

And you are talking about u11---> U12 teams, so they for sure didn't move up to FVU as FVU doesn't have teams until U13. So basically, your whole post is nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Hoping in without reading the past couple post the op was talking about huh. Great work, clearly talking about the girls side. Please stay in your lane

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hoping in without reading the past couple post the op was talking about huh. Great work, clearly talking about the girls side. Please stay in your lane

Are you suggesting that Valor girls frequently move up to ECNL teams? LOL! Valor coaching sucks on both sides.

[Anonymous]

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The relevance is that 60% of your players staying 40% leaving isn't actually a good percentage. The club overall going from 3 teams to 2 teams for 9v9 isn't a great metric. Especially when they have to go to 11v11 next year. But if you like your coach to belittle and provide false promises for a middling level club then you do you.

If you go back and read the past couple of pages here is how it reads. New coach comes in, some players leave team, team still successful without them, butthurt parents of kids who left can't handle and still shitpost on valor thread.

At the end of the season the top team most likely losses multiple players to fvu because they (valor) are the best team in the area, at least based on team record from the fall. Sounds like the coach is doing the things he is paid to do.

I mean the dozens of posts telling you that Valor cheats to get people like you saying exactly this weren't enough? Valor's coaches send RL and D1 players to their lower divisions and tournaments against NCSL rules, you can't guest play down, you can only guest play up. Then magically their worse teams win games 8 or 9-0 .