NGAT results are available

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids teacher brought up AAP to us saying they really think it would be good for my Kid. But kids NGAT was disappointing. In the 50s for nonverbal and verbal. But 98% for quantitative. Very high on the MAP (99%) and VALLAS. So I don’t think they’ll make the cut for AAP.

AAP isn’t based on just one test. Also, it’s OK if the kids don’t make it in. Honestly it hurts no one at this age except the parents ego. I know cause my kid didn’t get in until 4th, having great scores etc. But eventually he was where he should be. My own child right now has a decent score in NGAT (low 90s) but very high NNAT from last year. No idea but I’ll submit the parent referral and not have high hopes. There are multiple application opportunities and appeals. Even kids who get in during later grades do great!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you, OP!!

My kid's scores are surprising too. Highest on nonverbal, which is traditionally a family weakness (96). 90% on verbal and 93 on quant. Composite score 128.

Why on earth are these baffling? 90s aren’t weakness. Someone is saying their kid is in the 50s and you come in saying “me too!” Is it just to make the other feel bad?

No, not at all. I'm just saying that historically my children's nonverbal scores are their lowest.

It seems that NGAT wasn't either designed or administered properly. Looking at the other posters' comments, it seems that the score discrepancy between categories is more than one should normally expect.

Dp. I have a WISC for my second grader with ADHD. Her verbal score on the NGAT is not close to her verbal score on WISC. The other two are not far off, but the discrepancy on verbal makes me wonder about the questions asked on NGAT.

I just want you to know that the WISC doesn’t count for much. My kid had a 99th in WISC at the end of grade 2. COGAt and NNAT were good but not off the charts. Great student. All 4s etc and still didn’t get in until 4th grade. They don’t care about the WISC. Looked at a “paid” test that not everyone can afford.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not what I experienced with NGAT. My child’s scores are very consistent in the 98->99%. Overall scored 99.98%. I have an older child that’s already in AAP IV that scored 154 on WISC, and his CoGAT scores were consistent as well in the 98-99%. Both got 160 on NNAT.

Why did you pay to get WISC if your child had such great Cogat scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not what I experienced with NGAT. My child’s scores are very consistent in the 98->99%. Overall scored 99.98%. I have an older child that’s already in AAP IV that scored 154 on WISC, and his CoGAT scores were consistent as well in the 98-99%. Both got 160 on NNAT.

Where are you getting the 99.98%? I’m not seeing the percentile on the report

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not what I experienced with NGAT. My child’s scores are very consistent in the 98->99%. Overall scored 99.98%. I have an older child that’s already in AAP IV that scored 154 on WISC, and his CoGAT scores were consistent as well in the 98-99%. Both got 160 on NNAT.

Where are you getting the 99.98%? I’m not seeing the percentile on the report

Middle column, "percentile rank".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you, OP!!

My kid's scores are surprising too. Highest on nonverbal, which is traditionally a family weakness (96). 90% on verbal and 93 on quant. Composite score 128.

Why on earth are these baffling? 90s aren’t weakness. Someone is saying their kid is in the 50s and you come in saying “me too!” Is it just to make the other feel bad?

No, not at all. I'm just saying that historically my children's nonverbal scores are their lowest.

It seems that NGAT wasn't either designed or administered properly. Looking at the other posters' comments, it seems that the score discrepancy between categories is more than one should normally expect.

Dp. I have a WISC for my second grader with ADHD. Her verbal score on the NGAT is not close to her verbal score on WISC. The other two are not far off, but the discrepancy on verbal makes me wonder about the questions asked on NGAT.

I just want you to know that the WISC doesn’t count for much. My kid had a 99th in WISC at the end of grade 2. COGAt and NNAT were good but not off the charts. Great student. All 4s etc and still didn’t get in until 4th grade. They don’t care about the WISC. Looked at a “paid” test that not everyone can afford.

