APS elementary planning initiative called off

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of the Cherrydale families were bullied but the Clarendon/Courthouse/Rosslyn/Lyon Village folks sure are reaping what they sowed when the declared Kirkwood was too dangerous to cross but are now claiming the Rosslyn folks must attend ASFS because they have to walk from the metro. My map says the quickest walking route from Clarendon metro to ASFS is .6 miles and VA Square is .8 miles. Both routes either cross or walk along Kirkwood. So, by their own logic, Rosslyn families should not be zoned to ASFS and be forced to risk their lives crossing Kirkwood to get to Extended Day.

First of all it was the county that said Kirkwood was too busy to cross. Secondly, the quickest route is Art 55 and parents would take the bus and walk 0.3 miles.

Second, you are conflating street crossing for solo children (the walk zone) versus parents pickup up kids. Do you think 5th graders are taking metro on their own in APS.

At the end of the day, for Rosslyn the closest neighborhood school with the most direct traffic is ASFS — that’s why the parents are defending it, b/c LB and Taylor require mixing with arterial roads during rush hours.

Looks like Clarendon/Courhouse can walk with a parent just fine to Long Branch. It's less than a mile as depicted by this map. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/ES_LongBranch_WZ_Policy_Final.pdf

You can even take the off-street trail so you don't have to cross any busy roads. Looks like a fine solution to me, and fixes the loudest part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of the Cherrydale families were bullied but the Clarendon/Courthouse/Rosslyn/Lyon Village folks sure are reaping what they sowed when the declared Kirkwood was too dangerous to cross but are now claiming the Rosslyn folks must attend ASFS because they have to walk from the metro. My map says the quickest walking route from Clarendon metro to ASFS is .6 miles and VA Square is .8 miles. Both routes either cross or walk along Kirkwood. So, by their own logic, Rosslyn families should not be zoned to ASFS and be forced to risk their lives crossing Kirkwood to get to Extended Day.

First of all it was the county that said Kirkwood was too busy to cross. Secondly, the quickest route is Art 55 and parents would take the bus and walk 0.3 miles.

Second, you are conflating street crossing for solo children (the walk zone) versus parents pickup up kids. Do you think 5th graders are taking metro on their own in APS.

At the end of the day, for Rosslyn the closest neighborhood school with the most direct traffic is ASFS — that’s why the parents are defending it, b/c LB and Taylor require mixing with arterial roads during rush hours.

Looks like Clarendon/Courhouse can walk with a parent just fine to Long Branch. It's less than a mile as depicted by this map. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/ES_LongBranch_WZ_Policy_Final.pdf

You can even take the off-street trail so you don't have to cross any busy roads. Looks like a fine solution to me, and fixes the loudest part of the problem.

What off street trail bypasses wash blvd from Courthouse/Clarendon?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of the Cherrydale families were bullied but the Clarendon/Courthouse/Rosslyn/Lyon Village folks sure are reaping what they sowed when the declared Kirkwood was too dangerous to cross but are now claiming the Rosslyn folks must attend ASFS because they have to walk from the metro. My map says the quickest walking route from Clarendon metro to ASFS is .6 miles and VA Square is .8 miles. Both routes either cross or walk along Kirkwood. So, by their own logic, Rosslyn families should not be zoned to ASFS and be forced to risk their lives crossing Kirkwood to get to Extended Day.

First of all it was the county that said Kirkwood was too busy to cross. Secondly, the quickest route is Art 55 and parents would take the bus and walk 0.3 miles.

Second, you are conflating street crossing for solo children (the walk zone) versus parents pickup up kids. Do you think 5th graders are taking metro on their own in APS.

At the end of the day, for Rosslyn the closest neighborhood school with the most direct traffic is ASFS — that’s why the parents are defending it, b/c LB and Taylor require mixing with arterial roads during rush hours.

I had 4 kids at ASFS for 16 consecutive years, most of which included them in morning and afternoon extended day. Not once did I hear about or see a family taking a bus up or down Lee Highway to bring their kids to extended day or pick them up from extended day. And the only parents I ever saw doing this via metro were those of us who live in ASFS’s immediate neighborhood who took the metro to work. I did see lots of cars and every once in awhile a taxi. Not saying it didn’t happen on a rare occasion but no way was this a regular thing done by families.

I think it’s pretty clear that the reasons are that people hate change and that no one wants to schlep up to Taylor.

Yeah it would likely be the longest bus ride in the county, and even families with cars will have at least twice as long to drive to ext day — rush hour traffic on Lee is awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of the Cherrydale families were bullied but the Clarendon/Courthouse/Rosslyn/Lyon Village folks sure are reaping what they sowed when the declared Kirkwood was too dangerous to cross but are now claiming the Rosslyn folks must attend ASFS because they have to walk from the metro. My map says the quickest walking route from Clarendon metro to ASFS is .6 miles and VA Square is .8 miles. Both routes either cross or walk along Kirkwood. So, by their own logic, Rosslyn families should not be zoned to ASFS and be forced to risk their lives crossing Kirkwood to get to Extended Day.

First of all it was the county that said Kirkwood was too busy to cross. Secondly, the quickest route is Art 55 and parents would take the bus and walk 0.3 miles.

Second, you are conflating street crossing for solo children (the walk zone) versus parents pickup up kids. Do you think 5th graders are taking metro on their own in APS.

