Pay to play ... now we know why

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:so now your personal definition of wrong is what is the issue. You dont personally like that he is overpaid. These so called rules you speak of are not your issue its the simple fact you dont like how much he is paid. Just say it. Its OK you'll feel better getting it off your chest.

The rest of us dont care how much he is paid. Best part about it is my kid is at the club and I feel I get good value for my money in spite of him getting overpaid. How does that happen. Thats why I could care less how much he makes

I’m at the club and I care.

How are the rest of the staff and coaches paid? Is it far and away the highest in the DMV like the ED? In looking at their website they don't have any big name coaches there, and only a few with an A license, so I'm assuming not.

Alexandria parent here. From what I have heard it's below market and some coaches are not happy given the EDs comp. Take that with a grain of salt since I heard through the parent rumor mill.

Get a job at another club. Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so now your personal definition of wrong is what is the issue. You dont personally like that he is overpaid. These so called rules you speak of are not your issue its the simple fact you dont like how much he is paid. Just say it. Its OK you'll feel better getting it off your chest.

The rest of us dont care how much he is paid. Best part about it is my kid is at the club and I feel I get good value for my money in spite of him getting overpaid. How does that happen. Thats why I could care less how much he makes

I’m at the club and I care.

How are the rest of the staff and coaches paid? Is it far and away the highest in the DMV like the ED? In looking at their website they don't have any big name coaches there, and only a few with an A license, so I'm assuming not.

Alexandria parent here. From what I have heard it's below market and some coaches are not happy given the EDs comp. Take that with a grain of salt since I heard through the parent rumor mill.

Get a job at another club. Problem solved.

Ding ding ding!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so now your personal definition of wrong is what is the issue. You dont personally like that he is overpaid. These so called rules you speak of are not your issue its the simple fact you dont like how much he is paid. Just say it. Its OK you'll feel better getting it off your chest.

The rest of us dont care how much he is paid. Best part about it is my kid is at the club and I feel I get good value for my money in spite of him getting overpaid. How does that happen. Thats why I could care less how much he makes

I’m at the club and I care.

How are the rest of the staff and coaches paid? Is it far and away the highest in the DMV like the ED? In looking at their website they don't have any big name coaches there, and only a few with an A license, so I'm assuming not.

Alexandria parent here. From what I have heard it's below market and some coaches are not happy given the EDs comp. Take that with a grain of salt since I heard through the parent rumor mill.

Get a job at another club. Problem solved.

Ding ding ding!!

If you don’t like the conversation feel free to not read the thread. The constant “nothing to see here”, “none of your business”, “no one cares”, and “go away” type responses are pretty eye opening. It seems like someone really doesn’t want people having a discussion about this matter. Ironically, that makes me more curious. I’ll go back to my popcorn now...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so now your personal definition of wrong is what is the issue. You dont personally like that he is overpaid. These so called rules you speak of are not your issue its the simple fact you dont like how much he is paid. Just say it. Its OK you'll feel better getting it off your chest.

The rest of us dont care how much he is paid. Best part about it is my kid is at the club and I feel I get good value for my money in spite of him getting overpaid. How does that happen. Thats why I could care less how much he makes

I’m at the club and I care.

How are the rest of the staff and coaches paid? Is it far and away the highest in the DMV like the ED? In looking at their website they don't have any big name coaches there, and only a few with an A license, so I'm assuming not.

Alexandria parent here. From what I have heard it's below market and some coaches are not happy given the EDs comp. Take that with a grain of salt since I heard through the parent rumor mill.

Get a job at another club. Problem solved.

Ding ding ding!!

If you don’t like the conversation feel free to not read the thread. The constant “nothing to see here”, “none of your business”, “no one cares”, and “go away” type responses are pretty eye opening. It seems like someone really doesn’t want people having a discussion about this matter. Ironically, that makes me more curious. I’ll go back to my popcorn now...

This conversation finds its way into other threads not at all related. There isn’t anything to see. TD makes more money than others. So what! It isn’t illegal and it isn’t a scandal. And what makes matters worse, nobody cares and it happens at a club that nobody cares about.

[Anonymous]

Is it me or does the above prove the point? FWIW, I’m not sure all those assertions are correct. As a general rule, if someone is getting overpaid in a nonprofit organization, that is indeed a violation of IRS rules/laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it me or does the above prove the point? FWIW, I’m not sure all those assertions are correct. As a general rule, if someone is getting overpaid in a nonprofit organization, that is indeed a violation of IRS rules/laws.

How so?

You’re incredibly naive.

[Anonymous]

How do you look up their tax filings online

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do you look up their tax filings online[/quote

I have no idea or interest, but we are confident you wouldn’t be able to make heads or tails out of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do you look up their tax filings online

From an old thread
RantingSoccerDad wrote:
Alexandria ED does indeed make north of $300K.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organiz...2413/201811359349309756/IRS990

McLean ED (hyper-experienced) makes less than $100K, though TD Clyde Watson (also hyper-experienced) makes six figures:

http://www.mcleansoccer.org/doclib/2016%20MYS%20FO...20-%20PublicDisclosureCopy.PDF

Vienna has no one making more than $100K:

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organiz...4923/201833169349301693/IRS990

Loudoun has five people over $100K:

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organiz...6172/201813199349306641/IRS990

Interesting! Do you know about Bethesda?


