Handmaid’s Tale season 4

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Anonymous wrote:JANINE!!!

So worried for her, though. Hard to see how she will be able to escape now.

I was really thrown by all of the people cheering for the Waterfords after Fred’s outburst during June’s testimony. Surprised that they would receive any support in Canada, even from the Christian sect.

Someone used the word deplorable at the beginning of the episode. They were making a point about our current Trump psychos choosing fascism and authoritarianism, cheering for it.

Omg that is exactly what I thought! The last time I thought I can’t believe these people are doing this was when I saw all the Trump supporters are still cheering for him after last for years, election, January 6. Same ass feeling.

+1. And I found it very disturbing.

+2. Same and the feeling has stayed with me.

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This is not how exchanges work! Prisoners get exchanged for other prisoners. People seeking asylum and children are not exchanged for war criminals.

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Way too many close ups and long holds on June’s face. Twice I thought my internet froze! And we never got to see Fred and Serena’s reactions to her testimony or her husband’s - just June, June and more June.

Then at the end I saw Elisabeth Moss directed it.

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Anonymous wrote:Way too many close ups and long holds on June’s face. Twice I thought my internet froze! And we never got to see Fred and Serena’s reactions to her testimony or her husband’s - just June, June and more June.

Then at the end I saw Elisabeth Moss directed it.

Ha!

It’s like they read a review that her face is expressive and now think we just want to stare at her squinting her eyes and slightly shaking her face in anger ALL THE TIME. I must say I am glad they are being consistent within June’s personality post Gilead and not making her forgiving or merciful. F Moira for wanting handmaids to deal with the pain and hurt but not be angry. I would kill the commander if I were in June’s shoes so I was glad they all wanted revenge. Women are always expected to forgive and be merciful and it really bothers me.

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Anonymous wrote:Way too many close ups and long holds on June’s face. Twice I thought my internet froze! And we never got to see Fred and Serena’s reactions to her testimony or her husband’s - just June, June and more June.

Then at the end I saw Elisabeth Moss directed it.

Ha!

It’s like they read a review that her face is expressive and now think we just want to stare at her squinting her eyes and slightly shaking her face in anger ALL THE TIME. I must say I am glad they are being consistent within June’s personality post Gilead and not making her forgiving or merciful. F Moira for wanting handmaids to deal with the pain and hurt but not be angry. I would kill the commander if I were in June’s shoes so I was glad they all wanted revenge. Women are always expected to forgive and be merciful and it really bothers me.

I agree to a point. I’d be angry as hell and actively plotting murder. But where June crossed a line for me is when she said “There you go” or something like that to Emily. Like anger is the only and correct response. Like anyone who isn’t pursuing vengeance is somehow wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not how exchanges work! Prisoners get exchanged for other prisoners. People seeking asylum and children are not exchanged for war criminals.

If Tuello is CIA or something like that, I’m sure he could pull off some shady deal.

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Anonymous wrote:Way too many close ups and long holds on June’s face. Twice I thought my internet froze! And we never got to see Fred and Serena’s reactions to her testimony or her husband’s - just June, June and more June.

Then at the end I saw Elisabeth Moss directed it.

Ha!

It’s like they read a review that her face is expressive and now think we just want to stare at her squinting her eyes and slightly shaking her face in anger ALL THE TIME. I must say I am glad they are being consistent within June’s personality post Gilead and not making her forgiving or merciful. F Moira for wanting handmaids to deal with the pain and hurt but not be angry. I would kill the commander if I were in June’s shoes so I was glad they all wanted revenge. Women are always expected to forgive and be merciful and it really bothers me.

I agree to a point. I’d be angry as hell and actively plotting murder. But where June crossed a line for me is when she said “There you go” or something like that to Emily. Like anger is the only and correct response. Like anyone who isn’t pursuing vengeance is somehow wrong.