Unless your child’s WISC is above 145, they don’t usually put much weight on it. If your child scored above 150 on WISC is pretty much an automatic admission. Given that’s an above 99.99% IQ score. My old boy had to take the WISC for appeal, and scored above 150. I know many parents’ kids got in on appeal with 145 and above WISC score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not what I experienced with NGAT. My child’s scores are very consistent in the 98->99%. Overall scored 99.98%. I have an older child that’s already in AAP IV that scored 154 on WISC, and his CoGAT scores were consistent as well in the 98-99%. Both got 160 on NNAT.

Where are you getting the 99.98%? I’m not seeing the percentile on the report

you can calculate it. Based on the information I found online regarding NGAT, the mean is 100, some use a standard deviation of 15 and some use 16. Base on the information, you can calculate the percentile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not what I experienced with NGAT. My child’s scores are very consistent in the 98->99%. Overall scored 99.98%. I have an older child that’s already in AAP IV that scored 154 on WISC, and his CoGAT scores were consistent as well in the 98-99%. Both got 160 on NNAT.

Why did you pay to get WISC if your child had such great Cogat scores.

for appeal, his 2nd grade teacher didn’t like him much, he didn’t like the environment that he was in. My appeal letter had to focus on his social and emotional aspects, he liked an environment with peers that has the same intellectual capabilities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not what I experienced with NGAT. My child’s scores are very consistent in the 98->99%. Overall scored 99.98%. I have an older child that’s already in AAP IV that scored 154 on WISC, and his CoGAT scores were consistent as well in the 98-99%. Both got 160 on NNAT.

Why did you pay to get WISC if your child had such great Cogat scores.

for appeal, his 2nd grade teacher didn’t like him much, he didn’t like the environment that he was in. My appeal letter had to focus on his social and emotional aspects, he liked an environment with peers that has the same intellectual capabilities.

Oh gosh not the ‘the 2nd grade teacher didn’t like my child’ excuse again. I’m surprised you got private testing when your child had such high scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not what I experienced with NGAT. My child’s scores are very consistent in the 98->99%. Overall scored 99.98%. I have an older child that’s already in AAP IV that scored 154 on WISC, and his CoGAT scores were consistent as well in the 98-99%. Both got 160 on NNAT.

Why did you pay to get WISC if your child had such great Cogat scores.

for appeal, his 2nd grade teacher didn’t like him much, he didn’t like the environment that he was in. My appeal letter had to focus on his social and emotional aspects, he liked an environment with peers that has the same intellectual capabilities.

Oh gosh not the ‘the 2nd grade teacher didn’t like my child’ excuse again. I’m surprised you got private testing when your child had such high scores.

we had to, to prove the teacher was wrong. The teacher was a substitute on a teacher that was on maternity all year, and my child hated the class cause he wasn’t doing anything, and he’s one of those kids that would challenge you tell you that what you teach was wrong. He got into Davidson Gifted (only accept IQ 99.9% and above, like the 999 society for adults) before AAP. Teachers see generally gifted kids all the time IQ 120-130ish, but they come across a profoundly gifted child maybe once or twice in their career, and most of them can’t tell, those kids are usually either very quiet in their head or very disruptive want to test out everything and challenge the status quo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not what I experienced with NGAT. My child’s scores are very consistent in the 98->99%. Overall scored 99.98%. I have an older child that’s already in AAP IV that scored 154 on WISC, and his CoGAT scores were consistent as well in the 98-99%. Both got 160 on NNAT.

Why did you pay to get WISC if your child had such great Cogat scores.

for appeal, his 2nd grade teacher didn’t like him much, he didn’t like the environment that he was in. My appeal letter had to focus on his social and emotional aspects, he liked an environment with peers that has the same intellectual capabilities.

Oh gosh not the ‘the 2nd grade teacher didn’t like my child’ excuse again. I’m surprised you got private testing when your child had such high scores.

Separately from this poster's dilemma, it 100% matters that the teacher likes your child. I have three, and my oldest had a 2nd grade teacher who was just fantastic and really saw the best in every child. I've made sure to specifically ask that my #2 and #3 were placed in his classroom, and both had very supportive paperwork for the AAP package. It matters!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not what I experienced with NGAT. My child’s scores are very consistent in the 98->99%. Overall scored 99.98%. I have an older child that’s already in AAP IV that scored 154 on WISC, and his CoGAT scores were consistent as well in the 98-99%. Both got 160 on NNAT.

