NGAT results are available

[Anonymous]

My kids teacher brought up AAP to us saying they really think it would be good for my Kid. But kids NGAT was disappointing. In the 50s for nonverbal and verbal. But 98% for quantitative. Very high on the MAP (99%) and VALLAS. So I don’t think they’ll make the cut for AAP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I normally goggle for percentiles and info on the test.

Did that and found very little. Did you have more luck?

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/77c18b49-7274-496f-808f-8c46bb4fb3a7/downloads/092120f0-1877-479c-9aae-047eedf53744/Gifted%201%20hour%20w%202E.pdf?ver=1764015314240
(pdf page 14 or slide #28)
It shows a sample report (more informative than the FCPS version that we just got). I think it implies that the "Total score" (composite) also maps to a same-shaped distribution (with mean 100 and sd 15).
In other words, Total Score 130 (mean+ 2sd ) ~ 97..h percentile and 135 (mean+ 2.33*sd) ~ 99th percentile.

So it looks like scores are similarly distributed to the old test, meaning mid 130s on the composite likely lands you in pool in most schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So disappointed in these test results. I don’t know why they couldn’t just stick with Cogat when it was working perfectly fine.

Because parents were prepping their kids and the results could not be trusted. They are looking for a test that actually can be used to differentiate and not have to guess at which kids were prepped and which kids were not.

It’s not about prepping. This test was not vetted properly and like all things FCPS has done recently, was rolled out haphazardly. Each section be it verbal, nonverbal or quantitative is logic based and to see such a huge disparity between sections indicates this test is faulty. No one ever encountered such odd results in Cogat. What a disappointment and our kids did not deserve to be guinea pigs for a test that was not vetted properly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a high discrepancy in my child’s score between verbal and the other two (nonverbal and quantitative). Verbal is very low and both nonverbal and quantitative are very high!

Same exact phenomenon for my kid

Same here. In the 70s and 80s percentile-wise for nonverbal and quant, but below 20th percentile for verbal. I find the discrepancy a bit baffling and hope it was an anomaly since it doesn’t seem to match what I see at home and on school assignments. With a verbal that low, I don’t see how they could have even read the prompts in order to do well on the other sections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What private testing can we do if we want to appeal an AAP rejection? (And if that testing has similar results, we will accept that AAP is not meant for our kid).

WISC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank you, OP!!

My kid's scores are surprising too. Highest on nonverbal, which is traditionally a family weakness (96). 90% on verbal and 93 on quant. Composite score 128.

Why on earth are these baffling? 90s aren’t weakness. Someone is saying their kid is in the 50s and you come in saying “me too!” Is it just to make the other feel bad?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you, OP!!

My kid's scores are surprising too. Highest on nonverbal, which is traditionally a family weakness (96). 90% on verbal and 93 on quant. Composite score 128.

Why on earth are these baffling? 90s aren’t weakness. Someone is saying their kid is in the 50s and you come in saying “me too!” Is it just to make the other feel bad?

What do you mean? The person is just surprised that the child’s highest score is in nonverbal..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you, OP!!

My kid's scores are surprising too. Highest on nonverbal, which is traditionally a family weakness (96). 90% on verbal and 93 on quant. Composite score 128.

Why on earth are these baffling? 90s aren’t weakness. Someone is saying their kid is in the 50s and you come in saying “me too!” Is it just to make the other feel bad?

No, not at all. I'm just saying that historically my children's nonverbal scores are their lowest.

It seems that NGAT wasn't either designed or administered properly. Looking at the other posters' comments, it seems that the score discrepancy between categories is more than one should normally expect.

[Anonymous]

This is not what I experienced with NGAT. My child’s scores are very consistent in the 98->99%. Overall scored 99.98%. I have an older child that’s already in AAP IV that scored 154 on WISC, and his CoGAT scores were consistent as well in the 98-99%. Both got 160 on NNAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you, OP!!

My kid's scores are surprising too. Highest on nonverbal, which is traditionally a family weakness (96). 90% on verbal and 93 on quant. Composite score 128.

Why on earth are these baffling? 90s aren’t weakness. Someone is saying their kid is in the 50s and you come in saying “me too!” Is it just to make the other feel bad?

No, not at all. I'm just saying that historically my children's nonverbal scores are their lowest.

It seems that NGAT wasn't either designed or administered properly. Looking at the other posters' comments, it seems that the score discrepancy between categories is more than one should normally expect.

Dp. I have a WISC for my second grader with ADHD. Her verbal score on the NGAT is not close to her verbal score on WISC. The other two are not far off, but the discrepancy on verbal makes me wonder about the questions asked on NGAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids teacher brought up AAP to us saying they really think it would be good for my Kid. But kids NGAT was disappointing. In the 50s for nonverbal and verbal. But 98% for quantitative. Very high on the MAP (99%) and VALLAS. So I don’t think they’ll make the cut for AAP.

AAP isn’t based on just one test. Also, it’s OK if the kids don’t make it in. Honestly it hurts no one at this age except the parents ego. I know cause my kid didn’t get in until 4th, having great scores etc. But eventually he was where he should be. My own child right now has a decent score in NGAT (low 90s) but very high NNAT from last year. No idea but I’ll submit the parent referral and not have high hopes. There are multiple application opportunities and appeals. Even kids who get in during later grades do great!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you, OP!!

My kid's scores are surprising too. Highest on nonverbal, which is traditionally a family weakness (96). 90% on verbal and 93 on quant. Composite score 128.

Why on earth are these baffling? 90s aren’t weakness. Someone is saying their kid is in the 50s and you come in saying “me too!” Is it just to make the other feel bad?

No, not at all. I'm just saying that historically my children's nonverbal scores are their lowest.

It seems that NGAT wasn't either designed or administered properly. Looking at the other posters' comments, it seems that the score discrepancy between categories is more than one should normally expect.

Dp. I have a WISC for my second grader with ADHD. Her verbal score on the NGAT is not close to her verbal score on WISC. The other two are not far off, but the discrepancy on verbal makes me wonder about the questions asked on NGAT.

I just want you to know that the WISC doesn’t count for much. My kid had a 99th in WISC at the end of grade 2. COGAt and NNAT were good but not off the charts. Great student. All 4s etc and still didn’t get in until 4th grade. They don’t care about the WISC. Looked at a “paid” test that not everyone can afford.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not what I experienced with NGAT. My child’s scores are very consistent in the 98->99%. Overall scored 99.98%. I have an older child that’s already in AAP IV that scored 154 on WISC, and his CoGAT scores were consistent as well in the 98-99%. Both got 160 on NNAT.

Why did you pay to get WISC if your child had such great Cogat scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not what I experienced with NGAT. My child’s scores are very consistent in the 98->99%. Overall scored 99.98%. I have an older child that’s already in AAP IV that scored 154 on WISC, and his CoGAT scores were consistent as well in the 98-99%. Both got 160 on NNAT.

Where are you getting the 99.98%? I’m not seeing the percentile on the report

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not what I experienced with NGAT. My child’s scores are very consistent in the 98->99%. Overall scored 99.98%. I have an older child that’s already in AAP IV that scored 154 on WISC, and his CoGAT scores were consistent as well in the 98-99%. Both got 160 on NNAT.

Where are you getting the 99.98%? I’m not seeing the percentile on the report

Middle column, "percentile rank".