APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?

[Anonymous]

Above is one of the reasons why I am so disgusted with the Key teacher. She should know better.

[Anonymous]

Good gawwwd...it’s a possible move to the ATS site that will be voted on by a left leaning school board in a sysytem led by a woman of color .... what is the big deal?

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Anonymous wrote:There are some very good questions being asked in those AEM posts, I’ll be interested to see if the McKinley people have responses.

Seems they are unable to respond when confronted with their data errors.

Seriously, there are some deafening crickets in response to the number-crunching posts.

And apparently only care about their low income population. No response to the question about the low income population who live near key but don’t attend the school and how this will impact them.


Just bitching about “why are choice programs always the ones getting the short end of the stick”

Also no response on what their proposal would do to Barrett.

Oh wait now we are going back to attacking the people asking reasonable questions! Good times! I for one can’t wait until we have a presidential election and boundary change process at the same time. I’m already stocking up on wine and popcorn for that one.

Huh? People asking about Barrett and non-Key low-income families are asking very reasonable questions - and the Key advocates refuse to provide any responses other than insinuations that one population is expendable for another, or you need to read all of our posts more closely because what we've been saying is of greater importance than any concerns of anyone else, or you're anti-immersion and racist, or on and on. Yet WE'RE the ones who are attacking????? Quite evident what side you fall on.

Relax I was talking about how Key lady was going off on the people asking questions. I’m on your side

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Anonymous wrote:Just whoever is organizing a protest and or speeches at the SB meeting, please leave the kids out of this. March all you want. Make signs, whatever. But it’s beyond selfish and cruel to expose the kids to this. They don’t need to know anything about it unless it actually happens. Parents and teachers, please put your students first and set the tone that they are resilient, that they will be okay no matter what, that you will make it okay for them. Don’t bring them up to the podium to cry that they’re going to lose all their friends (which may not be true anyway). Please. It’s not right.

PLEASE someone put this on AEM. As a teacher, I'm not going to post over there, but I have wanted to shout this from the rooftops. If parents are acting like this is the end of the world, how are their kids supposed to feel about anything happening? Any parent who brings a child to the meeting is doing them such a disservice. We are supposed to help them navigate change and help them grow, not make them feel like victims or manipulate them for our own selfish desires.

THIS!!! We saw this last year with Drew too (both Abingdon and PH/Fleet parents were doing it) how are the kids that do end up at Drew going to have any idea of pride in their new school when they see it as the “bad” school when all their friends got to go to the “good” school

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Anonymous wrote:In other words, you have no support for your school funding criticism. Got it.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/851543.page

You’re welcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Above is one of the reasons why I am so disgusted with the Key teacher. She should know better.

It is disgusting. Unfortunately rather then being called out on her poor behavior- she is getting accolades from former Key administrators with them talking about how proud they are of her.
The Key folks have entirely lost all sense of perspective- they view this as an existential threat and our treating it as such. THey don't view any tactic as beneath them- whether its manipulating the low income folk they are purportedly arguing for- altering objective facts, etc.
Here is the real threat- they have not managed to convince their low income Hispanic community that immersion is 'worth it'. They are not interested in actual solutions to hypothetical problems- e.g. busing kids to extended day at Key- because they deeply fear that if given the choice between staying at the Key neighborhood building, vs going somewhere else- many of those families are going to choose Key neighborhood. Not because they can't make going to the ATS site with accommodations work -because they don't want to- they just don't care that much about attending an immersion school. The more 'friendly' the Key neighborhood school is to them (e.g. bilingual office workers etc.) the less likely those families are to follow immersion. So the Key boosters (beyond those who just personally don't want to move) are desperate to block the move and not think about solutions.
Many of them think that the low-income hispanic community is better off in immersion (and full disclosure- I agree with them). But I also think they have freedom of choice- and their choices need to be respected.

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Anonymous wrote:Above is one of the reasons why I am so disgusted with the Key teacher. She should know better.

