FCPS comprehensive boundary review

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

Isn't that the system everywhere? FCPS cannot fix kids' home life or socioeconomic status.

Sure, but doesn’t this system just perpetuate and reinforce the socioeconomic divide?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

That's a weird bottom line insofar as FCPS is concerned.

FCPS is a single district, which means the wealthiest residents subsidize the schools that serve more low-income students on an ongoing basis. Furthermore, many operating and capital decisions made in FCPS benefit lower-rated schools if they are attracting or starting to have more students (the expansions of West Potomac and Justice, and the current renovation/expansion of Falls Church, are but three examples).

What you are positing might more accurately describe the situation in a state like New Jersey or New York, where there are far more town or borough-based school systems rather than county-wide systems. There, you might make a point to make sure to live in a particular town so you're only paying for schools that serve wealthy kids, and the poorer communities have fewer resources to fund their own, less attractive schools.

In general, wealthier residents in FCPS have long accepted that they are subsidizing the less fortunate in the county, and that their schools may end up unrenovated for years or with larger classroom sizes because resources are pooled and often flow to poorer schools. All they've asked for in return is that they not be overtly discriminated against or attacked, and that school boundaries only be adjusted when there are truly compelling reasons. It's unclear any such compelling reasons exist when FCPS is now projecting enrollment declines generally over the next five years and has only a few situations (in particular Coates and Parklawn ES) where there is or expected to be acute overcrowding.

The bolded is untrue. Poor schools are not moved up in the renovation queue ahead of wealthier schools. And the only extra funds that flow to poorer schools is for title l which is only through 3rd grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

That's a weird bottom line insofar as FCPS is concerned.

FCPS is a single district, which means the wealthiest residents subsidize the schools that serve more low-income students on an ongoing basis. Furthermore, many operating and capital decisions made in FCPS benefit lower-rated schools if they are attracting or starting to have more students (the expansions of West Potomac and Justice, and the current renovation/expansion of Falls Church, are but three examples).

What you are positing might more accurately describe the situation in a state like New Jersey or New York, where there are far more town or borough-based school systems rather than county-wide systems. There, you might make a point to make sure to live in a particular town so you're only paying for schools that serve wealthy kids, and the poorer communities have fewer resources to fund their own, less attractive schools.

In general, wealthier residents in FCPS have long accepted that they are subsidizing the less fortunate in the county, and that their schools may end up unrenovated for years or with larger classroom sizes because resources are pooled and often flow to poorer schools. All they've asked for in return is that they not be overtly discriminated against or attacked, and that school boundaries only be adjusted when there are truly compelling reasons. It's unclear any such compelling reasons exist when FCPS is now projecting enrollment declines generally over the next five years and has only a few situations (in particular Coates and Parklawn ES) where there is or expected to be acute overcrowding.

Absolutely this. And when people push for more and more and more for these kids and then push for other people’s kids to be the country’s resource to move them to underperforming schools, all they’re going to do is drive professionals away from the democrats. This year, I voted red for the first time because of the boundary review (I know, National elections, but the Democratic Party sits idly by as the school board ruins the county). If they didn’t threaten my kids’ school situation, I likely wouldn’t have voted republican, but now I’m all in. Such is life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

That's a weird bottom line insofar as FCPS is concerned.

FCPS is a single district, which means the wealthiest residents subsidize the schools that serve more low-income students on an ongoing basis. Furthermore, many operating and capital decisions made in FCPS benefit lower-rated schools if they are attracting or starting to have more students (the expansions of West Potomac and Justice, and the current renovation/expansion of Falls Church, are but three examples).

What you are positing might more accurately describe the situation in a state like New Jersey or New York, where there are far more town or borough-based school systems rather than county-wide systems. There, you might make a point to make sure to live in a particular town so you're only paying for schools that serve wealthy kids, and the poorer communities have fewer resources to fund their own, less attractive schools.

