OOS experience at flagships?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a bad deal if you are full-pay because OOS is still less than full-pay private which is now approaching $96k at privates like USC

OK, but aren't the resources available for students at state flagships significantly lower than at top privates?

And how does it matter that the peer group (and eventual alumni network) is so geographically focused?

There is so much missing here. 1. Most students aren't going to get into "top privates" (whatever that means to you). They need to cast a wide net. No admission is guaranteed. 2. In the top 25 national private universities, only 1 (Cornell) is larger than 10K students. Some kids don't want a smaller or mid-sized school. They want a different experience at 18. 3. It's a misconception that the resources are necessarily better at privates. You are paying more, but it doesn't always translate to a "better" academic experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a bad deal if you are full-pay because OOS is still less than full-pay private which is now approaching $96k at privates like USC

OK, but aren't the resources available for students at state flagships significantly lower than at top privates?

And how does it matter that the peer group (and eventual alumni network) is so geographically focused?

You are so misinformed to put it mildly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:GT isn’t the flagship, UGA is.

Depends on how you define flagship . . . GT is more selective and more sought-after by high stats OOS students than UGA. GT is obviously more specialized (probably not as good for humanities) but is more prestigious overall.

Doesn’t matter. Show us where GT refers to itself as a flagship.

Does any school refer to itself that way? If so, I'd consider that a sign of weakness and a lack of confidence.

But okay

University of North Carolina, right here:
https://uncnews.unc.edu/resources/facts-and-figures/#:~:text=UNC%2DChapel%20Hill%20is%20one,regardless%20of%20their%20financial%20means.

That’s just to distinguish it from UNC-A, UNC-G, UNC-C, UNC-W.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a bad deal if you are full-pay because OOS is still less than full-pay private which is now approachong $96k at privates like USC

Michigan is 80K, which sure that's cheaper than 96, it's still on par with a great many private institutions.

And Calpoly is like 27K, so not even 10 grand more than UVA. So?

[Anonymous]

Agree ratio of in-state to OOS makes a difference. Much harder to be OOS when 80%+ are in state.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:GT isn’t the flagship, UGA is.

Depends on how you define flagship . . . GT is more selective and more sought-after by high stats OOS students than UGA. GT is obviously more specialized (probably not as good for humanities) but is more prestigious overall.

Doesn’t matter. Show us where GT refers to itself as a flagship.

Does any school refer to itself that way? If so, I'd consider that a sign of weakness and a lack of confidence.

But okay

University of North Carolina, right here:
https://uncnews.unc.edu/resources/facts-and-figures/#:~:text=UNC%2DChapel%20Hill%20is%20one,regardless%20of%20their%20financial%20means.

That’s just to distinguish it from UNC-A, UNC-G, UNC-C, UNC-W.

UGA claims to be a flagship-
https://www.admissions.uga.edu/academics/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree ratio of in-state to OOS makes a difference. Much harder to be OOS when 80%+ are in state.

As long as you're in a fraternity, you're set. Greek status trumps in-state/OOS status in the campus pecking order. This especially matters for males.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a bad deal if you are full-pay because OOS is still less than full-pay private which is now approaching $96k at privates like USC

OK, but aren't the resources available for students at state flagships significantly lower than at top privates?

And how does it matter that the peer group (and eventual alumni network) is so geographically focused?

You are so misinformed to put it mildly.

Thank you for this informative response!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GT isn’t the flagship, UGA is.

Depends on how you define flagship . . . GT is more selective and more sought-after by high stats OOS students than UGA. GT is obviously more specialized (probably not as good for humanities) but is more prestigious overall.

Doesn’t matter. Show us where GT refers to itself as a flagship.

Does any school refer to itself that way? If so, I'd consider that a sign of weakness and a lack of confidence.

But okay

University of North Carolina, right here:
https://uncnews.unc.edu/resources/facts-and-figures/#:~:text=UNC%2DChapel%20Hill%20is%20one,regardless%20of%20their%20financial%20means.

That’s just to distinguish it from UNC-A, UNC-G, UNC-C, UNC-W.

You are incorrect. Everyone in NC knows that UNC-A, G, C, W, and P (you left that one off) are not going to be on unc.edu. Just like UMBC is not the same university as College Park.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GT isn’t the flagship, UGA is.

Depends on how you define flagship . . . GT is more selective and more sought-after by high stats OOS students than UGA. GT is obviously more specialized (probably not as good for humanities) but is more prestigious overall.

Doesn’t matter. Show us where GT refers to itself as a flagship.

Does any school refer to itself that way? If so, I'd consider that a sign of weakness and a lack of confidence.

But okay

University of North Carolina, right here:
https://uncnews.unc.edu/resources/facts-and-figures/#:~:text=UNC%2DChapel%20Hill%20is%20one,regardless%20of%20their%20financial%20means.

That’s just to distinguish it from UNC-A, UNC-G, UNC-C, UNC-W.

You are incorrect. Everyone in NC knows that UNC-A, G, C, W, and P (you left that one off) are not going to be on unc.edu. Just like UMBC is not the same university as College Park.

I am confused then, thought the question was do other schools call themselves a flagship?

[Anonymous]

The terminology really doesn't matter. OP clearly meant flagship to be the most selective state school in the state.

The fact that Michigan is 50% OOS and Georgia Tech only 10% is most pertinent, and suggests that being OOS at GT could be socially isolating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree ratio of in-state to OOS makes a difference. Much harder to be OOS when 80%+ are in state.

DC is at UT Austin. 90% in state. He has not had any issues with assimilation. Everyone he’s met has been extremely outgoing and friendly - eg southern niceness. Stayed at a friend’s parents house in Dallas for 1 week between housing for an internship even.

DC is in a small honors program and lived in the honors dorms. Not sure if that helped with assimilation too. FWIW -
One of his roommates sophomore year was from Fairfax County as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DC is waiting to hear from Michigan and Georgia Tech -- both of which have much lower acceptance rates for OOS applicants and, to varying degrees, enroll a (small) minority of out of state students.

What's the OOS experience like? Tuition is much higher for OOS and the median OOS student more qualified. Seems like a bad deal to me, especially if you think that part of what you are paying for is a peer group. Am I wrong?

How can you generalize. Michigan has 50% oos, others 5%.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a bad deal if you are full-pay because OOS is still less than full-pay private which is now approaching $96k at privates like USC

OK, but aren't the resources available for students at state flagships significantly lower than at top privates?

And how does it matter that the peer group (and eventual alumni network) is so geographically focused?

Both valid points and the reason we did not consider OOS publics for undergrad. Private T30 is the way to go, T10 for the super smarties, or in-state flagship public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DC is waiting to hear from Michigan and Georgia Tech -- both of which have much lower acceptance rates for OOS applicants and, to varying degrees, enroll a (small) minority of out of state students.

What's the OOS experience like? Tuition is much higher for OOS and the median OOS student more qualified. Seems like a bad deal to me, especially if you think that part of what you are paying for is a peer group. Am I wrong?

Michigan is not a good deal at an average of 82k per year (not 80, as it goes up 4k for upperclassmen). You are paying to say you go to a “top school” which is far easier to get into oos than, say, Texas...if you are paying private school tuition, go private!

Georgia Tech is a whole different animal because oos tuition is 30k less…