Why did you pay to get WISC if your child had such great Cogat scores.

for appeal, his 2nd grade teacher didn’t like him much, he didn’t like the environment that he was in. My appeal letter had to focus on his social and emotional aspects, he liked an environment with peers that has the same intellectual capabilities.

Oh gosh not the ‘the 2nd grade teacher didn’t like my child’ excuse again. I’m surprised you got private testing when your child had such high scores.

we had to, to prove the teacher was wrong. The teacher was a substitute on a teacher that was on maternity all year, and my child hated the class cause he wasn’t doing anything, and he’s one of those kids that would challenge you tell you that what you teach was wrong. He got into Davidson Gifted (only accept IQ 99.9% and above, like the 999 society for adults) before AAP. Teachers see generally gifted kids all the time IQ 120-130ish, but they come across a profoundly gifted child maybe once or twice in their career, and most of them can’t tell, those kids are usually either very quiet in their head or very disruptive want to test out everything and challenge the status quo.

My kid was in MENSA and had the 99th WISC. No body cared. Again, didn’t get in until 4th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not what I experienced with NGAT. My child’s scores are very consistent in the 98->99%. Overall scored 99.98%. I have an older child that’s already in AAP IV that scored 154 on WISC, and his CoGAT scores were consistent as well in the 98-99%. Both got 160 on NNAT.

Why did you pay to get WISC if your child had such great Cogat scores.

for appeal, his 2nd grade teacher didn’t like him much, he didn’t like the environment that he was in. My appeal letter had to focus on his social and emotional aspects, he liked an environment with peers that has the same intellectual capabilities.

Oh gosh not the ‘the 2nd grade teacher didn’t like my child’ excuse again. I’m surprised you got private testing when your child had such high scores.

we had to, to prove the teacher was wrong. The teacher was a substitute on a teacher that was on maternity all year, and my child hated the class cause he wasn’t doing anything, and he’s one of those kids that would challenge you tell you that what you teach was wrong. He got into Davidson Gifted (only accept IQ 99.9% and above, like the 999 society for adults) before AAP. Teachers see generally gifted kids all the time IQ 120-130ish, but they come across a profoundly gifted child maybe once or twice in their career, and most of them can’t tell, those kids are usually either very quiet in their head or very disruptive want to test out everything and challenge the status quo.

My kid was in MENSA and had the 99th WISC. No body cared. Again, didn’t get in until 4th.

MENSA only needed 130, most kids in AAP can get in, but it’s not a good score to submit for AAP appeal, a 145 and above is needed to be even considered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you, OP!!

My kid's scores are surprising too. Highest on nonverbal, which is traditionally a family weakness (96). 90% on verbal and 93 on quant. Composite score 128.

Why on earth are these baffling? 90s aren’t weakness. Someone is saying their kid is in the 50s and you come in saying “me too!” Is it just to make the other feel bad?

No, not at all. I'm just saying that historically my children's nonverbal scores are their lowest.

It seems that NGAT wasn't either designed or administered properly. Looking at the other posters' comments, it seems that the score discrepancy between categories is more than one should normally expect.

NP here. Also a composite of 128 isn't that good. My 3rd grade DC was rejected from full time AAP with that score on Cogat and NNAT. So, if you're hoping your child will get into AAP, it is s disappointing score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I normally goggle for percentiles and info on the test.

Did that and found very little. Did you have more luck?

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/77c18b49-7274-496f-808f-8c46bb4fb3a7/downloads/092120f0-1877-479c-9aae-047eedf53744/Gifted%201%20hour%20w%202E.pdf?ver=1764015314240
(pdf page 14 or slide #28)
It shows a sample report (more informative than the FCPS version that we just got). I think it implies that the "Total score" (composite) also maps to a same-shaped distribution (with mean 100 and sd 15).
In other words, Total Score 130 (mean+ 2sd ) ~ 97..h percentile and 135 (mean+ 2.33*sd) ~ 99th percentile.

Helpful. So in pool will likely be somewhere in the 130s, and a kid with a 135+ will probably be safely in pool in the better school pyramids?