In general, wealthier residents in FCPS have long accepted that they are subsidizing the less fortunate in the county, and that their schools may end up unrenovated for years or with larger classroom sizes because resources are pooled and often flow to poorer schools. All they've asked for in return is that they not be overtly discriminated against or attacked, and that school boundaries only be adjusted when there are truly compelling reasons. It's unclear any such compelling reasons exist when FCPS is now projecting enrollment declines generally over the next five years and has only a few situations (in particular Coates and Parklawn ES) where there is or expected to be acute overcrowding.

The bolded is untrue. Poor schools are not moved up in the renovation queue ahead of wealthier schools. And the only extra funds that flow to poorer schools is for title l which is only through 3rd grade.

Wink, wink. Sure, we believe you, Sandy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

That's a weird bottom line insofar as FCPS is concerned.

FCPS is a single district, which means the wealthiest residents subsidize the schools that serve more low-income students on an ongoing basis. Furthermore, many operating and capital decisions made in FCPS benefit lower-rated schools if they are attracting or starting to have more students (the expansions of West Potomac and Justice, and the current renovation/expansion of Falls Church, are but three examples).

What you are positing might more accurately describe the situation in a state like New Jersey or New York, where there are far more town or borough-based school systems rather than county-wide systems. There, you might make a point to make sure to live in a particular town so you're only paying for schools that serve wealthy kids, and the poorer communities have fewer resources to fund their own, less attractive schools.

In general, wealthier residents in FCPS have long accepted that they are subsidizing the less fortunate in the county, and that their schools may end up unrenovated for years or with larger classroom sizes because resources are pooled and often flow to poorer schools. All they've asked for in return is that they not be overtly discriminated against or attacked, and that school boundaries only be adjusted when there are truly compelling reasons. It's unclear any such compelling reasons exist when FCPS is now projecting enrollment declines generally over the next five years and has only a few situations (in particular Coates and Parklawn ES) where there is or expected to be acute overcrowding.

The bolded is untrue. Poor schools are not moved up in the renovation queue ahead of wealthier schools. And the only extra funds that flow to poorer schools is for title l which is only through 3rd grade.

The first statement did not say that poor schools are moved up in the queue ahead of wealthier schools. The point was that many poorer schools have been the beneficiary of being in a county-wide system where wealthier taxpayers help renovate both higher and lower-rated schools.

The second statement underscored that, if the wealthier schools in FCPS were in their own district, they would be renovated sooner and would have smaller class sizes. That is clearly the case. Instead, wealthier schools have larger class sizes and poorer schools - even when they are not Title I - generally have smaller class sizes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

Isn't that the system everywhere? FCPS cannot fix kids' home life or socioeconomic status.

Sure, but doesn’t this system just perpetuate and reinforce the socioeconomic divide?

It's not the school system's role to fix this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

Isn't that the system everywhere? FCPS cannot fix kids' home life or socioeconomic status.

Sure, but doesn’t this system just perpetuate and reinforce the socioeconomic divide?

It's not the school system's role to fix this.

+1. At some point these SJWs need to realize that their advocacy to upset the apple cart is going to diminish the entire system and leave everyone, especially the kids they believe they are trying to help, worse off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

Isn't that the system everywhere? FCPS cannot fix kids' home life or socioeconomic status.

Sure, but doesn’t this system just perpetuate and reinforce the socioeconomic divide?

It's not the school system's role to fix this.

m

Sure, public schools alone cannot fix these disparities, but they shouldn’t make them worse either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

Isn't that the system everywhere? FCPS cannot fix kids' home life or socioeconomic status.

Sure, but doesn’t this system just perpetuate and reinforce the socioeconomic divide?

It's not the school system's role to fix this.

m

Sure, public schools alone cannot fix these disparities, but they shouldn’t make them worse either.

Ok, so we all agree they shouldn’t make boundary changes. Good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

That's a weird bottom line insofar as FCPS is concerned.

