CSrankings how accurate for UMD?

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Anonymous wrote:This is the rankings from CSrankings. How accurate are they for UMD? According to this, UMD has a top 10 department. I know it is hard to get into and just looking for real world people. Nothing against US News, Forbes etc. Something like Computer Science is so different than sociology.

1.Carnegie Mellon University
2.University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
3.University of California, San Diego
4.Georgia Institute of Technology
5.Massachusetts Institute of Technology
6.University of Michigan
7.University of Washington
8.University of California, Berkeley
9.Cornell University
9.University of Maryland, College Park
11.Northeastern University
11.Stanford University
13.Purdue University
14.New York University
14.University of Texas at Austin
16.University of Wisconsin–Madison
17.Princeton University
18.University of Pennsylvania
19.Columbia University
20.University of California, Los Angeles

CS prof here. CSranking is strictly about faculty' s research output in particular conferences/journals, not at all related to education quality. In this metric, this ranking is very accurate for UMD. UMD has been a top-10 CS research department and graduate program. All the CS faculty is internationally well known.

Code Signal is a company that provides interview services (coding tests) to other companies hiring employees. I’m sure a new ranking list is a great marketing tool - but this list seems based solely on coding skills and CS study is more than that.

Here we have an actual CS prof - I’m wondering what list you (prof) might think is most accurate? Or, if none, what is the best way to evaluate a CS undergrad program?

The ranking can also be skewed based on the number of participants.

UMD is a large state school. It takes in way more students with various backgrounds than these small private schools.

If you take the top 50 UMD CS students who took the tests and compared it to the 50 students Brown, for example, what would be the outcome?

SJSU is #2. Are people really going to say that SJSU is a #2 school for CS? Do most people on this forum even know what SJSU is? I do, because I went there, and I would never say SJSU is a #2 CS school.

UMD has a great reputation for CS for a reason.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the rankings from CSrankings. How accurate are they for UMD? According to this, UMD has a top 10 department. I know it is hard to get into and just looking for real world people. Nothing against US News, Forbes etc. Something like Computer Science is so different than sociology.

1.Carnegie Mellon University
2.University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
3.University of California, San Diego
4.Georgia Institute of Technology
5.Massachusetts Institute of Technology
6.University of Michigan
7.University of Washington
8.University of California, Berkeley
9.Cornell University
9.University of Maryland, College Park
11.Northeastern University
11.Stanford University
13.Purdue University
14.New York University
14.University of Texas at Austin
16.University of Wisconsin–Madison
17.Princeton University
18.University of Pennsylvania
19.Columbia University
20.University of California, Los Angeles

CS prof here. CSranking is strictly about faculty' s research output in particular conferences/journals, not at all related to education quality. In this metric, this ranking is very accurate for UMD. UMD has been a top-10 CS research department and graduate program. All the CS faculty is internationally well known.

Code Signal is a company that provides interview services (coding tests) to other companies hiring employees. I’m sure a new ranking list is a great marketing tool - but this list seems based solely on coding skills and CS study is more than that.

Here we have an actual CS prof - I’m wondering what list you (prof) might think is most accurate? Or, if none, what is the best way to evaluate a CS undergrad program?

Not Prof. I've been coding as a kid since the 1980s, have a BS/MS in CS. I've interviewed kids from CMU, UMD, and UVA. I think it's up to how much effort the kid puts into the craft. I interviewed a gal from CMU, she spent 4 years as a CS major but never took advantage of anything that went on. Same with the USC major. UMD and UVA majors wrote code that looked like a Sophomore in CS would write - it looked clumsy - naming conventions, the nested ifs, etc. They did get hired and improved a lot. The kids that coded for fun, read coding books for fun will do a lot better with CodeSignal than the ones that studied hard to pass a rigorous curriculum. There is no machine that churns your kid into a super-star.

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UMD is the best school in the DC area. PERIOD. DONE!