That's simply where June is in her trauma processing right now (as Moira said, a bumpy effing road). One thing I love about this show is that she is an imperfect heroine.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not how exchanges work! Prisoners get exchanged for other prisoners. People seeking asylum and children are not exchanged for war criminals.

who cares how it works in real life? do we have hand maidens? no? Oh that's right, it is a dystopian FICTION.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not how exchanges work! Prisoners get exchanged for other prisoners. People seeking asylum and children are not exchanged for war criminals.

who cares how it works in real life? do we have hand maidens? no? Oh that's right, it is a dystopian FICTION.

Tue, but the fact that Atwood has always emphasized that everything in the book had happened somewhere before and that the series itself has very much clung to reality in terms of the legal procedures for asylum, arresting Fred (he had to be on foreign soil), using UN/ICC structure, etc. would make something like this exchange really nonsensical.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not how exchanges work! Prisoners get exchanged for other prisoners. People seeking asylum and children are not exchanged for war criminals.

who cares how it works in real life? do we have hand maidens? no? Oh that's right, it is a dystopian FICTION.

Tue, but the fact that Atwood has always emphasized that everything in the book had happened somewhere before and that the series itself has very much clung to reality in terms of the legal procedures for asylum, arresting Fred (he had to be on foreign soil), using UN/ICC structure, etc. would make something like this exchange really nonsensical.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m convinced June’s relationship with Luke is doomed. I’m not sure when or how, but she’s going to wind up with Nick.

Nah, I think Nick's a goner sooner or later.

Agree. He will die saving, or trying to save, Hannah.

I think he'll be part of an attempted exchange of Hannah for Fred, but something will go wrong. I believe Serena is protected for now due to her pregnancy--on humanitarian grounds don't think they'd send a pregnant woman back even if she deserves it.

But she’s asking to go back, right?

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Anonymous wrote:This is not how exchanges work! Prisoners get exchanged for other prisoners. People seeking asylum and children are not exchanged for war criminals.

who cares how it works in real life? do we have hand maidens? no? Oh that's right, it is a dystopian FICTION.

Tue, but the fact that Atwood has always emphasized that everything in the book had happened somewhere before and that the series itself has very much clung to reality in terms of the legal procedures for asylum, arresting Fred (he had to be on foreign soil), using UN/ICC structure, etc. would make something like this exchange really nonsensical.

Listen, if we can print out fake IDs for international border checks, we can work out a prisoner exchange.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m convinced June’s relationship with Luke is doomed. I’m not sure when or how, but she’s going to wind up with Nick.

Nah, I think Nick's a goner sooner or later.

Agree. He will die saving, or trying to save, Hannah.

I think he'll be part of an attempted exchange of Hannah for Fred, but something will go wrong. I believe Serena is protected for now due to her pregnancy--on humanitarian grounds don't think they'd send a pregnant woman back even if she deserves it.

But why would Canada even consider a Hannah exchange? Fred had a hand in mass atrocities. Canada isn’t going to do something that foolish just because June wants it.

Because by all accounts June is the most valuable intelligence asset they've had?

Fred is the most valuable intelligence asset they have - he just hasn't talked yet.

And he won't. The only way he lives after a return to Gilead is if he doesn't talk.

I’m not sure I get what valuable intelligence he has. Only the US is at war with Gilead.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m convinced June’s relationship with Luke is doomed. I’m not sure when or how, but she’s going to wind up with Nick.

Nah, I think Nick's a goner sooner or later.

Agree. He will die saving, or trying to save, Hannah.

I think he'll be part of an attempted exchange of Hannah for Fred, but something will go wrong. I believe Serena is protected for now due to her pregnancy--on humanitarian grounds don't think they'd send a pregnant woman back even if she deserves it.

But she’s asking to go back, right?

No, she's afraid she'll be made a handmaid for betraying her husband and Gilead.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not how exchanges work! Prisoners get exchanged for other prisoners. People seeking asylum and children are not exchanged for war criminals.

who cares how it works in real life? do we have hand maidens? no? Oh that's right, it is a dystopian FICTION.

Tue, but the fact that Atwood has always emphasized that everything in the book had happened somewhere before and that the series itself has very much clung to reality in terms of the legal procedures for asylum, arresting Fred (he had to be on foreign soil), using UN/ICC structure, etc. would make something like this exchange really nonsensical.

This isn't the book. That statement from Atwood is now completely moot.