ED makes $75K. DOC $130K.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organiz...3186/201801939349300245/IRS990

All you have to do to look these up is Google "(name of club) 990"

They're supposed to be posted on their sites, but they can be difficult to find, and they may not pop up in Google ahead ProPublica.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you look up their tax filings online

From an old thread
RantingSoccerDad wrote:
Alexandria ED does indeed make north of $300K.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organiz...2413/201811359349309756/IRS990

McLean ED (hyper-experienced) makes less than $100K, though TD Clyde Watson (also hyper-experienced) makes six figures:

http://www.mcleansoccer.org/doclib/2016%20MYS%20FO...20-%20PublicDisclosureCopy.PDF

Vienna has no one making more than $100K:

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organiz...4923/201833169349301693/IRS990

Loudoun has five people over $100K:

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organiz...6172/201813199349306641/IRS990

Interesting! Do you know about Bethesda?


ED makes $75K. DOC $130K.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organiz...3186/201801939349300245/IRS990

All you have to do to look these up is Google "(name of club) 990"

They're supposed to be posted on their sites, but they can be difficult to find, and they may not pop up in Google ahead ProPublica.

Sorry — links were broken — here’s the actual link from propublica. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/540902413

Googling “[name of club] 990” worked.

[Anonymous]

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Sorry — links were broken — here’s the actual link from propublica. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/540902413
Googling “[name of club] 990” worked.

He made 286K last year at 65 hours worked per week. The schedule J breaks it down further. What is the BFD?

You should go into business as an "online salary decider," I think you would really enjoy it.

Why don't you spend your time trolling Loudoun? Their director makes 190K at 40 hours worked per week, which is a higher compensation per hours worked than Alex. Plus, four other executives at Loudoun make over 100K.

Note to Loudoun parents: I have no idea how much value the director adds to your club or the club's overall financial picture. It could be worth it for all I know. Just pointing out that our own little Alex troll must have some other motivation for throwing around bug-eyed claims that the mafia is involved and the IRS is coming.

[Anonymous]

This is a very bizarre thread.

I agree with one of the PP that indicated if anyone anyone questions what a restaurant manager or chef gets paid when they order their food. All of us buy goods and services on a daily basis. I’m sure we question the value we get and determine if it’s worth the money we pay, but questioning how much the staff gets paid is ridiculous. Many people have Apple products and they are not cheap. But when was the last time anyone decided to upgrade their iPhone/iPad based upon how much Tim Cook gets paid?

Similarly, when we decide if join a travel team, we question how good a coach, the training quality, training facility and location, team environment, etc. We should not care how much the Technical Director, Staff and/or even the coach gets paid. I’m all honesty, I’ve only met and talked to the Technical Director once and it was a 30 second conversation. My DD loves her coach and team and that is all it matters. I feel that the amount of money I pay for the team is fair and worth the money.

[Anonymous]

We pay it, so they make it. They could take less salary and offer more aid to low income kid, but it is their choice and their business, just as it is ours to decide whether to pay or move on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Sorry — links were broken — here’s the actual link from propublica. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/540902413
Googling “[name of club] 990” worked.

He made 286K last year at 65 hours worked per week. The schedule J breaks it down further. What is the BFD?

You should go into business as an "online salary decider," I think you would really enjoy it.

Why don't you spend your time trolling Loudoun? Their director makes 190K at 40 hours worked per week, which is a higher compensation per hours worked than Alex. Plus, four other executives at Loudoun make over 100K.

Note to Loudoun parents: I have no idea how much value the director adds to your club or the club's overall financial picture. It could be worth it for all I know. Just pointing out that our own little Alex troll must have some other motivation for throwing around bug-eyed claims that the mafia is involved and the IRS is coming.

It’s interesting how those hours jumped from 40 in 2015 to 65 in 2016. Almost like an attempt to make the numbers less offensive. I’m sure the guy filling out and signing the form has great records on these hours worked. FWIW, no professional, salaried worker would care about those numbers. Incidentally, why is only this guy reporting so many hours? No other club does that... When something is so far out of the norm that usually means something is not right.

[Anonymous]

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It’s interesting how those hours jumped from 40 in 2015 to 65 in 2016. Almost like an attempt to make the numbers less offensive.

So now you're the "online hours worked decider" in addition to the the "online salary decider"?

You're a human truth detector!

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I’m sure the guy filling out and signing the form has great records on these hours worked.

This is why your threads get taken down troll, you just casually alleged with zero evidence that whoever filled out the form (likely a firm btw) committed a fraud.

Anonymous wrote:
FWIW, no professional, salaried worker would care about those numbers.

Wrong, but also irrelevant. The hours worked are requested on the Form 990.

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Incidentally, why is only this guy reporting so many hours? No other club does that... When something is so far out of the norm that usually means something is not right.

Maybe there's simpler explanation, like a full time job with extra hours including weekends? Real work takes time, unlike trolling on a computer.