Test Optional athlete - Columbia, Princeton, Penn

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Anonymous wrote:I have a junior and we are just starting the recruiting process for baseball. He's looking at a couple of Ivies and highly selective SLACs, and coaches at TO schools are saying that they expect potential recruits to submit test scores for pre-reads.

Good the TO madness needs to stop. Elite schools should have elite students.

before test optional, there were bricks getting admitted too.

At top schools the players aren’t bricks, they have sats that are 1450 instead of 1550. Also, most kids coming from the DMV aren’t in the football/baseketball/track/baseball world, it’s XC, field hockey, lacrosse etc.

im talking basketball and football where
scores could be 1200 or lower for top players

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Anonymous wrote:I have a junior and we are just starting the recruiting process for baseball. He's looking at a couple of Ivies and highly selective SLACs, and coaches at TO schools are saying that they expect potential recruits to submit test scores for pre-reads.

Good the TO madness needs to stop. Elite schools should have elite students.

Even pre-TO ivies, duke, uchicago take athletes with much lower scores, as in 1200s (even lower for duke basketball and football of course) . In otherwords 250-350 points below unhooked admits. The athletic lowered standards will not change because they have always been that way. Thats the true admissions scandal not some questbridge kid getting in with a 1410.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a junior and we are just starting the recruiting process for baseball. He's looking at a couple of Ivies and highly selective SLACs, and coaches at TO schools are saying that they expect potential recruits to submit test scores for pre-reads.

Good the TO madness needs to stop. Elite schools should have elite students.

before test optional, there were bricks getting admitted too.

At top schools the players aren’t bricks, they have sats that are 1450 instead of 1550. Also, most kids coming from the DMV aren’t in the football/baseketball/track/baseball world, it’s XC, field hockey, lacrosse etc.

im talking basketball and football where
scores could be 1200 or lower for top players

It is not just those: Ivy swimmer we know is 1280, baseball 1190. Lacrosse at hopkins 1250. Track act 28. These are not best and brightest students.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a junior and we are just starting the recruiting process for baseball. He's looking at a couple of Ivies and highly selective SLACs, and coaches at TO schools are saying that they expect potential recruits to submit test scores for pre-reads.

Good the TO madness needs to stop. Elite schools should have elite students.

before test optional, there were bricks getting admitted too.

At top schools the players aren’t bricks, they have sats that are 1450 instead of 1550. Also, most kids coming from the DMV aren’t in the football/baseketball/track/baseball world, it’s XC, field hockey, lacrosse etc.

nope not true.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a junior and we are just starting the recruiting process for baseball. He's looking at a couple of Ivies and highly selective SLACs, and coaches at TO schools are saying that they expect potential recruits to submit test scores for pre-reads.

Good the TO madness needs to stop. Elite schools should have elite students.

My 2022 grad (athlete) had test scores (1480) and submitted them for pre reads at IVYs and Nesacs.

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Anonymous wrote:test optional does not exist for athletes in any T25

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I'm pretty confident Duke basketball players aren't expected to score a 1350. Or football players at Michigan or Notre Dame.

For the D1 T25 schools that choose to field competitive teams in basketball and football, there will be some flexibility. But it's a balance. It's a small group of athletes in basketball and football that can handle the classwork at Duke, Vanderbilt, Stanford, Northwestern, Notre Dame, USC, Rice, Berkeley, and Michigan. And all those schools are competing for the same limited pool of academically competent athletes. There is a lot of money involved in these sports.

But it is sport dependent. Harvard always has a good hockey team. And those hockey players will have a different academic threshold than a regular applicant. They are not all scoring 1350 and above. But they do need to demonstrate they are not going to flunk out.

