Test Optional athlete - Columbia, Princeton, Penn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Multiple ivy athletes have gone from our private with 1180, 1200, 1260, 1410, and they submit scores. The coaches want the scores! They have always allowed lower scores for athletes: the academic index for the team and the school is what matters, not the individual.

I second this - all scores in the 1200's

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multiple ivy athletes have gone from our private with 1180, 1200, 1260, 1410, and they submit scores. The coaches want the scores! They have always allowed lower scores for athletes: the academic index for the team and the school is what matters, not the individual.

+1
See the same with athletes at our school for Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn and Dartmouth.
Also know recruited athlete for Yale that did not submit scores. They committed last year as junior and never took the SAT.
But those kids are thriving - academically and athletically so it clearly isn’t an issue. No I don’t know their grades but couple have come back to our school to talk to current seniors and they all see happy and well supported at their schools. They are currently Freshman, sophomores, and juniors so clearly not washing out.

Also to the PP that said this season is done - that is not true. I know a senior who is doing 2 Ivy recruiting visits in January.

the reverse is true as well. I know a very good football player who has a 4.0/1560/top extracurriculars/height/size who hasn't been able to get an Ivy offer despite trying quite hard with recruiting camps, etc. Clearly the Ivies don't care too much about SAT scores or grades on their football teams because they are going with great football skill over very good football skill with top stats. He does have a ton of high academic D3 offers.

boo hoo - so unfair that the ivies aren’t interested after all of his hard work!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multiple ivy athletes have gone from our private with 1180, 1200, 1260, 1410, and they submit scores. The coaches want the scores! They have always allowed lower scores for athletes: the academic index for the team and the school is what matters, not the individual.

Wow, are they actually able to handle the work? What happens if they no longer want to play? 1180 is shockingly low for an ivy

They push them into easy majors andin some cases make them take less courses per semester and catch up in summer! It happens all the time. None of these ended up bio/chem/engineering! One is urban studies, one is earth science, the others too new to have picked.

Not to mention the spreadsheet of the easiest classes to take and a trove of old exams to look at.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multiple ivy athletes have gone from our private with 1180, 1200, 1260, 1410, and they submit scores. The coaches want the scores! They have always allowed lower scores for athletes: the academic index for the team and the school is what matters, not the individual.

I second this - all scores in the 1200's

non-helmet sport but top recruit level for one of schools in title - low/mid 1200s. Coach basically told them submit it doesn’t matter. If you are in top recruit level for any ivy you will get tremendous flexibility. People saying “1500” is for mid-level or borderline recruit

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multiple ivy athletes have gone from our private with 1180, 1200, 1260, 1410, and they submit scores. The coaches want the scores! They have always allowed lower scores for athletes: the academic index for the team and the school is what matters, not the individual.

Wow, are they actually able to handle the work? What happens if they no longer want to play? 1180 is shockingly low for an ivy

They push them into easy majors andin some cases make them take less courses per semester and catch up in summer! It happens all the time. None of these ended up bio/chem/engineering! One is urban studies, one is earth science, the others too new to have picked.

Not to mention the spreadsheet of the easiest classes to take and a trove of old exams to look at.

came here to say this. athletes at ivies are a different group. nephew is XC at one, has the stats (1500 and took a bunch of APs) but most there don't and the coaches all push easy classes and easy majors. He is not close to a top runner on the team and is considering quitting to get rid of the you-arent-smart-enough for this place judgement from professors and other students that comes with being an athlete

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multiple ivy athletes have gone from our private with 1180, 1200, 1260, 1410, and they submit scores. The coaches want the scores! They have always allowed lower scores for athletes: the academic index for the team and the school is what matters, not the individual.

I second this - all scores in the 1200's

non-helmet sport but top recruit level for one of schools in title - low/mid 1200s. Coach basically told them submit it doesn’t matter. If you are in top recruit level for any ivy you will get tremendous flexibility. People saying “1500” is for mid-level or borderline recruit

With the new ruling, there are zero borderline recruits now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multiple ivy athletes have gone from our private with 1180, 1200, 1260, 1410, and they submit scores. The coaches want the scores! They have always allowed lower scores for athletes: the academic index for the team and the school is what matters, not the individual.