FCPS is a single district, which means the wealthiest residents subsidize the schools that serve more low-income students on an ongoing basis. Furthermore, many operating and capital decisions made in FCPS benefit lower-rated schools if they are attracting or starting to have more students (the expansions of West Potomac and Justice, and the current renovation/expansion of Falls Church, are but three examples).

What you are positing might more accurately describe the situation in a state like New Jersey or New York, where there are far more town or borough-based school systems rather than county-wide systems. There, you might make a point to make sure to live in a particular town so you're only paying for schools that serve wealthy kids, and the poorer communities have fewer resources to fund their own, less attractive schools.

In general, wealthier residents in FCPS have long accepted that they are subsidizing the less fortunate in the county, and that their schools may end up unrenovated for years or with larger classroom sizes because resources are pooled and often flow to poorer schools. All they've asked for in return is that they not be overtly discriminated against or attacked, and that school boundaries only be adjusted when there are truly compelling reasons. It's unclear any such compelling reasons exist when FCPS is now projecting enrollment declines generally over the next five years and has only a few situations (in particular Coates and Parklawn ES) where there is or expected to be acute overcrowding.

Absolutely this. And when people push for more and more and more for these kids and then push for other people’s kids to be the country’s resource to move them to underperforming schools, all they’re going to do is drive professionals away from the democrats. This year, I voted red for the first time because of the boundary review (I know, National elections, but the Democratic Party sits idly by as the school board ruins the county). If they didn’t threaten my kids’ school situation, I likely wouldn’t have voted republican, but now I’m all in. Such is life.

You made this point a million times in this thread. Literally no one cares. At all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

That's a weird bottom line insofar as FCPS is concerned.

FCPS is a single district, which means the wealthiest residents subsidize the schools that serve more low-income students on an ongoing basis. Furthermore, many operating and capital decisions made in FCPS benefit lower-rated schools if they are attracting or starting to have more students (the expansions of West Potomac and Justice, and the current renovation/expansion of Falls Church, are but three examples).

What you are positing might more accurately describe the situation in a state like New Jersey or New York, where there are far more town or borough-based school systems rather than county-wide systems. There, you might make a point to make sure to live in a particular town so you're only paying for schools that serve wealthy kids, and the poorer communities have fewer resources to fund their own, less attractive schools.

In general, wealthier residents in FCPS have long accepted that they are subsidizing the less fortunate in the county, and that their schools may end up unrenovated for years or with larger classroom sizes because resources are pooled and often flow to poorer schools. All they've asked for in return is that they not be overtly discriminated against or attacked, and that school boundaries only be adjusted when there are truly compelling reasons. It's unclear any such compelling reasons exist when FCPS is now projecting enrollment declines generally over the next five years and has only a few situations (in particular Coates and Parklawn ES) where there is or expected to be acute overcrowding.

Absolutely this. And when people push for more and more and more for these kids and then push for other people’s kids to be the country’s resource to move them to underperforming schools, all they’re going to do is drive professionals away from the democrats. This year, I voted red for the first time because of the boundary review (I know, National elections, but the Democratic Party sits idly by as the school board ruins the county). If they didn’t threaten my kids’ school situation, I likely wouldn’t have voted republican, but now I’m all in. Such is life.

You made this point a million times in this thread. Literally no one cares. At all.

Says the lady whose party is in the wilderness and leaderless. Enjoy everything you got coming to you these next four years 😉

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

That's a weird bottom line insofar as FCPS is concerned.

FCPS is a single district, which means the wealthiest residents subsidize the schools that serve more low-income students on an ongoing basis. Furthermore, many operating and capital decisions made in FCPS benefit lower-rated schools if they are attracting or starting to have more students (the expansions of West Potomac and Justice, and the current renovation/expansion of Falls Church, are but three examples).

What you are positing might more accurately describe the situation in a state like New Jersey or New York, where there are far more town or borough-based school systems rather than county-wide systems. There, you might make a point to make sure to live in a particular town so you're only paying for schools that serve wealthy kids, and the poorer communities have fewer resources to fund their own, less attractive schools.