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Anonymous wrote:This is the rankings from CSrankings. How accurate are they for UMD? According to this, UMD has a top 10 department. I know it is hard to get into and just looking for real world people. Nothing against US News, Forbes etc. Something like Computer Science is so different than sociology.

1.Carnegie Mellon University
2.University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
3.University of California, San Diego
4.Georgia Institute of Technology
5.Massachusetts Institute of Technology
6.University of Michigan
7.University of Washington
8.University of California, Berkeley
9.Cornell University
9.University of Maryland, College Park
11.Northeastern University
11.Stanford University
13.Purdue University
14.New York University
14.University of Texas at Austin
16.University of Wisconsin–Madison
17.Princeton University
18.University of Pennsylvania
19.Columbia University
20.University of California, Los Angeles

CS prof here. CSranking is strictly about faculty' s research output in particular conferences/journals, not at all related to education quality. In this metric, this ranking is very accurate for UMD. UMD has been a top-10 CS research department and graduate program. All the CS faculty is internationally well known.

Code Signal is a company that provides interview services (coding tests) to other companies hiring employees. I’m sure a new ranking list is a great marketing tool - but this list seems based solely on coding skills and CS study is more than that.

Here we have an actual CS prof - I’m wondering what list you (prof) might think is most accurate? Or, if none, what is the best way to evaluate a CS undergrad program?

The ranking can also be skewed based on the number of participants.

UMD is a large state school. It takes in way more students with various backgrounds than these small private schools.

If you take the top 50 UMD CS students who took the tests and compared it to the 50 students Brown, for example, what would be the outcome?

SJSU is #2. Are people really going to say that SJSU is a #2 school for CS? Do most people on this forum even know what SJSU is? I do, because I went there, and I would never say SJSU is a #2 CS school.

UMD has a great reputation for CS for a reason.

You are arguing out of both sides.

On the one hand you say UMD takes in kids from various backgrounds and that’s why they don’t perform well with Code Signal.

Then you claim SJSU…which takes in more challenged students by far compared to even UMD…is not #2, when they clearly performed far better than all small privates except MIT.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the rankings from CSrankings. How accurate are they for UMD? According to this, UMD has a top 10 department. I know it is hard to get into and just looking for real world people. Nothing against US News, Forbes etc. Something like Computer Science is so different than sociology.

1.Carnegie Mellon University
2.University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
3.University of California, San Diego
4.Georgia Institute of Technology
5.Massachusetts Institute of Technology
6.University of Michigan
7.University of Washington
8.University of California, Berkeley
9.Cornell University
9.University of Maryland, College Park
11.Northeastern University
11.Stanford University
13.Purdue University
14.New York University
14.University of Texas at Austin
16.University of Wisconsin–Madison
17.Princeton University
18.University of Pennsylvania
19.Columbia University
20.University of California, Los Angeles

CS prof here. CSranking is strictly about faculty' s research output in particular conferences/journals, not at all related to education quality. In this metric, this ranking is very accurate for UMD. UMD has been a top-10 CS research department and graduate program. All the CS faculty is internationally well known.

Code Signal is a company that provides interview services (coding tests) to other companies hiring employees. I’m sure a new ranking list is a great marketing tool - but this list seems based solely on coding skills and CS study is more than that.

Here we have an actual CS prof - I’m wondering what list you (prof) might think is most accurate? Or, if none, what is the best way to evaluate a CS undergrad program?

The ranking can also be skewed based on the number of participants.

UMD is a large state school. It takes in way more students with various backgrounds than these small private schools.

If you take the top 50 UMD CS students who took the tests and compared it to the 50 students Brown, for example, what would be the outcome?

SJSU is #2. Are people really going to say that SJSU is a #2 school for CS? Do most people on this forum even know what SJSU is? I do, because I went there, and I would never say SJSU is a #2 CS school.

UMD has a great reputation for CS for a reason.

You are arguing out of both sides.

On the one hand you say UMD takes in kids from various backgrounds and that’s why they don’t perform well with Code Signal.

