Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data

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Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?


Because they are still giving racial preferences. Will likely be added to any future lawsuit in addition to Yale and other schools whose diversity numbers didn’t drop.


Northwestern and other elite schools removed race checkbox from the official application and can't see the demographics of the class as decisions are being made. I'm not sure what lawsuit would prevail here.

You don't win civil rights lawsuits by simply pointing at numbers and "there are too many blacks getting in!" is not a real legal argument.

In response to SFFA, elite universities made the admissions more holistic and difficult to decipher. I also think a lot of people underestimated the efficacy of race-neutral alternatives.


Yes, and smart / qualified URMs that highly selective colleges want didn't drop off the face of the earth.


There just weren't as many as we were led to believe.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:^^^My DC is there now (just started) and saying most of the kids aren’t super sociable-mainly hanging in their rooms. DC quieter also but I think would like to meet people. Looking into clubs and such-is there any party scene on campus? DC not a big boozer but would like something to do and socialize. Thanks in advance!!


It’s pretty early on. They just started on Tuesday right? Did they have any orientation stuff going on all week? We visited on Monday and the campus seemed buzzing.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?


Because they are still giving racial preferences. Will likely be added to any future lawsuit in addition to Yale and other schools whose diversity numbers didn’t drop.


Northwestern and other elite schools removed race checkbox from the official application and can't see the demographics of the class as decisions are being made. I'm not sure what lawsuit would prevail here.

You don't win civil rights lawsuits by simply pointing at numbers and "there are too many blacks getting in!" is not a real legal argument.

In response to SFFA, elite universities made the admissions more holistic and difficult to decipher. I also think a lot of people underestimated the efficacy of race-neutral alternatives.


Yes, and smart / qualified URMs that highly selective colleges want didn't drop off the face of the earth.


There just weren't as many as we were led to believe.


The numbers are still very much intact. Just not easily identifiable anymore. The top URMs are still getting the slots at the top schools. Just shifting from one school to another , especially those that have good recruiting strategies to identify URMs upfront. Questbridge and such orgs aren't going away.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:^^^My DC is there now (just started) and saying most of the kids aren’t super sociable-mainly hanging in their rooms. DC quieter also but I think would like to meet people. Looking into clubs and such-is there any party scene on campus? DC not a big boozer but would like something to do and socialize. Thanks in advance!!


What dorm? Some are more social than others. Definitely look into clubs, try and meet people in class, keep dorm room open so people can stop in. It might take some time if your kid is on the quiet side and if isn’t in a social dorm. But there are plenty of social kids there and most eventually find their people.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:^^^My DC is there now (just started) and saying most of the kids aren’t super sociable-mainly hanging in their rooms. DC quieter also but I think would like to meet people. Looking into clubs and such-is there any party scene on campus? DC not a big boozer but would like something to do and socialize. Thanks in advance!!


Which dorm is your kid in? Mine is also a freshman and has done a bunch of social things thru the residence college. Mine also joined a club sport so is meeting some people there. Definitely encourage looking into clubs. Did your kid meet any of the other freshman at the alumni picnic? If so maybe text them and see if they want to get together? (My kid met at least two other kids that she’s been texting with, so if your kid is one of those, I’m sure my kid would be happy to meet up for something social!)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:until it is test required and names plus race removed during application evaluation, it isn't truly meritocratic.

Of course it is. You just can't accept that others define merit differently.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:^^^My DC is there now (just started) and saying most of the kids aren’t super sociable-mainly hanging in their rooms. DC quieter also but I think would like to meet people. Looking into clubs and such-is there any party scene on campus? DC not a big boozer but would like something to do and socialize. Thanks in advance!!


Clubs and social gatherings should pick up in the next couple of weeks/months. We visited NU in November last year and the campus was bustling with a flurry of activity. Seemed like a lot happening.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?


Because they are still giving racial preferences. Will likely be added to any future lawsuit in addition to Yale and other schools whose diversity numbers didn’t drop.


Northwestern and other elite schools removed race checkbox from the official application and can't see the demographics of the class as decisions are being made. I'm not sure what lawsuit would prevail here.

You don't win civil rights lawsuits by simply pointing at numbers and "there are too many blacks getting in!" is not a real legal argument.

In response to SFFA, elite universities made the admissions more holistic and difficult to decipher. I also think a lot of people underestimated the efficacy of race-neutral alternatives.


Yes, and smart / qualified URMs that highly selective colleges want didn't drop off the face of the earth.


There just weren't as many as we were led to believe.