In general, wealthier residents in FCPS have long accepted that they are subsidizing the less fortunate in the county, and that their schools may end up unrenovated for years or with larger classroom sizes because resources are pooled and often flow to poorer schools. All they've asked for in return is that they not be overtly discriminated against or attacked, and that school boundaries only be adjusted when there are truly compelling reasons. It's unclear any such compelling reasons exist when FCPS is now projecting enrollment declines generally over the next five years and has only a few situations (in particular Coates and Parklawn ES) where there is or expected to be acute overcrowding.

Absolutely this. And when people push for more and more and more for these kids and then push for other people’s kids to be the country’s resource to move them to underperforming schools, all they’re going to do is drive professionals away from the democrats. This year, I voted red for the first time because of the boundary review (I know, National elections, but the Democratic Party sits idly by as the school board ruins the county). If they didn’t threaten my kids’ school situation, I likely wouldn’t have voted republican, but now I’m all in. Such is life.

You made this point a million times in this thread. Literally no one cares. At all.

Says the lady whose party is in the wilderness and leaderless. Enjoy everything you got coming to you these next four years 😉

Sure, the next four years will be interesting for sure.

But you know what else will happen during this time period - boundary adjustments! Hope your kid is moved first!

Enjoy! ☺️

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

That's a weird bottom line insofar as FCPS is concerned.

FCPS is a single district, which means the wealthiest residents subsidize the schools that serve more low-income students on an ongoing basis. Furthermore, many operating and capital decisions made in FCPS benefit lower-rated schools if they are attracting or starting to have more students (the expansions of West Potomac and Justice, and the current renovation/expansion of Falls Church, are but three examples).

What you are positing might more accurately describe the situation in a state like New Jersey or New York, where there are far more town or borough-based school systems rather than county-wide systems. There, you might make a point to make sure to live in a particular town so you're only paying for schools that serve wealthy kids, and the poorer communities have fewer resources to fund their own, less attractive schools.

In general, wealthier residents in FCPS have long accepted that they are subsidizing the less fortunate in the county, and that their schools may end up unrenovated for years or with larger classroom sizes because resources are pooled and often flow to poorer schools. All they've asked for in return is that they not be overtly discriminated against or attacked, and that school boundaries only be adjusted when there are truly compelling reasons. It's unclear any such compelling reasons exist when FCPS is now projecting enrollment declines generally over the next five years and has only a few situations (in particular Coates and Parklawn ES) where there is or expected to be acute overcrowding.

Absolutely this. And when people push for more and more and more for these kids and then push for other people’s kids to be the country’s resource to move them to underperforming schools, all they’re going to do is drive professionals away from the democrats. This year, I voted red for the first time because of the boundary review (I know, National elections, but the Democratic Party sits idly by as the school board ruins the county). If they didn’t threaten my kids’ school situation, I likely wouldn’t have voted republican, but now I’m all in. Such is life.

You made this point a million times in this thread. Literally no one cares. At all.

Says the lady whose party is in the wilderness and leaderless. Enjoy everything you got coming to you these next four years 😉

Sure, the next four years will be interesting for sure.

But you know what else will happen during this time period - boundary adjustments! Hope your kid is moved first!

Enjoy! ☺️

As I’ve also said before, we’ve got a good alternative in place. Sorry that you won’t be able to reach my kids. I know that eats at you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

That's a weird bottom line insofar as FCPS is concerned.

FCPS is a single district, which means the wealthiest residents subsidize the schools that serve more low-income students on an ongoing basis. Furthermore, many operating and capital decisions made in FCPS benefit lower-rated schools if they are attracting or starting to have more students (the expansions of West Potomac and Justice, and the current renovation/expansion of Falls Church, are but three examples).

What you are positing might more accurately describe the situation in a state like New Jersey or New York, where there are far more town or borough-based school systems rather than county-wide systems. There, you might make a point to make sure to live in a particular town so you're only paying for schools that serve wealthy kids, and the poorer communities have fewer resources to fund their own, less attractive schools.