Then you claim SJSU…which takes in more challenged students by far compared to even UMD…is not #2, when they clearly performed far better than all small privates except MIT.

both can be true.

SJSU has a lot of smart kids who probably can't even afford UC schools. They tend to be kids who live in the SJ area and are 1st gen college students. The school is 36% Asian, and it is not a flagship. No one would say SJSU is #2 for CS?

Contrast UMD which is a flagship that takes in a lot of kids from various backgrounds all over the state because they don't want just the highest performing Asian kids from MoCo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UMD is the best school in the DC area. PERIOD. DONE!

+1..

This forum is filled with status seekers. Only higher ranked colleges are deemed worthy. I bet if UMD went up a bit in ranking parents and students will stop saying ‘UMD is high school 2.0’ , ‘college park is a dump’, ‘ its too close to home’, etc etc..

What you do in college matters more than where you go.. smart, hardworking kids will be successful wherever they go.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the rankings from CSrankings. How accurate are they for UMD? According to this, UMD has a top 10 department. I know it is hard to get into and just looking for real world people. Nothing against US News, Forbes etc. Something like Computer Science is so different than sociology.

1.Carnegie Mellon University
2.University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
3.University of California, San Diego
4.Georgia Institute of Technology
5.Massachusetts Institute of Technology
6.University of Michigan
7.University of Washington
8.University of California, Berkeley
9.Cornell University
9.University of Maryland, College Park
11.Northeastern University
11.Stanford University
13.Purdue University
14.New York University
14.University of Texas at Austin
16.University of Wisconsin–Madison
17.Princeton University
18.University of Pennsylvania
19.Columbia University
20.University of California, Los Angeles

CS prof here. CSranking is strictly about faculty' s research output in particular conferences/journals, not at all related to education quality. In this metric, this ranking is very accurate for UMD. UMD has been a top-10 CS research department and graduate program. All the CS faculty is internationally well known.

Code Signal is a company that provides interview services (coding tests) to other companies hiring employees. I’m sure a new ranking list is a great marketing tool - but this list seems based solely on coding skills and CS study is more than that.

Here we have an actual CS prof - I’m wondering what list you (prof) might think is most accurate? Or, if none, what is the best way to evaluate a CS undergrad program?

The ranking can also be skewed based on the number of participants.

UMD is a large state school. It takes in way more students with various backgrounds than these small private schools.

If you take the top 50 UMD CS students who took the tests and compared it to the 50 students Brown, for example, what would be the outcome?

SJSU is #2. Are people really going to say that SJSU is a #2 school for CS? Do most people on this forum even know what SJSU is? I do, because I went there, and I would never say SJSU is a #2 CS school.

UMD has a great reputation for CS for a reason.

You are arguing out of both sides.

On the one hand you say UMD takes in kids from various backgrounds and that’s why they don’t perform well with Code Signal.

Then you claim SJSU…which takes in more challenged students by far compared to even UMD…is not #2, when they clearly performed far better than all small privates except MIT.

both can be true.

SJSU has a lot of smart kids who probably can't even afford UC schools. They tend to be kids who live in the SJ area and are 1st gen college students. The school is 36% Asian, and it is not a flagship. No one would say SJSU is #2 for CS?

Contrast UMD which is a flagship that takes in a lot of kids from various backgrounds all over the state because they don't want just the highest performing Asian kids from MoCo.

DP. There is a confusion in outcomes:

1. Going for your PHD? then CSRankings
2. BS with job outcomes? then CodeSignal;

What makes a #2 CS school? the job outcome? the Profs at the top are world famous? the curriculum is internship based? the initial salary? the ROI?

For SJSU - the job outcome, internships, initial salary, ROI all of these score well. It just lacks the CS research which matters more in Grad School.

So could you rank SJSU as #2 for CS if Bachelors is all you want? sure why not? the numbers that matter would agree. Would it stop you from going to a Great Grad School? Nope.

