Test Optional athlete - Columbia, Princeton, Penn

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My daughter is top 10 nationally in her event in T&F, recruited to most Ivys. Princeton needed >1400, Columbia >1380, Harvard >1400. Even TO schools wanted scores

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes with a 1350 make good students. Don't worry, the schools know what they are doing.

+1. Probably better students than the kids who get their parents to write their essays.

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Anonymous wrote:this thread is infuriating- why do these colleges even have sports - just takes seats away from the kids who deserve them and allows the 6’4” private school doof a path to dartmouth - so unfair for the kids who actually deserve admittance

Just a few notes about Harvard's student body.

About 20% of the class are on a varsity team, most of the athletes are recruited athletes.
The median family income for recruited athletes is about $250,000, 20% of them come from families making more than $500K.
83% of the athletes are white (compared to 41% of the student body).

That might give you some idea why there are so many recruited athletes for country club sports that nobody watches.

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Anonymous wrote:Multiple ivy athletes have gone from our private with 1180, 1200, 1260, 1410, and they submit scores. The coaches want the scores! They have always allowed lower scores for athletes: the academic index for the team and the school is what matters, not the individual.

I second this - all scores in the 1200's

non-helmet sport but top recruit level for one of schools in title - low/mid 1200s. Coach basically told them submit it doesn’t matter. If you are in top recruit level for any ivy you will get tremendous flexibility. People saying “1500” is for mid-level or borderline recruit

With the new ruling, there are zero borderline recruits now.

What do you mean? The AI is still in play.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is top 10 nationally in her event in T&F, recruited to most Ivys. Princeton needed >1400, Columbia >1380, Harvard >1400. Even TO schools wanted scores

OP here, thank you for this guidance - this is the type of feedback I was seeking. But with DCUM, you have to take 5 pages of garbage / people not answering your question to get the one who does!

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is top 10 nationally in her event in T&F, recruited to most Ivys. Princeton needed >1400, Columbia >1380, Harvard >1400. Even TO schools wanted scores

How horrifying

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is top 10 nationally in her event in T&F, recruited to most Ivys. Princeton needed >1400, Columbia >1380, Harvard >1400. Even TO schools wanted scores

OP here, thank you for this guidance - this is the type of feedback I was seeking. But with DCUM, you have to take 5 pages of garbage / people not answering your question to get the one who does!

The above is specific to the T&F. For instance, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, a lacrosse girl got accepted to Princeton from a local private with less that 1300 last year. (It’s easy to see the stats on Scoir)

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My DS was accepted to an Ivy (think of Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Columbia) with a 1280 on the SAT, and a 3.3 GPA. It is neither football nor basketball.

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Cornell accepted a female basketball player from our non DMV private TO(she had<1100 based on scoir) and a 3.5 with maybe 1 or 2 APs at most. She was a pretty accomplished basketball player and first gen.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS was accepted to an Ivy (think of Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Columbia) with a 1280 on the SAT, and a 3.3 GPA. It is neither football nor basketball.

Hockey Player? Helmet sports are much more forgiving than say squash or golf.

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Anonymous wrote:Cornell accepted a female basketball player from our non DMV private TO(she had<1100 based on scoir) and a 3.5 with maybe 1 or 2 APs at most. She was a pretty accomplished basketball player and first gen.

During Covid that might have happened but not today. The scores you just outlined would be barely admittable with the Academic Index back in play. An admit like that would shape the entire recruiting class for that sport and not in a way that most coaches would ever be willing to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Multiple ivy athletes have gone from our private with 1180, 1200, 1260, 1410, and they submit scores. The coaches want the scores! They have always allowed lower scores for athletes: the academic index for the team and the school is what matters, not the individual.

+1
See the same with athletes at our school for Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn and Dartmouth.
Also know recruited athlete for Yale that did not submit scores. They committed last year as junior and never took the SAT.
But those kids are thriving - academically and athletically so it clearly isn’t an issue. No I don’t know their grades but couple have come back to our school to talk to current seniors and they all see happy and well supported at their schools. They are currently Freshman, sophomores, and juniors so clearly not washing out.

Also to the PP that said this season is done - that is not true. I know a senior who is doing 2 Ivy recruiting visits in January.

the reverse is true as well. I know a very good football player who has a 4.0/1560/top extracurriculars/height/size who hasn't been able to get an Ivy offer despite trying quite hard with recruiting camps, etc. Clearly the Ivies don't care too much about SAT scores or grades on their football teams because they are going with great football skill over very good football skill with top stats. He does have a ton of high academic D3 offers.

What position? How good? And how was his HS team overall?

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Anonymous wrote:Multiple ivy athletes have gone from our private with 1180, 1200, 1260, 1410, and they submit scores. The coaches want the scores! They have always allowed lower scores for athletes: the academic index for the team and the school is what matters, not the individual.

Wow, are they actually able to handle the work? What happens if they no longer want to play? 1180 is shockingly low for an ivy

I don't think anything happens if they no longer want to play, as they're not there on athletic scholarships.

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Anonymous wrote:this thread is infuriating- why do these colleges even have sports - just takes seats away from the kids who deserve them and allows the 6’4” private school doof a path to dartmouth - so unfair for the kids who actually deserve admittance

Because they are businesses. They get to decide what is important to them and what is deserving per, their interests. They care about their brands, stakeholders, revenue, alumni donations, etc. and their priorities are in service to that. No seats are ‘taken away’ as they were never anyone’s to begin with. No one is entitled to a seat. One has to be a okay with system or look elsewhere. I get the frustration, but it is what it is.

+1. If they're having football games for students and alumni to attend, they have to have students who can catch, throw, and tackle out there. It's not up to you to say who "deserves admittance." Maybe they have wealthy donors who are also football fans, and it pays off.

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Know a kid TO at Penn for baseball if that helps. No idea on score other than the kid said he told admissions the score and they said no problem just submit TO.