OOS experience at flagships?

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a bad deal if you are full-pay because OOS is still less than full-pay private which is now approachong $96k at privates like USC

Michigan is 80K, which sure that's cheaper than 96, it's still on par with a great many private institutions.

And Calpoly is like 27K, so not even 10 grand more than UVA. So?

Why would anyone want to go to Cal Poly Pomona? And, yeah, I'm a Californian. Where did that suggestion come from?

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is waiting to hear from Michigan and Georgia Tech -- both of which have much lower acceptance rates for OOS applicants and, to varying degrees, enroll a (small) minority of out of state students.

What's the OOS experience like? Tuition is much higher for OOS and the median OOS student more qualified. Seems like a bad deal to me, especially if you think that part of what you are paying for is a peer group. Am I wrong?

Michigan is not a good deal at an average of 82k per year (not 80, as it goes up 4k for upperclassmen). You are paying to say you go to a “top school” which is far easier to get into oos than, say, Texas...if you are paying private school tuition, go private!

Georgia Tech is a whole different animal because oos tuition is 30k less…

Except Michigan is better than plenty of privates.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a bad deal if you are full-pay because OOS is still less than full-pay private which is now approaching $96k at privates like USC

OK, but aren't the resources available for students at state flagships significantly lower than at top privates?

And how does it matter that the peer group (and eventual alumni network) is so geographically focused?

No, and remember they are being funded by the state annually so endowment isn't the critical issue. What you should be looking at instead is national rank because that's what employers and grad schools look at. USNWR ranks publics both in context of all other schools, for example, UVA is no 24 of all schools public or private. And USNWR ranks publics (where UVA is no 4). Publics are a great value. GT is a fabulous school and top for aerospace engineering. International
students claw to get into it. Good luck to you kid.

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Anonymous wrote:The terminology really doesn't matter. OP clearly meant flagship to be the most selective state school in the state.

The fact that Michigan is 50% OOS and Georgia Tech only 10% is most pertinent, and suggests that being OOS at GT could be socially isolating.

Terminology absolutely matters. Did you go to graduate school? OP should have said most selective school in each state if that’s what she meant.

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DD is at Michigan and we feel we're getting our money's worth in terms of her education, facilities, college town etc. and it's a lifetime investment given the alumni network. Plus she wanted a big school and is having a blast with the sports and Greek culture and smart, driven, fun peer group. She didn't think she'd get this combination of factors anywhere else and was thrilled to be accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is waiting to hear from Michigan and Georgia Tech -- both of which have much lower acceptance rates for OOS applicants and, to varying degrees, enroll a (small) minority of out of state students.

What's the OOS experience like? Tuition is much higher for OOS and the median OOS student more qualified. Seems like a bad deal to me, especially if you think that part of what you are paying for is a peer group. Am I wrong?

Michigan is not a good deal at an average of 82k per year (not 80, as it goes up 4k for upperclassmen). You are paying to say you go to a “top school” which is far easier to get into oos than, say, Texas...if you are paying private school tuition, go private!

Georgia Tech is a whole different animal because oos tuition is 30k less…

Which private do you think would appeal to a kid looking at Michigan (and don't say Ivy b/c they want a big school experience)? USC, of course, but their acceptance rate is painfully low.

And USC is $96k a year. This is why the punlics are so popular

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Anonymous wrote:Joining a fraternity is the solution to the social challenges of attending an OOS public. The forced togetherness of pledgeship will help him forge bonds quickly and potentially assimilate into pre-existing friend groups (given that high school friends often rush the same house). Within 8-10 weeks, he'll go from being the awkward new guy that no one knows to being a god on campus who gets into the best parties and has the best girls wanting to date him. Statistically, he'll also have a higher GPA and better networking opportunities than if he remains a GDI.

Ugh, this advice was the absolute wrong thing to convince me that OOS flagships are a good idea. My DC is not the greek type.

Thanks so much for your response, though! Very helpful.

NP. Ignore the PP. They're trolling. Most state schools - whether flagships or not - don't have the huge Greek focus that a lot of SEC schools (Alabama, etc.) do. Mine attends one and didn't have any desire to go Greek. Most don't. And yet, there are tons of social opportunities. Just google "Greek percentage" for the schools you're interested in.

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Anonymous wrote:The terminology really doesn't matter. OP clearly meant flagship to be the most selective state school in the state.

The fact that Michigan is 50% OOS and Georgia Tech only 10% is most pertinent, and suggests that being OOS at GT could be socially isolating.

I fail to see what difference it would make if a student was in-state or OOS. No one ostracizes someone simply because they're from another state. This is a bizarre way of thinking. My DC attends an OOS school in which most kids come from that state. No one cares!

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is waiting to hear from Michigan and Georgia Tech -- both of which have much lower acceptance rates for OOS applicants and, to varying degrees, enroll a (small) minority of out of state students.

What's the OOS experience like? Tuition is much higher for OOS and the median OOS student more qualified. Seems like a bad deal to me, especially if you think that part of what you are paying for is a peer group. Am I wrong?

Michigan is not a good deal at an average of 82k per year (not 80, as it goes up 4k for upperclassmen). You are paying to say you go to a “top school” which is far easier to get into oos than, say, Texas...if you are paying private school tuition, go private!

Georgia Tech is a whole different animal because oos tuition is 30k less…

Which private do you think would appeal to a kid looking at Michigan (and don't say Ivy b/c they want a big school experience)? USC, of course, but their acceptance rate is painfully low.

Northwestern and Cornell.

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Aside from Michigan and Texas there are no publics worth the OOS price tag nor the OOS experience of being in a school filled with kids from one small geography and who probably go home for every long weekend.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC is waiting to hear from Michigan and Georgia Tech -- both of which have much lower acceptance rates for OOS applicants and, to varying degrees, enroll a (small) minority of out of state students.

What's the OOS experience like? Tuition is much higher for OOS and the median OOS student more qualified. Seems like a bad deal to me, especially if you think that part of what you are paying for is a peer group. Am I wrong?

Michigan is not a good deal at an average of 82k per year (not 80, as it goes up 4k for upperclassmen). You are paying to say you go to a “top school” which is far easier to get into oos than, say, Texas...if you are paying private school tuition, go private!

Georgia Tech is a whole different animal because oos tuition is 30k less…

Which private do you think would appeal to a kid looking at Michigan (and don't say Ivy b/c they want a big school experience)? USC, of course, but their acceptance rate is painfully low.

Northwestern and Cornell.

Agree about these two recs. I'm a Ross MBA who also considered Cornell. My sibling is undergrad Cornell/grad Michigan Engineering. Many historical ties between the schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Aside from Michigan and Texas there are no publics worth the OOS price tag nor the OOS experience of being in a school filled with kids from one small geography and who probably go home for every long weekend.

I don’t know of any flagship in a state of any decent size where this is the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Aside from Michigan and Texas there are no publics worth the OOS price tag nor the OOS experience of being in a school filled with kids from one small geography and who probably go home for every long weekend.

I don’t know of any flagship in a state of any decent size where this is the case.

Rutgers. Great school but lots of kids go home on the weekends. Small state geographically.

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Anonymous wrote:Aside from Michigan and Texas there are no publics worth the OOS price tag nor the OOS experience of being in a school filled with kids from one small geography and who probably go home for every long weekend.

I don’t know of any flagship in a state of any decent size where this is the case.

No flagship is like that

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Anonymous wrote:Aside from Michigan and Texas there are no publics worth the OOS price tag nor the OOS experience of being in a school filled with kids from one small geography and who probably go home for every long weekend.

I’d add Berkeley to the list with Texas and Michigan.