Does SJSU have the prestige as the IVY+? definitely not. Would it impress someone at a party? nope. If this matters to you then SJSU would not rank high on your list.

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Anonymous wrote:Purely looking at No11,

11.Northeastern University
11.Stanford University

it's hard to believe this ranking.

+1.

NE is probably the most skilled university at gaming college rankings among all universities located outside China

Sorry, boomer. CSrankings measures faculty research prowess. Times have changed from the 1970's. Now go outside and yell at the clouds.

I do research in CS. I know the research literature. NE dies not actually publish very much highly cited (== relevant, important) CS research, unlike MIT or CMU or Stanford. NE publish mostly in low-tier workshops and open access (anyone can publish anything) places.

You do realize that CSrankings only includes the most prestigious publication outlets? That's the whole purpose of CSrankings. The ignorance here is astounding.

[Anonymous]

Fyi— CS graduates we know of are working at
Microsoft
Google
Meta
Uber
Airbnb
Draft kings
Epic games
NASA
JPL
Etc.. all doing great.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the rankings from CSrankings. How accurate are they for UMD? According to this, UMD has a top 10 department. I know it is hard to get into and just looking for real world people. Nothing against US News, Forbes etc. Something like Computer Science is so different than sociology.

1.Carnegie Mellon University
2.University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
3.University of California, San Diego
4.Georgia Institute of Technology
5.Massachusetts Institute of Technology
6.University of Michigan
7.University of Washington
8.University of California, Berkeley
9.Cornell University
9.University of Maryland, College Park
11.Northeastern University
11.Stanford University
13.Purdue University
14.New York University
14.University of Texas at Austin
16.University of Wisconsin–Madison
17.Princeton University
18.University of Pennsylvania
19.Columbia University
20.University of California, Los Angeles

CS prof here. CSranking is strictly about faculty' s research output in particular conferences/journals, not at all related to education quality. In this metric, this ranking is very accurate for UMD. UMD has been a top-10 CS research department and graduate program. All the CS faculty is internationally well known.

Code Signal is a company that provides interview services (coding tests) to other companies hiring employees. I’m sure a new ranking list is a great marketing tool - but this list seems based solely on coding skills and CS study is more than that.

Here we have an actual CS prof - I’m wondering what list you (prof) might think is most accurate? Or, if none, what is the best way to evaluate a CS undergrad program?

The ranking can also be skewed based on the number of participants.

UMD is a large state school. It takes in way more students with various backgrounds than these small private schools.

If you take the top 50 UMD CS students who took the tests and compared it to the 50 students Brown, for example, what would be the outcome?

SJSU is #2. Are people really going to say that SJSU is a #2 school for CS? Do most people on this forum even know what SJSU is? I do, because I went there, and I would never say SJSU is a #2 CS school.

UMD has a great reputation for CS for a reason.

You are arguing out of both sides.

On the one hand you say UMD takes in kids from various backgrounds and that’s why they don’t perform well with Code Signal.

Then you claim SJSU…which takes in more challenged students by far compared to even UMD…is not #2, when they clearly performed far better than all small privates except MIT.

both can be true.

SJSU has a lot of smart kids who probably can't even afford UC schools. They tend to be kids who live in the SJ area and are 1st gen college students. The school is 36% Asian, and it is not a flagship. No one would say SJSU is #2 for CS?

Contrast UMD which is a flagship that takes in a lot of kids from various backgrounds all over the state because they don't want just the highest performing Asian kids from MoCo.

Sorry, your explanation for why UMD performs poorly on Code Signal just doesn’t hold up at all.

What’s your next excuse? I mean it ranks 46…so worse than a dozen other flagships, tons of private schools including schools that almost nobody thinks of for CS like WashU or Vanderbilt…it ranks significantly worse than Stoneybrook.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the rankings from CSrankings. How accurate are they for UMD? According to this, UMD has a top 10 department. I know it is hard to get into and just looking for real world people. Nothing against US News, Forbes etc. Something like Computer Science is so different than sociology.