The numbers are still very much intact. Just not easily identifiable anymore. The top URMs are still getting the slots at the top schools. Just shifting from one school to another , especially those that have good recruiting strategies to identify URMs upfront. Questbridge and such orgs aren't going away.


This is why the lawsuits will continue.
They're not supposed to be implementing strategies to "identify" URMs for admissions.
The fact that you have to say top URM mean that you understand that if the URMs are compared to the general population, far fewer of them look competitive.

When you say they aren't easily identifiable what you are saying is that many of them need people to know their race to be impressed by them. Why are your standards so low for members of some races?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:until it is test required and names plus race removed during application evaluation, it isn't truly meritocratic.

Of course it is. You just can't accept that others define merit differently.


There is a pretty well accepted definition of merit.
It doesn't include skin color or family wealth.
It usually includes objective criteria.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?


Because they are still giving racial preferences. Will likely be added to any future lawsuit in addition to Yale and other schools whose diversity numbers didn’t drop.


Northwestern and other elite schools removed race checkbox from the official application and can't see the demographics of the class as decisions are being made. I'm not sure what lawsuit would prevail here.

You don't win civil rights lawsuits by simply pointing at numbers and "there are too many blacks getting in!" is not a real legal argument.

In response to SFFA, elite universities made the admissions more holistic and difficult to decipher. I also think a lot of people underestimated the efficacy of race-neutral alternatives.


Yes, and smart / qualified URMs that highly selective colleges want didn't drop off the face of the earth.


There just weren't as many as we were led to believe.


The numbers are still very much intact. Just not easily identifiable anymore. The top URMs are still getting the slots at the top schools. Just shifting from one school to another , especially those that have good recruiting strategies to identify URMs upfront. Questbridge and such orgs aren't going away.


This is why the lawsuits will continue.
They're not supposed to be implementing strategies to "identify" URMs for admissions.
The fact that you have to say top URM mean that you understand that if the URMs are compared to the general population, far fewer of them look competitive.

When you say they aren't easily identifiable what you are saying is that many of them need people to know their race to be impressed by them. Why are your standards so low for members of some races?

DP. SFFA does not preclude seeking to market the university specifically to URMs.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:URMs with good SAT score and high GPA are being noticed by Northwestern.


I don't know if this changed at all this year, but I've noticed that it tends to be a school that attracts UMC AAs from our area.


UMC AAs are URMs too. 🙂



UMC African-descend immigrants from Africa and Caribbean. These are not really Americanized AA. They are children of very rich black people, with different home culture and intact families
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:until it is test required and names plus race removed during application evaluation, it isn't truly meritocratic.

Of course it is. You just can't accept that others define merit differently.


There is a pretty well accepted definition of merit.
It doesn't include skin color or family wealth.
It usually includes objective criteria.


Wrong. Wholistic is the opposite of objective and most schools prefer wholistic. They want the actor with dyslexia, and the artist who isn't great at math, and the writer with ADHD, and the high SAT future physics professor, and, and, and, etc, etc. etc.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Wow, really impressive Native American numbers there!



Northwestern appears to have exceptional native American support and programs based on their admitted student day and freshman orientation.

Their land acknowledgement statements are very interesting and the best I have heard having toured many universities. Most schools have this weird, prayer like, groveling apology confession given by some white person in a suit. They are performative, insincere, cult like and just plain strange.

Northwestern's statement is given by a staff member who is an actual native first nation descendant, given as an historical presentation with joy and reverence. It is both forward thinking and respectful of the past, and not something focused on atonement by of blame of young adults who had zero part in what happened in this country centuries ago. It is really inspiring and I applaud NU for taking this approach.

If the Northwestern's land acknowledgement statement is any indication of how they approach support for native students, it is not surprising that their native American numbers are quite higher than average.

One thing to consider, being located in the midwest, MANY families that appear to be white have native American heritage, just 2 or 3 generations back. Commercial DNA tests make it easier to find this connection. I suspect that a portion of that percentage is midwest students who appear to be white from physical appearance, but have a grandparent or great grandparent who is half or quarter native American.

On the note of the racial breakdowns, the class of 2028 appeared to be very mixed race, as most kids are now in the US. Watching the class of 2028 parade through campus at orientation, I would estimate the class is only around 45% white with the next biggest group being mixed race.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:They handled the protests horribly.

Also accepted $1B from Qatar


Their antisemitism training of incoming freshmen (class of 2028) has been very strong.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:No mention of Asian American students. Weird


Based on freshman orientation, asians and white are around 45-50% of the school population, with mixed race being the next group.

I posted earlier about the 2028 student orientation appearing 45% white. It should have said white or asian.
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