Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Class of 2028: "Black or African American at 15.4%, Hispanic or Latinx/e at 17.5%, Native or Indigenous at 2.4%" https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2024/september/introducing-the-northwestern-class-of-2028/

For comparison, class of 2027: Black or African American 14.2%, Hispanic 17.2%, Native American 2%
https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2023/09/wildcat-welcome-ends-with-new-student-convocation/

Pell recipients increased from 20% for class of 2027 to 22% for class of 2028.

I think these numbers were reported earlier on the 19th. They were scraped from their website.

[Anonymous]

That's a significant improvement from when I went there. It was a huge scandal when I was a student there that the Freshman class only had 80 black students. It also came out when I was a student there that well more than half the students came from families with household incomes over 200k/year. And remember, this was 20 years ago.

I don't regret going there; they gave me a significant grant. But it was the case that people just expected you to get money from your parents and didn't understand those of us who needed to work jobs during school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?

Because they are still giving racial preferences. Will likely be added to any future lawsuit in addition to Yale and other schools whose diversity numbers didn’t drop.

There’s no standing for this argument. No, increasing the amount of students on financial aid isn’t illegal. They do not even have access to the race of students, so this is a ridiculous assertion that is fueled by people who can’t fathom that there are qualified students of color.

I’m not questioning anyone’s qualifications, but you are ignoring reality to push your agenda. Let’s assume for the sake of argument that all racial groups in the applicant pool are equally qualified. And that race is not itself a qualification. The only way to go from 5% or less of the applicant pool to 15% of the student body is by taking race into account. You might be okay with that, but I don’t see how you can claim this doesn’t happen without taking race into account.
Just because the school doesn’t see a race box does not mean they don’t know a student’s race. Kids put things like black student union or Hispanic scholar on their application. And then there are the essays (which were purposefully revamped after the Court’s decision) asking about identity and community. Then add in some last names that are give aways. And there you have it. Schools look at all of these and they do take them into account. I’m not looking to get into whether that’s appropriate or not. But it’s undeniable that it is happening still.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?

Because they are still giving racial preferences. Will likely be added to any future lawsuit in addition to Yale and other schools whose diversity numbers didn’t drop.

There’s no standing for this argument. No, increasing the amount of students on financial aid isn’t illegal. They do not even have access to the race of students, so this is a ridiculous assertion that is fueled by people who can’t fathom that there are qualified students of color.

I’m not questioning anyone’s qualifications, but you are ignoring reality to push your agenda. Let’s assume for the sake of argument that all racial groups in the applicant pool are equally qualified. And that race is not itself a qualification. The only way to go from 5% or less of the applicant pool to 15% of the student body is by taking race into account. You might be okay with that, but I don’t see how you can claim this doesn’t happen without taking race into account.
Just because the school doesn’t see a race box does not mean they don’t know a student’s race. Kids put things like black student union or Hispanic scholar on their application. And then there are the essays (which were purposefully revamped after the Court’s decision) asking about identity and community. Then add in some last names that are give aways. And there you have it. Schools look at all of these and they do take them into account. I’m not looking to get into whether that’s appropriate or not. But it’s undeniable that it is happening still.

This is not specific to NU applies to all other schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?

Because they are still giving racial preferences. Will likely be added to any future lawsuit in addition to Yale and other schools whose diversity numbers didn’t drop.

There’s no standing for this argument. No, increasing the amount of students on financial aid isn’t illegal. They do not even have access to the race of students, so this is a ridiculous assertion that is fueled by people who can’t fathom that there are qualified students of color.

I’m not questioning anyone’s qualifications, but you are ignoring reality to push your agenda. Let’s assume for the sake of argument that all racial groups in the applicant pool are equally qualified. And that race is not itself a qualification. The only way to go from 5% or less of the applicant pool to 15% of the student body is by taking race into account. You might be okay with that, but I don’t see how you can claim this doesn’t happen without taking race into account.
Just because the school doesn’t see a race box does not mean they don’t know a student’s race. Kids put things like black student union or Hispanic scholar on their application. And then there are the essays (which were purposefully revamped after the Court’s decision) asking about identity and community. Then add in some last names that are give aways. And there you have it. Schools look at all of these and they do take them into account. I’m not looking to get into whether that’s appropriate or not. But it’s undeniable that it is happening still.

