OOS experience at flagships?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it either, particularly if you already live in a state with a “public ivy”. I see appeal of UofM Ross or GT for engineering or a kid that wants to explore a different region, but UNC/UVA I could never justify. I’m also admittedly biased as my DC didn’t want to attend their own flagship so hard to comprehend others paying that much oos.

Not sure if upstate NY and Michigan qualify as the same region. The weather is certainly similar.

Either way, it should be clear to all that SUNY Binghamton offers a very different student experience than University of Michigan. Same with the alumni networks.

PP here. Ugh. Please ignore my overuse of "very" the first time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is waiting to hear from Michigan and Georgia Tech -- both of which have much lower acceptance rates for OOS applicants and, to varying degrees, enroll a (small) minority of out of state students.

What's the OOS experience like? Tuition is much higher for OOS and the median OOS student more qualified. Seems like a bad deal to me, especially if you think that part of what you are paying for is a peer group. Am I wrong?

DS enjoys CS at UMD alot. Would have likely attended UVA if accepted, but I think things worked out for the best.

UMD accepts the same percentage in state as OOS...I gather it has a much larger OOS population vs. GA Tech.

Michigan also I thought was nearly 50/50 instate vs. OOS.

I wouldn't worry about alumni networks and GA Tech. They have grads all over the country. I know a current junior that is interning this Summer in Seattle because companies from all over the country recruit the students.

That said, Atlanta is a cool city and has a vibrant tech scene, so great for that too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a bad deal if you are full-pay because OOS is still less than full-pay private which is now approaching $96k at privates like USC

OK, but aren't the resources available for students at state flagships significantly lower than at top privates?

And how does it matter that the peer group (and eventual alumni network) is so geographically focused?

No. Someone will cite endowments but most of that money isn’t affecting undergrads in a meaningful way apart from scholarships, at least not directly.

You should actually visit these large schools. The facilities, programs, and opportunities are all incredible.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a bad deal if you are full-pay because OOS is still less than full-pay private which is now approaching $96k at privates like USC

OK, but aren't the resources available for students at state flagships significantly lower than at top privates?

And how does it matter that the peer group (and eventual alumni network) is so geographically focused?

Do you know NOTHING about U of Michigan?

Michigan's per student endowment ranks 80th in the US. Far below most privates that are equally selective for non-Michigan students.

Schools with large per-student endowments have lots of money to spend -- on financial aid, on student research grants, on clubs, on better cafeteria food, on faculty salaries, on facilities, on everything. These schools also tend to have the most powerful and committed alumni networks.

Last I had heard Harvard was still refusing to reinstate hot breakfast at all of the dining halls, more than 15 years after cutting it nearly everywhere, despite a student and staff petition to do so. Undergrads tend to not be top priority for endowment support.

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The documentary Exclusion U is an interesting one on endowments. I don’t consider myself knowledgable enough to speak on it, but it does ‘amuse’ me sometimes that my child at enormous endowment Ivy has some areas of tattered furniture and my child at college with minuscule endowment by comparison feels like a resort.

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GT isn’t the flagship, UGA is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GT isn’t the flagship, UGA is.

Depends on how you define flagship . . . GT is more selective and more sought-after by high stats OOS students than UGA. GT is obviously more specialized (probably not as good for humanities) but is more prestigious overall.

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Anonymous wrote:GT isn’t the flagship, UGA is.

Depends on how you define flagship . . . GT is more selective and more sought-after by high stats OOS students than UGA. GT is obviously more specialized (probably not as good for humanities) but is more prestigious overall.

Doesn’t matter. Show us where GT refers to itself as a flagship.

[Anonymous]

Experience for the student or for the parent who is writing the check? I live in another state and my son graduated from William and Mary. Yes, most students were from Virginia, but he made many friends that he still keeps in contact with today. I am not sure what the OP is looking for here. You knew the price when you applied.

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Anonymous wrote:GT isn’t the flagship, UGA is.

Depends on how you define flagship . . . GT is more selective and more sought-after by high stats OOS students than UGA. GT is obviously more specialized (probably not as good for humanities) but is more prestigious overall.

Doesn’t matter. Show us where GT refers to itself as a flagship.

Does any school refer to itself that way? If so, I'd consider that a sign of weakness and a lack of confidence.

But okay

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DC is waiting to hear from Michigan and Georgia Tech -- both of which have much lower acceptance rates for OOS applicants and, to varying degrees, enroll a (small) minority of out of state students.

What's the OOS experience like? Tuition is much higher for OOS and the median OOS student more qualified. Seems like a bad deal to me, especially if you think that part of what you are paying for is a peer group. Am I wrong?

DS enjoys CS at UMD alot. Would have likely attended UVA if accepted, but I think things worked out for the best.

UMD accepts the same percentage in state as OOS...I gather it has a much larger OOS population vs. GA Tech.

Michigan also I thought was nearly 50/50 instate vs. OOS.

I wouldn't worry about alumni networks and GA Tech. They have grads all over the country. I know a current junior that is interning this Summer in Seattle because companies from all over the country recruit the students.

That said, Atlanta is a cool city and has a vibrant tech scene, so great for that too.

Yes Mich is 50% instate. So, OP you will need to ask yourself, are you ok with you kid rubbing elbows with 50% of the unwashed illiterate Michigan poplulation (or at least that is what your post sounds like). FWIW, the competition to get in Mich instate is not easy. It is akin to getting into UVA and UMD where certain counties have a number of high stats kids rejected. I would say if your kid has your attitude, better to not go. Nobody wants to listed to the OOS kid talk about how they just missed the ivy league or whatever. Been there done that at UVA- insufferable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DC is waiting to hear from Michigan and Georgia Tech -- both of which have much lower acceptance rates for OOS applicants and, to varying degrees, enroll a (small) minority of out of state students.

What's the OOS experience like? Tuition is much higher for OOS and the median OOS student more qualified. Seems like a bad deal to me, especially if you think that part of what you are paying for is a peer group. Am I wrong?

Then don't go? If you think your student won't be happy, then don't go. But seriously, the student should decide.

My student is a junior at a flagship in the south and loving it. Not in Greek life but found their "people" in the dorm.

Ga Tech is not the flagship for Georgia, BTW.

Also, if you think your student's stats will be "better" than the in-state cohort, then consider that your student will perform BETTER than the in-state students in the same class.

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Michigan is 50% OOS. I went there as an OOS student many years ago and it was not an issue in any way. I think the OOS percentage has gone up since then.

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One of the appealing things about Michigan for my DC is that it is 50/50 in state and OOS. It gives an OOS kid the chance to break in socially when so many kid are coming from different areas. As opposed to UNC, UT or UGA, for example.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:GT isn’t the flagship, UGA is.

Depends on how you define flagship . . . GT is more selective and more sought-after by high stats OOS students than UGA. GT is obviously more specialized (probably not as good for humanities) but is more prestigious overall.

Doesn’t matter. Show us where GT refers to itself as a flagship.

Does any school refer to itself that way? If so, I'd consider that a sign of weakness and a lack of confidence.

But okay

University of North Carolina, right here:
https://uncnews.unc.edu/resources/facts-and-figures/#:~:text=UNC%2DChapel%20Hill%20is%20one,regardless%20of%20their%20financial%20means.