It is disgusting. Unfortunately rather then being called out on her poor behavior- she is getting accolades from former Key administrators with them talking about how proud they are of her.
The Key folks have entirely lost all sense of perspective- they view this as an existential threat and our treating it as such. THey don't view any tactic as beneath them- whether its manipulating the low income folk they are purportedly arguing for- altering objective facts, etc.
Here is the real threat- they have not managed to convince their low income Hispanic community that immersion is 'worth it'. They are not interested in actual solutions to hypothetical problems- e.g. busing kids to extended day at Key- because they deeply fear that if given the choice between staying at the Key neighborhood building, vs going somewhere else- many of those families are going to choose Key neighborhood. Not because they can't make going to the ATS site with accommodations work -because they don't want to- they just don't care that much about attending an immersion school. The more 'friendly' the Key neighborhood school is to them (e.g. bilingual office workers etc.) the less likely those families are to follow immersion. So the Key boosters (beyond those who just personally don't want to move) are desperate to block the move and not think about solutions.
Many of them think that the low-income hispanic community is better off in immersion (and full disclosure- I agree with them). But I also think they have freedom of choice- and their choices need to be respected.

100% correct take.

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Anonymous wrote:Above is one of the reasons why I am so disgusted with the Key teacher. She should know better.

It is disgusting. Unfortunately rather then being called out on her poor behavior- she is getting accolades from former Key administrators with them talking about how proud they are of her.
The Key folks have entirely lost all sense of perspective- they view this as an existential threat and our treating it as such. THey don't view any tactic as beneath them- whether its manipulating the low income folk they are purportedly arguing for- altering objective facts, etc.
Here is the real threat- they have not managed to convince their low income Hispanic community that immersion is 'worth it'. They are not interested in actual solutions to hypothetical problems- e.g. busing kids to extended day at Key- because they deeply fear that if given the choice between staying at the Key neighborhood building, vs going somewhere else- many of those families are going to choose Key neighborhood. Not because they can't make going to the ATS site with accommodations work -because they don't want to- they just don't care that much about attending an immersion school. The more 'friendly' the Key neighborhood school is to them (e.g. bilingual office workers etc.) the less likely those families are to follow immersion. So the Key boosters (beyond those who just personally don't want to move) are desperate to block the move and not think about solutions.
Many of them think that the low-income hispanic community is better off in immersion (and full disclosure- I agree with them). But I also think they have freedom of choice- and their choices need to be respected.

It doesn’t help when Key boosters use language like “catastrophic” to describe the effect of the move on Key families. Meanwhile, they seem unwilling to acknowledge the fact that there are Spanish speaking students who opted out of Key and are fine being bused elsewhere.

It reminds me of the famous video footage of the weatherman who looks like he can barely stand in hurricane winds while there are a couple of people casually strolling along behind him. It’s all for show.

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Anonymous wrote:Above is one of the reasons why I am so disgusted with the Key teacher. She should know better.

It is disgusting. Unfortunately rather then being called out on her poor behavior- she is getting accolades from former Key administrators with them talking about how proud they are of her.
The Key folks have entirely lost all sense of perspective- they view this as an existential threat and our treating it as such. THey don't view any tactic as beneath them- whether its manipulating the low income folk they are purportedly arguing for- altering objective facts, etc.
Here is the real threat- they have not managed to convince their low income Hispanic community that immersion is 'worth it'. They are not interested in actual solutions to hypothetical problems- e.g. busing kids to extended day at Key- because they deeply fear that if given the choice between staying at the Key neighborhood building, vs going somewhere else- many of those families are going to choose Key neighborhood. Not because they can't make going to the ATS site with accommodations work -because they don't want to- they just don't care that much about attending an immersion school. The more 'friendly' the Key neighborhood school is to them (e.g. bilingual office workers etc.) the less likely those families are to follow immersion. So the Key boosters (beyond those who just personally don't want to move) are desperate to block the move and not think about solutions.
Many of them think that the low-income hispanic community is better off in immersion (and full disclosure- I agree with them). But I also think they have freedom of choice- and their choices need to be respected.

I am also hearing from key parents who were at Key in winter /spring 2018 when the first hints of school moves started that Key administration prior to 2017/when neighborhood preference was eliminated weren’t differentiating the true English learners from students of Latino ethnic households/backgrounds who lived in English speaking homes when tracking and documenting the school population. And that they are still counting kids from these homes where English is the dominant language as part of their Spanish speaking population.

I saw the Key teacher post that she and others have to
canvas various public places (Glebe Market) to get enrollees for the Spanish speaking seats. This is because the housing development they keep mentioning as super impacted by move has its own staff and help to get those who want to enroll immersion in. County staff is in affordable developments weekly, they have afac there weekly, with mentor programs, skills workshops ect. The fact that they keep claiming these folks will be most negatively impacted is a load of crap. It would be Residents who are Spanish speaking who don’t live in a development with this programming who are most impacted and harder to reach and also less likely to live in what is generally a more expensive area than that around the ATS site. Moving to the ATS site will put them in a community with more Spanish speaking residents or closer to these residents who live outside of our few large affordable housing apt buildings. And that likely the only area of true growth left for Spanish immersion.