This is not specific to NU applies to all other schools.

Absolutely

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They handled the protests horribly.

Also accepted $1B from Qatar

Wait, I thought they handled the protests well. Which one is it

It was awful. Encampments for months. Disrupting kids to class, exams.

Um, didn't Northwestern get praise for being like the ONLY elite school that was actually able to broker a deal with the protesters?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They handled the protests horribly.

Also accepted $1B from Qatar

Wait, I thought they handled the protests well. Which one is it

It was awful. Encampments for months. Disrupting kids to class, exams.

Um, didn't Northwestern get praise for being like the ONLY elite school that was actually able to broker a deal with the protesters?

Do you have a Jewish kid there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?

Because they are still giving racial preferences. Will likely be added to any future lawsuit in addition to Yale and other schools whose diversity numbers didn’t drop.

Northwestern and other elite schools removed race checkbox from the official application and can't see the demographics of the class as decisions are being made. I'm not sure what lawsuit would prevail here.

You don't win civil rights lawsuits by simply pointing at numbers and "there are too many blacks getting in!" is not a real legal argument.

In response to SFFA, elite universities made the admissions more holistic and difficult to decipher. I also think a lot of people underestimated the efficacy of race-neutral alternatives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:URMs with good SAT score and high GPA are being noticed by Northwestern.

I don't know if this changed at all this year, but I've noticed that it tends to be a school that attracts UMC AAs from our area.

UMC AAs are URMs too. 🙂

What is your point exactly?

[Anonymous]

No mention of Asian American students. Weird

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:URMs with good SAT score and high GPA are being noticed by Northwestern.

I don't know if this changed at all this year, but I've noticed that it tends to be a school that attracts UMC AAs from our area.

UMC AAs are URMs too. 🙂

What is your point exactly?

Hmm...that despite some ignorant peoples' notion that URMs have to be destitute to be worthy of admission to top schools, URMs of all economic strata are desirable for elite college admissions. Yes, that includes UMC African immigrant children of doctors and lawyers too.

Got it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:URMs with good SAT score and high GPA are being noticed by Northwestern.

I don't know if this changed at all this year, but I've noticed that it tends to be a school that attracts UMC AAs from our area.

Our midwestern private too, seems popular with Black UMC students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?

Because they are still giving racial preferences. Will likely be added to any future lawsuit in addition to Yale and other schools whose diversity numbers didn’t drop.

Northwestern and other elite schools removed race checkbox from the official application and can't see the demographics of the class as decisions are being made. I'm not sure what lawsuit would prevail here.

You don't win civil rights lawsuits by simply pointing at numbers and "there are too many blacks getting in!" is not a real legal argument.

In response to SFFA, elite universities made the admissions more holistic and difficult to decipher. I also think a lot of people underestimated the efficacy of race-neutral alternatives.

Statistical analysis was a large part of the SFFA lawsuit. They pointed at a bunch of numbers and said there is discrimination going on. At least some of the justices found the apparent discrimination against asians persuasive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:URMs with good SAT score and high GPA are being noticed by Northwestern.

I don't know if this changed at all this year, but I've noticed that it tends to be a school that attracts UMC AAs from our area.

UMC AAs are URMs too. 🙂

What is your point exactly?

Hmm...that despite some ignorant peoples' notion that URMs have to be destitute to be worthy of admission to top schools, URMs of all economic strata are desirable for elite college admissions. Yes, that includes UMC African immigrant children of doctors and lawyers too.

Got it?

Not really. We're talking about racial preferences. What does an UMC african kid provide that warrants giving them a racial preference?

[Anonymous]

In striking down the Harvard admissions process on Fourteenth Amendment grounds, SCOTUS said nothing about discrimination.