1.Carnegie Mellon University
2.University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
3.University of California, San Diego
4.Georgia Institute of Technology
5.Massachusetts Institute of Technology
6.University of Michigan
7.University of Washington
8.University of California, Berkeley
9.Cornell University
9.University of Maryland, College Park
11.Northeastern University
11.Stanford University
13.Purdue University
14.New York University
14.University of Texas at Austin
16.University of Wisconsin–Madison
17.Princeton University
18.University of Pennsylvania
19.Columbia University
20.University of California, Los Angeles

CS prof here. CSranking is strictly about faculty' s research output in particular conferences/journals, not at all related to education quality. In this metric, this ranking is very accurate for UMD. UMD has been a top-10 CS research department and graduate program. All the CS faculty is internationally well known.

Code Signal is a company that provides interview services (coding tests) to other companies hiring employees. I’m sure a new ranking list is a great marketing tool - but this list seems based solely on coding skills and CS study is more than that.

Here we have an actual CS prof - I’m wondering what list you (prof) might think is most accurate? Or, if none, what is the best way to evaluate a CS undergrad program?

The ranking can also be skewed based on the number of participants.

UMD is a large state school. It takes in way more students with various backgrounds than these small private schools.

If you take the top 50 UMD CS students who took the tests and compared it to the 50 students Brown, for example, what would be the outcome?

SJSU is #2. Are people really going to say that SJSU is a #2 school for CS? Do most people on this forum even know what SJSU is? I do, because I went there, and I would never say SJSU is a #2 CS school.

UMD has a great reputation for CS for a reason.

You are arguing out of both sides.

On the one hand you say UMD takes in kids from various backgrounds and that’s why they don’t perform well with Code Signal.

Then you claim SJSU…which takes in more challenged students by far compared to even UMD…is not #2, when they clearly performed far better than all small privates except MIT.

both can be true.

SJSU has a lot of smart kids who probably can't even afford UC schools. They tend to be kids who live in the SJ area and are 1st gen college students. The school is 36% Asian, and it is not a flagship. No one would say SJSU is #2 for CS?

Contrast UMD which is a flagship that takes in a lot of kids from various backgrounds all over the state because they don't want just the highest performing Asian kids from MoCo.

Sorry, your explanation for why UMD performs poorly on Code Signal just doesn’t hold up at all.

What’s your next excuse? I mean it ranks 46…so worse than a dozen other flagships, tons of private schools including schools that almost nobody thinks of for CS like WashU or Vanderbilt…it ranks significantly worse than Stoneybrook.

And Stony Brook

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Purely looking at No11,

11.Northeastern University
11.Stanford University

it's hard to believe this ranking.

+1.

NE is probably the most skilled university at gaming college rankings among all universities located outside China

Sorry, boomer. CSrankings measures faculty research prowess. Times have changed from the 1970's. Now go outside and yell at the clouds.

I do research in CS. I know the research literature. NE dies not actually publish very much highly cited (== relevant, important) CS research, unlike MIT or CMU or Stanford. NE publish mostly in low-tier workshops and open access (anyone can publish anything) places.

You do realize that CSrankings only includes the most prestigious publication outlets? That's the whole purpose of CSrankings. The ignorance here is astounding.

Is that true? Do they list the publications.

There are only like three top CS conferences, so the easiest way to figure this out is if they published the list of who was invited and their universities (understanding not all can attend, which is why you want to see the invites).

The harsh reality in general is that research from private companies is now far more influential because universities don’t have anything approaching the budget needed to do the leading edge CS research anymore and top professors are going to work in private industry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Purely looking at No11,

11.Northeastern University
11.Stanford University

it's hard to believe this ranking.

+1.

NE is probably the most skilled university at gaming college rankings among all universities located outside China

Sorry, boomer. CSrankings measures faculty research prowess. Times have changed from the 1970's. Now go outside and yell at the clouds.