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Anonymous wrote:Above is one of the reasons why I am so disgusted with the Key teacher. She should know better.

It is disgusting. Unfortunately rather then being called out on her poor behavior- she is getting accolades from former Key administrators with them talking about how proud they are of her.
The Key folks have entirely lost all sense of perspective- they view this as an existential threat and our treating it as such. THey don't view any tactic as beneath them- whether its manipulating the low income folk they are purportedly arguing for- altering objective facts, etc.
Here is the real threat- they have not managed to convince their low income Hispanic community that immersion is 'worth it'. They are not interested in actual solutions to hypothetical problems- e.g. busing kids to extended day at Key- because they deeply fear that if given the choice between staying at the Key neighborhood building, vs going somewhere else- many of those families are going to choose Key neighborhood. Not because they can't make going to the ATS site with accommodations work -because they don't want to- they just don't care that much about attending an immersion school. The more 'friendly' the Key neighborhood school is to them (e.g. bilingual office workers etc.) the less likely those families are to follow immersion. So the Key boosters (beyond those who just personally don't want to move) are desperate to block the move and not think about solutions.
Many of them think that the low-income hispanic community is better off in immersion (and full disclosure- I agree with them). But I also think they have freedom of choice- and their choices need to be respected.

100% correct take.

+200

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Above is one of the reasons why I am so disgusted with the Key teacher. She should know better.

It is disgusting. Unfortunately rather then being called out on her poor behavior- she is getting accolades from former Key administrators with them talking about how proud they are of her.
The Key folks have entirely lost all sense of perspective- they view this as an existential threat and our treating it as such. THey don't view any tactic as beneath them- whether its manipulating the low income folk they are purportedly arguing for- altering objective facts, etc.
Here is the real threat- they have not managed to convince their low income Hispanic community that immersion is 'worth it'. They are not interested in actual solutions to hypothetical problems- e.g. busing kids to extended day at Key- because they deeply fear that if given the choice between staying at the Key neighborhood building, vs going somewhere else- many of those families are going to choose Key neighborhood. Not because they can't make going to the ATS site with accommodations work -because they don't want to- they just don't care that much about attending an immersion school. The more 'friendly' the Key neighborhood school is to them (e.g. bilingual office workers etc.) the less likely those families are to follow immersion. So the Key boosters (beyond those who just personally don't want to move) are desperate to block the move and not think about solutions.
Many of them think that the low-income hispanic community is better off in immersion (and full disclosure- I agree with them). But I also think they have freedom of choice- and their choices need to be respected.

I lost a lot of respect for MM when I saw that.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some very good questions being asked in those AEM posts, I’ll be interested to see if the McKinley people have responses.

Seems they are unable to respond when confronted with their data errors.

I’m pretty disappointed in their (lack of) substantive response. They’ve supposedly spent over a month on this, yet it took mere hours for people to identify a host of fundamental flaws that they have no answer for. Did they actually sanity check this before sharing, or did they see it get the result they wanted and just ignore all other considerations?

Great question. Guess we will see if/when they ever respond.

Still nothing....

I'd imagine they are embarrassed now over their earlier hubris.

[Anonymous]

I can't even with the Anjy guy. Someone pointed out an error in when ATS starts (and I'm not sure that it even matters because Key could probably keep it's start time if necessary for the population) and he's equating 35 minutes to an hour. Dude, let that argument go.

I want to be supportive of the minority population of Key, but those loud voices make it harder and harder.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't even with the Anjy guy. Someone pointed out an error in when ATS starts (and I'm not sure that it even matters because Key could probably keep it's start time if necessary for the population) and he's equating 35 minutes to an hour. Dude, let that argument go.

I want to be supportive of the minority population of Key, but those loud voices make it harder and harder.

Why on earth do they keep posting about the ATS start time? It doesn't matter.

They are loud and stupid. Not a good combination.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't even with the Anjy guy. Someone pointed out an error in when ATS starts (and I'm not sure that it even matters because Key could probably keep it's start time if necessary for the population) and he's equating 35 minutes to an hour. Dude, let that argument go.

I want to be supportive of the minority population of Key, but those loud voices make it harder and harder.

I think they are making it very clear with the way they are conspicuously NOT addressing questions about low income kids who go to the neighborhood school that they are acting out of pure self interest and it's not really about the poor downtrodden Hispanic population.