These are the revenue and prestige sports. So those applicants are in a different pile. But I can guarantee that the middle distance runners at T25 schools are all scoring above the 95 percentile on standardized tests.

lol is this a joke? the basketball and football recruits at duke, michigan, sc are ahem not that academically inclined to put it lightly

same for stanford. if you are a star football recruit, the standards are embarrassingly low

Not for UMD. If you go there to play a sport, you better be ready to play school, too. 'Student-athlete' is not an oxymoron to them.

i guarantee you the maryland football and basketball players have mostly underwhelming highschool stats

Revenue sports are very different and some UMD Football players would have been admitted as a NARP.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a junior and we are just starting the recruiting process for baseball. He's looking at a couple of Ivies and highly selective SLACs, and coaches at TO schools are saying that they expect potential recruits to submit test scores for pre-reads.

Good the TO madness needs to stop. Elite schools should have elite students.

My 2022 grad (athlete) had test scores (1480) and submitted them for pre reads at IVYs and Nesacs.

that is a nothingburger post

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Anonymous wrote:question is for this cycle - have any of your DC athletes (or your kids’ friends) gotten into one of the remaining Ivy TOs without submitting a score? naming the sport would help, as I suspect it’s more likely for basketball/football than cross country or tennis. Thanks DCUM!

No. I know athletes at Penn and Columbia. All required test scores of > 1500 before even being considered.

They probably aren’t very good.

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Anonymous wrote:this thread is infuriating- why do these colleges even have sports - just takes seats away from the kids who deserve them and allows the 6’4” private school doof a path to dartmouth - so unfair for the kids who actually deserve admittance

Because they are businesses. They get to decide what is important to them and what is deserving per, their interests. They care about their brands, stakeholders, revenue, alumni donations, etc. and their priorities are in service to that. No seats are ‘taken away’ as they were never anyone’s to begin with. No one is entitled to a seat. One has to be a okay with system or look elsewhere. I get the frustration, but it is what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:this thread is infuriating- why do these colleges even have sports - just takes seats away from the kids who deserve them and allows the 6’4” private school doof a path to dartmouth - so unfair for the kids who actually deserve admittance

Because they are businesses. They get to decide what is important to them and what is deserving per, their interests. They care about their brands, stakeholders, revenue, alumni donations, etc. and their priorities are in service to that. No seats are ‘taken away’ as they were never anyone’s to begin with. No one is entitled to a seat. One has to be a okay with system or look elsewhere. I get the frustration, but it is what it is.

This is one of the smartest things I have read on this entire site.

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My daughter is top 10 nationally in her event in T&F, recruited to most Ivys. Princeton needed >1400, Columbia >1380, Harvard >1400. Even TO schools wanted scores

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes with a 1350 make good students. Don't worry, the schools know what they are doing.

+1. Probably better students than the kids who get their parents to write their essays.

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Anonymous wrote:this thread is infuriating- why do these colleges even have sports - just takes seats away from the kids who deserve them and allows the 6’4” private school doof a path to dartmouth - so unfair for the kids who actually deserve admittance

Just a few notes about Harvard's student body.

About 20% of the class are on a varsity team, most of the athletes are recruited athletes.
The median family income for recruited athletes is about $250,000, 20% of them come from families making more than $500K.
83% of the athletes are white (compared to 41% of the student body).

That might give you some idea why there are so many recruited athletes for country club sports that nobody watches.

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Anonymous wrote:Multiple ivy athletes have gone from our private with 1180, 1200, 1260, 1410, and they submit scores. The coaches want the scores! They have always allowed lower scores for athletes: the academic index for the team and the school is what matters, not the individual.

I second this - all scores in the 1200's

non-helmet sport but top recruit level for one of schools in title - low/mid 1200s. Coach basically told them submit it doesn’t matter. If you are in top recruit level for any ivy you will get tremendous flexibility. People saying “1500” is for mid-level or borderline recruit

With the new ruling, there are zero borderline recruits now.

What do you mean? The AI is still in play.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is top 10 nationally in her event in T&F, recruited to most Ivys. Princeton needed >1400, Columbia >1380, Harvard >1400. Even TO schools wanted scores

OP here, thank you for this guidance - this is the type of feedback I was seeking. But with DCUM, you have to take 5 pages of garbage / people not answering your question to get the one who does!