In general, wealthier residents in FCPS have long accepted that they are subsidizing the less fortunate in the county, and that their schools may end up unrenovated for years or with larger classroom sizes because resources are pooled and often flow to poorer schools. All they've asked for in return is that they not be overtly discriminated against or attacked, and that school boundaries only be adjusted when there are truly compelling reasons. It's unclear any such compelling reasons exist when FCPS is now projecting enrollment declines generally over the next five years and has only a few situations (in particular Coates and Parklawn ES) where there is or expected to be acute overcrowding.

Absolutely this. And when people push for more and more and more for these kids and then push for other people’s kids to be the country’s resource to move them to underperforming schools, all they’re going to do is drive professionals away from the democrats. This year, I voted red for the first time because of the boundary review (I know, National elections, but the Democratic Party sits idly by as the school board ruins the county). If they didn’t threaten my kids’ school situation, I likely wouldn’t have voted republican, but now I’m all in. Such is life.

You made this point a million times in this thread. Literally no one cares. At all.

DP. There are plenty of politicians who care a lot about the possibility that actions of local School Boards might lead voters to switch political affiliations.

For the most part, in Fairfax, politicians have assumed that the county is so heavily Democratic that the School Board can do anything it wants with no ramifications. It's the local equivalent of Trump saying he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue without losing any voters.

When PP talks about voting the Republican for the first time, you want to shut him down, because you think the School Board can continue to do whatever it wants. But it's the flip side of their claiming there hasn't been a county-wide boundary review for 40 years, since they have no recent experience to draw upon in assessing how major boundary changes might affect future elections, whether it's for School Board, Board of Supervisors, or other offices. A lot of politicians will be watching this closely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

That's a weird bottom line insofar as FCPS is concerned.

FCPS is a single district, which means the wealthiest residents subsidize the schools that serve more low-income students on an ongoing basis. Furthermore, many operating and capital decisions made in FCPS benefit lower-rated schools if they are attracting or starting to have more students (the expansions of West Potomac and Justice, and the current renovation/expansion of Falls Church, are but three examples).

What you are positing might more accurately describe the situation in a state like New Jersey or New York, where there are far more town or borough-based school systems rather than county-wide systems. There, you might make a point to make sure to live in a particular town so you're only paying for schools that serve wealthy kids, and the poorer communities have fewer resources to fund their own, less attractive schools.

In general, wealthier residents in FCPS have long accepted that they are subsidizing the less fortunate in the county, and that their schools may end up unrenovated for years or with larger classroom sizes because resources are pooled and often flow to poorer schools. All they've asked for in return is that they not be overtly discriminated against or attacked, and that school boundaries only be adjusted when there are truly compelling reasons. It's unclear any such compelling reasons exist when FCPS is now projecting enrollment declines generally over the next five years and has only a few situations (in particular Coates and Parklawn ES) where there is or expected to be acute overcrowding.

Absolutely this. And when people push for more and more and more for these kids and then push for other people’s kids to be the country’s resource to move them to underperforming schools, all they’re going to do is drive professionals away from the democrats. This year, I voted red for the first time because of the boundary review (I know, National elections, but the Democratic Party sits idly by as the school board ruins the county). If they didn’t threaten my kids’ school situation, I likely wouldn’t have voted republican, but now I’m all in. Such is life.

You made this point a million times in this thread. Literally no one cares. At all.

Says the lady whose party is in the wilderness and leaderless. Enjoy everything you got coming to you these next four years 😉

Sure, the next four years will be interesting for sure.

But you know what else will happen during this time period - boundary adjustments! Hope your kid is moved first!

Enjoy! ☺️

As I’ve also said before, we’ve got a good alternative in place. Sorry that you won’t be able to reach my kids. I know that eats at you.

Sorry to disappoint but I literally could not care less.