Air India plane crash - 240+ feared dead

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet it's more than likely generic or offbrand parts.

So
Aircraft maintenance issues (quality of parts or quality of labor inspection)

I saw a video where a passenger on the exact same airplane had posted earlier in the day how certain things on the plane were not functioning & were seemingly out of order.

Like the touchscreens.
Etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Air India is a POS airline.

Yes. Air India is owned by the same company that owns Land Rover and Jaguar. Maintenance and reliability are not exactly what they're known for.

[Anonymous]

Seat 11A is my new favorite seat!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In the video, you can see the plane doesn't have its flaps deployed, AS IT SHOULD during lift-off and landing.

So it's possible the flaps malfunctioned, the pilot was aware but he couldn't land the plane safely.

Good point. Could be the flaps.

That video is way too fuzzy to be able to determine that. My bet is on overloaded based on temperature.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet it's more than likely generic or offbrand parts.

So
Aircraft maintenance issues (quality of parts or quality of labor inspection)

I saw a video where a passenger on the exact same airplane had posted earlier in the day how certain things on the plane were not functioning & were seemingly out of order.

Like the touchscreens.
Etc.

I haven't seen the video. What wasn't working on the plane? It seems like touchscreens not working is nothing unusual for Air India even for business class and first class though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet it's more than likely generic or offbrand parts.

So
Aircraft maintenance issues (quality of parts or quality of labor inspection)

I saw a video where a passenger on the exact same airplane had posted earlier in the day how certain things on the plane were not functioning & were seemingly out of order.

Like the touchscreens.
Etc.

I haven't seen the video. What wasn't working on the plane? It seems like touchscreens not working is nothing unusual for Air India even for business class and first class though.

Regardless, touchscreens aren't integral to flight operations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They think it may have been a bird strike.

UPDATED

Could be a lot of things, they’ll have to investigate:
Pilot error
Mechanical sabotage
Overloaded weight limits given high temps
Petrol/fuseline sabotage
Hijacking
Bird strike
Mechanical / electronic aircraft issue
Engine issue
Poorly maintained
Didn’t use entire runway required
Pilot suicide
Pilot serious acute health issue

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet it's more than likely generic or offbrand parts.

So
Aircraft maintenance issues (quality of parts or quality of labor inspection)

I saw a video where a passenger on the exact same airplane had posted earlier in the day how certain things on the plane were not functioning & were seemingly out of order.

Like the touchscreens.
Etc.

I haven't seen the video. What wasn't working on the plane? It seems like touchscreens not working is nothing unusual for Air India even for business class and first class though.

Regardless, touchscreens aren't integral to flight operations.

No one said they were.

But it speaks to overall maintenance and lack of attention to detail. You cannot convince me that an airline that won’t bother to fix seatback displays or call buttons or interior lighting isn’t also cutting corners or slacking on engine/airframe/hydraulics/filght control surfaces and other maintenance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They think it may have been a bird strike.

Could be a lot of things, they’ll have to investigate:
Pilot error
Mechanical sabotage
Petrol/fuseline sabotage
Hijacking
Bird strike
Mechanical / electronic aircraft issue
Engine issue
Pilot suicide
Pilot serious acute health issue

The way the wings were sagging, I thought the plane was overloaded. The sole survivor mentioned a loud bang underneath, so I am thinking maybe the cargo became loose and shifted backwards, towards the tail.

You clearly know nothing about the dynamics of these planes in flight.

The wings are designed to flex upwards like you see in the video, for several reasons, from inducing roll stability from the wing dihedral to having a large degree of flex over the span of the wing to dissipate shock loads and vibration from turbulence. The wings on 777’s and 787’s are designed to flex upwards under flight up to ~15ft at the wing tips.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
In the video, you can see the plane doesn't have its flaps deployed, AS IT SHOULD during lift-off and landing.

So it's possible the flaps malfunctioned, the pilot was aware but he couldn't land the plane safely.

Flaps up and landing gear still down. I've read speculation that co-pilot pulled flaps up instead of landing gear. Loss of lift, combined with heavy drag of landing gear, plane stalls and no time to recover. I will be interest to hear experience of co-pilot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They think it may have been a bird strike.

Could be a lot of things, they’ll have to investigate:
Pilot error
Mechanical sabotage
Petrol/fuseline sabotage
Hijacking
Bird strike
Mechanical / electronic aircraft issue
Engine issue
Pilot suicide
Pilot serious acute health issue

The way the wings were sagging, I thought the plane was overloaded. The sole survivor mentioned a loud bang underneath, so I am thinking maybe the cargo became loose and shifted backwards, towards the tail.

You clearly know nothing about the dynamics of these planes in flight.

The wings are designed to flex upwards like you see in the video, for several reasons, from inducing roll stability from the wing dihedral to having a large degree of flex over the span of the wing to dissipate shock loads and vibration from turbulence. The wings on 777’s and 787’s are designed to flex upwards under flight up to ~15ft at the wing tips.

Agreed. Wings would have been mored bowed had flaps been down and landing gear up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In the video, you can see the plane doesn't have its flaps deployed, AS IT SHOULD during lift-off and landing.

So it's possible the flaps malfunctioned, the pilot was aware but he couldn't land the plane safely.

Flaps up and landing gear still down. I've read speculation that co-pilot pulled flaps up instead of landing gear. Loss of lift, combined with heavy drag of landing gear, plane stalls and no time to recover. I will be interest to hear experience of co-pilot.

I thought a photo of the wing was released in which the flaps appear to be down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet it's more than likely generic or offbrand parts.

So
Aircraft maintenance issues (quality of parts or quality of labor inspection)

I saw a video where a passenger on the exact same airplane had posted earlier in the day how certain things on the plane were not functioning & were seemingly out of order.

Like the touchscreens.
Etc.

I haven't seen the video. What wasn't working on the plane? It seems like touchscreens not working is nothing unusual for Air India even for business class and first class though.

Regardless, touchscreens aren't integral to flight operations.

No one said they were.

But it speaks to overall maintenance and lack of attention to detail. You cannot convince me that an airline that won’t bother to fix seatback displays or call buttons or interior lighting isn’t also cutting corners or slacking on engine/airframe/hydraulics/filght control surfaces and other maintenance.

Maintained by different people.

[Anonymous]

Flaps were correct, landing gear not properly retracted. The engines power the landing gear and seem to have failed almost immediately after takeoff. Possibly a problem with the fuel that affected both engines, they have separate tanks.

More bodies are being found on the ground, the toll is above 270.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet it's more than likely generic or offbrand parts.

So
Aircraft maintenance issues (quality of parts or quality of labor inspection)

I saw a video where a passenger on the exact same airplane had posted earlier in the day how certain things on the plane were not functioning & were seemingly out of order.

Like the touchscreens.
Etc.

I also saw this video on twitter and there were many comments saying it wasn’t even the same flight. Don’t believe everything you see and read on the internet (even if it was in fact the same plane)…and resist the urge to relay information you don’t know for sure is true.