I do research in CS. I know the research literature. NE dies not actually publish very much highly cited (== relevant, important) CS research, unlike MIT or CMU or Stanford. NE publish mostly in low-tier workshops and open access (anyone can publish anything) places.

Sounds like you don't know shit at a podunk school.

How It Works;

​Publication Counting: It counts publications at the most selective, top-tier conferences in each area of computer science (e.g., NeurIPS for Machine Learning, SIGGRAPH for Graphics).

​Adjusted Credit: It uses "adjusted counts," meaning credit for a paper is split evenly among its co-authors. This prevents "ranking inflation" from simply having more authors on a single paper.
​Faculty-Focused: The system identifies faculty members who are actively publishing in specific research areas, making it a primary tool for prospective PhD and graduate students looking for advisors.

​Key Features
​Transparency: All data and the code used to generate the rankings are open-source and available on GitHub.
​Customization: You can filter rankings by specific sub-fields (AI, Systems, Theory, Interdisciplinary) and by region (USA, Europe, Asia, etc.).
​Timeframes: You can adjust the years surveyed to see which departments have been most productive recently versus over the last decade.

[Anonymous]

The NE advocates on DCUM are amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the rankings from CSrankings. How accurate are they for UMD? According to this, UMD has a top 10 department. I know it is hard to get into and just looking for real world people. Nothing against US News, Forbes etc. Something like Computer Science is so different than sociology.

1.Carnegie Mellon University
2.University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
3.University of California, San Diego
4.Georgia Institute of Technology
5.Massachusetts Institute of Technology
6.University of Michigan
7.University of Washington
8.University of California, Berkeley
9.Cornell University
9.University of Maryland, College Park
11.Northeastern University
11.Stanford University
13.Purdue University
14.New York University
14.University of Texas at Austin
16.University of Wisconsin–Madison
17.Princeton University
18.University of Pennsylvania
19.Columbia University
20.University of California, Los Angeles

CS prof here. CSranking is strictly about faculty' s research output in particular conferences/journals, not at all related to education quality. In this metric, this ranking is very accurate for UMD. UMD has been a top-10 CS research department and graduate program. All the CS faculty is internationally well known.

Code Signal is a company that provides interview services (coding tests) to other companies hiring employees. I’m sure a new ranking list is a great marketing tool - but this list seems based solely on coding skills and CS study is more than that.

Here we have an actual CS prof - I’m wondering what list you (prof) might think is most accurate? Or, if none, what is the best way to evaluate a CS undergrad program?

The ranking can also be skewed based on the number of participants.

UMD is a large state school. It takes in way more students with various backgrounds than these small private schools.

If you take the top 50 UMD CS students who took the tests and compared it to the 50 students Brown, for example, what would be the outcome?

SJSU is #2. Are people really going to say that SJSU is a #2 school for CS? Do most people on this forum even know what SJSU is? I do, because I went there, and I would never say SJSU is a #2 CS school.

UMD has a great reputation for CS for a reason.

You are arguing out of both sides.

On the one hand you say UMD takes in kids from various backgrounds and that’s why they don’t perform well with Code Signal.

Then you claim SJSU…which takes in more challenged students by far compared to even UMD…is not #2, when they clearly performed far better than all small privates except MIT.

both can be true.

SJSU has a lot of smart kids who probably can't even afford UC schools. They tend to be kids who live in the SJ area and are 1st gen college students. The school is 36% Asian, and it is not a flagship. No one would say SJSU is #2 for CS?

Contrast UMD which is a flagship that takes in a lot of kids from various backgrounds all over the state because they don't want just the highest performing Asian kids from MoCo.

Sorry, your explanation for why UMD performs poorly on Code Signal just doesn’t hold up at all.

What’s your next excuse? I mean it ranks 46…so worse than a dozen other flagships, tons of private schools including schools that almost nobody thinks of for CS like WashU or Vanderbilt…it ranks significantly worse than Stoneybrook.

Someones DC didn’t get in and now they are dissing UMD..