Test Optional athlete - Columbia, Princeton, Penn

[Anonymous]

question is for this cycle - have any of your DC athletes (or your kids’ friends) gotten into one of the remaining Ivy TOs without submitting a score? naming the sport would help, as I suspect it’s more likely for basketball/football than cross country or tennis. Thanks DCUM!

[Anonymous]

Aren't the actual atglete candidates already settled? What kind of athlete are you talking about, OP?

[Anonymous]

yes recruits are all settled for this year - but I’m wondering if any non-helmet sport kids got in TO - I highly doubt it, but if it did happen, I figure DCUM would know! Our club coach seems to be providing false hope by professing that it’s a legitimate path at these schools

[Anonymous]

Our neighbor’s son has football offers from Columbia, Penn and Cornell. He was told he needs a 1350 for Columbia and Penn (he’s 2026).

[Anonymous]

test optional does not exist for athletes in any T25

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[Anonymous]

Lacrosse

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:test optional does not exist for athletes in any T25

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I'm pretty confident Duke basketball players aren't expected to score a 1350. Or football players at Michigan or Notre Dame.

For the D1 T25 schools that choose to field competitive teams in basketball and football, there will be some flexibility. But it's a balance. It's a small group of athletes in basketball and football that can handle the classwork at Duke, Vanderbilt, Stanford, Northwestern, Notre Dame, USC, Rice, Berkeley, and Michigan. And all those schools are competing for the same limited pool of academically competent athletes. There is a lot of money involved in these sports.

But it is sport dependent. Harvard always has a good hockey team. And those hockey players will have a different academic threshold than a regular applicant. They are not all scoring 1350 and above. But they do need to demonstrate they are not going to flunk out.

These are the revenue and prestige sports. So those applicants are in a different pile. But I can guarantee that the middle distance runners at T25 schools are all scoring above the 95 percentile on standardized tests.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:test optional does not exist for athletes in any T25

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I'm pretty confident Duke basketball players aren't expected to score a 1350. Or football players at Michigan or Notre Dame.

For the D1 T25 schools that choose to field competitive teams in basketball and football, there will be some flexibility. But it's a balance. It's a small group of athletes in basketball and football that can handle the classwork at Duke, Vanderbilt, Stanford, Northwestern, Notre Dame, USC, Rice, Berkeley, and Michigan. And all those schools are competing for the same limited pool of academically competent athletes. There is a lot of money involved in these sports.

But it is sport dependent. Harvard always has a good hockey team. And those hockey players will have a different academic threshold than a regular applicant. They are not all scoring 1350 and above. But they do need to demonstrate they are not going to flunk out.

These are the revenue and prestige sports. So those applicants are in a different pile. But I can guarantee that the middle distance runners at T25 schools are all scoring above the 95 percentile on standardized tests.

And adding to this, being a good student and a good football player is an amazing hook for T25 schools. Not talking about Notre Dame or Michigan necessarily, but for Dartmouth, Brown, Princeton and all the other schools that need bodies on the field.

[Anonymous]

princeton, penn, and columbia likely admitting wrestlers on a TO basis

we knew a princeton wrestler who was an absolute dope

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:test optional does not exist for athletes in any T25

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Cornell said at an athlete Zoom meeting that a 1300 is enough if you’re among the top in your sport. That’s not TO but it’s also a low score.

[Anonymous]

I’ve heard the 1350 number.

[Anonymous]

I thought that they had to submit in order to compute the team’s academic index? So for every average kid, the coach needed to roster an ACT 36 kid. Now the 36 might not be recruited, and the admissions office might just tack him on the team for his score (that’s the workaround, and yes it is ridiculous), but don’t both kids have to submit?

Didn’t think Ivies allowed TO for athletes. Specifically for academic index.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought that they had to submit in order to compute the team’s academic index? So for every average kid, the coach needed to roster an ACT 36 kid. Now the 36 might not be recruited, and the admissions office might just tack him on the team for his score (that’s the workaround, and yes it is ridiculous), but don’t both kids have to submit?

Didn’t think Ivies allowed TO for athletes. Specifically for academic index.

They are definitely not looking for high stats kids who don’t have the athletic ability. I know AI and the Yale video…but we are recruiting and the biggest factor is athletic ability. Esp after the new NCAA ruling.

[Anonymous]

right outside of T25 this starts to become a thing - think patriot league schools, ie colgate bucknell lehigh - if the coach wants you,
regardless of sport, you can get in TO. All ivy sports still bound to the academic index so they ALL need a score, regardless of school policy for the general admit

[Anonymous]

Last year, a girl from DD’s school went to Princeton to play lacrosse, with SAT of 1280.