Wow, are they actually able to handle the work? What happens if they no longer want to play? 1180 is shockingly low for an ivy

They push them into easy majors andin some cases make them take less courses per semester and catch up in summer! It happens all the time. None of these ended up bio/chem/engineering! One is urban studies, one is earth science, the others too new to have picked.

Not to mention the spreadsheet of the easiest classes to take and a trove of old exams to look at.

came here to say this. athletes at ivies are a different group. nephew is XC at one, has the stats (1500 and took a bunch of APs) but most there don't and the coaches all push easy classes and easy majors. He is not close to a top runner on the team and is considering quitting to get rid of the you-arent-smart-enough for this place judgement from professors and other students that comes with being an athlete

boo hoo - horrible he has to deal with being judged!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multiple ivy athletes have gone from our private with 1180, 1200, 1260, 1410, and they submit scores. The coaches want the scores! They have always allowed lower scores for athletes: the academic index for the team and the school is what matters, not the individual.

Wow, are they actually able to handle the work? What happens if they no longer want to play? 1180 is shockingly low for an ivy

They push them into easy majors andin some cases make them take less courses per semester and catch up in summer! It happens all the time. None of these ended up bio/chem/engineering! One is urban studies, one is earth science, the others too new to have picked.

Not to mention the spreadsheet of the easiest classes to take and a trove of old exams to look at.

came here to say this. athletes at ivies are a different group. nephew is XC at one, has the stats (1500 and took a bunch of APs) but most there don't and the coaches all push easy classes and easy majors. He is not close to a top runner on the team and is considering quitting to get rid of the you-arent-smart-enough for this place judgement from professors and other students that comes with being an athlete

boo hoo - horrible he has to deal with being judged!

At least his future is secured since he went to an Ivy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multiple ivy athletes have gone from our private with 1180, 1200, 1260, 1410, and they submit scores. The coaches want the scores! They have always allowed lower scores for athletes: the academic index for the team and the school is what matters, not the individual.

Wow, are they actually able to handle the work? What happens if they no longer want to play? 1180 is shockingly low for an ivy

They push them into easy majors andin some cases make them take less courses per semester and catch up in summer! It happens all the time. None of these ended up bio/chem/engineering! One is urban studies, one is earth science, the others too new to have picked.

Not to mention the spreadsheet of the easiest classes to take and a trove of old exams to look at.

came here to say this. athletes at ivies are a different group. nephew is XC at one, has the stats (1500 and took a bunch of APs) but most there don't and the coaches all push easy classes and easy majors. He is not close to a top runner on the team and is considering quitting to get rid of the you-arent-smart-enough for this place judgement from professors and other students that comes with being an athlete

1500 is not "the stats" for an Ivy without top EC's. He likely got in because he's an athlete - too bad it sounds like it's not appreciated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Multiple ivy athletes have gone from our private with 1180, 1200, 1260, 1410, and they submit scores. The coaches want the scores! They have always allowed lower scores for athletes: the academic index for the team and the school is what matters, not the individual.

Wow, are they actually able to handle the work? What happens if they no longer want to play? 1180 is shockingly low for an ivy

They push them into easy majors andin some cases make them take less courses per semester and catch up in summer! It happens all the time. None of these ended up bio/chem/engineering! One is urban studies, one is earth science, the others too new to have picked.

Not to mention the spreadsheet of the easiest classes to take and a trove of old exams to look at.

came here to say this. athletes at ivies are a different group. nephew is XC at one, has the stats (1500 and took a bunch of APs) but most there don't and the coaches all push easy classes and easy majors. He is not close to a top runner on the team and is considering quitting to get rid of the you-arent-smart-enough for this place judgement from professors and other students that comes with being an athlete

1500 is not "the stats" for an Ivy without top EC's. He likely got in because he's an athlete - too bad it sounds like it's not appreciated.

there are 1500 score kids going to schools the level of W&M, Bucknell and Northeastern. Yawn

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:test optional does not exist for athletes in any T25

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I'm pretty confident Duke basketball players aren't expected to score a 1350. Or football players at Michigan or Notre Dame.

For the D1 T25 schools that choose to field competitive teams in basketball and football, there will be some flexibility. But it's a balance. It's a small group of athletes in basketball and football that can handle the classwork at Duke, Vanderbilt, Stanford, Northwestern, Notre Dame, USC, Rice, Berkeley, and Michigan. And all those schools are competing for the same limited pool of academically competent athletes. There is a lot of money involved in these sports.

But it is sport dependent. Harvard always has a good hockey team. And those hockey players will have a different academic threshold than a regular applicant. They are not all scoring 1350 and above. But they do need to demonstrate they are not going to flunk out.

These are the revenue and prestige sports. So those applicants are in a different pile. But I can guarantee that the middle distance runners at T25 schools are all scoring above the 95 percentile on standardized tests.

lol is this a joke? the basketball and football recruits at duke, michigan, sc are ahem not that academically inclined to put it lightly

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:test optional does not exist for athletes in any T25

closed thread

I'm pretty confident Duke basketball players aren't expected to score a 1350. Or football players at Michigan or Notre Dame.

For the D1 T25 schools that choose to field competitive teams in basketball and football, there will be some flexibility. But it's a balance. It's a small group of athletes in basketball and football that can handle the classwork at Duke, Vanderbilt, Stanford, Northwestern, Notre Dame, USC, Rice, Berkeley, and Michigan. And all those schools are competing for the same limited pool of academically competent athletes. There is a lot of money involved in these sports.

But it is sport dependent. Harvard always has a good hockey team. And those hockey players will have a different academic threshold than a regular applicant. They are not all scoring 1350 and above. But they do need to demonstrate they are not going to flunk out.

These are the revenue and prestige sports. So those applicants are in a different pile. But I can guarantee that the middle distance runners at T25 schools are all scoring above the 95 percentile on standardized tests.

lol is this a joke? the basketball and football recruits at duke, michigan, sc are ahem not that academically inclined to put it lightly

same for stanford. if you are a star football recruit, the standards are embarrassingly low

[Anonymous]

this thread is infuriating- why do these colleges even have sports - just takes seats away from the kids who deserve them and allows the 6’4” private school doof a path to dartmouth - so unfair for the kids who actually deserve admittance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:test optional does not exist for athletes in any T25

closed thread

I'm pretty confident Duke basketball players aren't expected to score a 1350. Or football players at Michigan or Notre Dame.

For the D1 T25 schools that choose to field competitive teams in basketball and football, there will be some flexibility. But it's a balance. It's a small group of athletes in basketball and football that can handle the classwork at Duke, Vanderbilt, Stanford, Northwestern, Notre Dame, USC, Rice, Berkeley, and Michigan. And all those schools are competing for the same limited pool of academically competent athletes. There is a lot of money involved in these sports.

But it is sport dependent. Harvard always has a good hockey team. And those hockey players will have a different academic threshold than a regular applicant. They are not all scoring 1350 and above. But they do need to demonstrate they are not going to flunk out.

These are the revenue and prestige sports. So those applicants are in a different pile. But I can guarantee that the middle distance runners at T25 schools are all scoring above the 95 percentile on standardized tests.

lol is this a joke? the basketball and football recruits at duke, michigan, sc are ahem not that academically inclined to put it lightly

same for stanford. if you are a star football recruit, the standards are embarrassingly low

Not for UMD. If you go there to play a sport, you better be ready to play school, too. 'Student-athlete' is not an oxymoron to them.

[Anonymous]

I have a junior and we are just starting the recruiting process for baseball. He's looking at a couple of Ivies and highly selective SLACs, and coaches at TO schools are saying that they expect potential recruits to submit test scores for pre-reads.