At the end of the day, for Rosslyn the closest neighborhood school with the most direct traffic is ASFS — that’s why the parents are defending it, b/c LB and Taylor require mixing with arterial roads during rush hours.

Looks like Clarendon/Courhouse can walk with a parent just fine to Long Branch. It's less than a mile as depicted by this map. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/ES_LongBranch_WZ_Policy_Final.pdf

You can even take the off-street trail so you don't have to cross any busy roads. Looks like a fine solution to me, and fixes the loudest part of the problem.

What off street trail bypasses wash blvd from Courthouse/Clarendon?

Walking from day Rocky Run would be possible for a parent, but a child can’t cross 10th or Washington Blvd on their own, and there are few crossing lights on either road.

[Anonymous]

I don't know how realistic it is to think much of Rosslyn can go to Long Branch. Oakridge needs to drop some 200 students, and those students have to go to either Hoffman Boston or Long Branch. (arguably some could go to Drew- but with the exception of 48060- the rest of those are in the Oakridge walk zone,.) I think what is the most likely is that a substantial chunk of Oakridge shifts to Hoffman Boston, and a substantial chunk of Henry shifts to Drew.
Henry is projected to be at 840 in 10 years. Just getting the large portion of Henry that needs to go to Fleet to Fleet, and sending some of Hoffman Boston to Fleet, to make way for 200 Oakridge students, will fill Fleet. I don't see them being able to move really any of Long Branch to Fleet, which means Long Branch can't take any Rosslyn units.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of the Cherrydale families were bullied but the Clarendon/Courthouse/Rosslyn/Lyon Village folks sure are reaping what they sowed when the declared Kirkwood was too dangerous to cross but are now claiming the Rosslyn folks must attend ASFS because they have to walk from the metro. My map says the quickest walking route from Clarendon metro to ASFS is .6 miles and VA Square is .8 miles. Both routes either cross or walk along Kirkwood. So, by their own logic, Rosslyn families should not be zoned to ASFS and be forced to risk their lives crossing Kirkwood to get to Extended Day.

First of all it was the county that said Kirkwood was too busy to cross. Secondly, the quickest route is Art 55 and parents would take the bus and walk 0.3 miles.

Second, you are conflating street crossing for solo children (the walk zone) versus parents pickup up kids. Do you think 5th graders are taking metro on their own in APS.

At the end of the day, for Rosslyn the closest neighborhood school with the most direct traffic is ASFS — that’s why the parents are defending it, b/c LB and Taylor require mixing with arterial roads during rush hours.

Looks like Clarendon/Courhouse can walk with a parent just fine to Long Branch. It's less than a mile as depicted by this map. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/ES_LongBranch_WZ_Policy_Final.pdf

You can even take the off-street trail so you don't have to cross any busy roads. Looks like a fine solution to me, and fixes the loudest part of the problem.

What off street trail bypasses wash blvd from Courthouse/Clarendon?

Walking from day Rocky Run would be possible for a parent, but a child can’t cross 10th or Washington Blvd on their own, and there are few crossing lights on either road.

A child can’t cross Wilson either to go to ASF ... that’s why there is a bus and there will continue to be a bus. It just may go to different schools. Clearly these folks haven’t been through boundary changes before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know how realistic it is to think much of Rosslyn can go to Long Branch. Oakridge needs to drop some 200 students, and those students have to go to either Hoffman Boston or Long Branch. (arguably some could go to Drew- but with the exception of 48060- the rest of those are in the Oakridge walk zone,.) I think what is the most likely is that a substantial chunk of Oakridge shifts to Hoffman Boston, and a substantial chunk of Henry shifts to Drew.
Henry is projected to be at 840 in 10 years. Just getting the large portion of Henry that needs to go to Fleet to Fleet, and sending some of Hoffman Boston to Fleet, to make way for 200 Oakridge students, will fill Fleet. I don't see them being able to move really any of Long Branch to Fleet, which means Long Branch can't take any Rosslyn units.

+1 They really need to take some away from Long Branch anyway (likely the planning units south of 50 that are in the Fleet walk zone). Long Branch is on a tiny lot so it doesn't have as much flexibility to add trailers as other ES's in the area do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of the Cherrydale families were bullied but the Clarendon/Courthouse/Rosslyn/Lyon Village folks sure are reaping what they sowed when the declared Kirkwood was too dangerous to cross but are now claiming the Rosslyn folks must attend ASFS because they have to walk from the metro. My map says the quickest walking route from Clarendon metro to ASFS is .6 miles and VA Square is .8 miles. Both routes either cross or walk along Kirkwood. So, by their own logic, Rosslyn families should not be zoned to ASFS and be forced to risk their lives crossing Kirkwood to get to Extended Day.

First of all it was the county that said Kirkwood was too busy to cross. Secondly, the quickest route is Art 55 and parents would take the bus and walk 0.3 miles.

Second, you are conflating street crossing for solo children (the walk zone) versus parents pickup up kids. Do you think 5th graders are taking metro on their own in APS.

At the end of the day, for Rosslyn the closest neighborhood school with the most direct traffic is ASFS — that’s why the parents are defending it, b/c LB and Taylor require mixing with arterial roads during rush hours.

Looks like Clarendon/Courhouse can walk with a parent just fine to Long Branch. It's less than a mile as depicted by this map. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/ES_LongBranch_WZ_Policy_Final.pdf

You can even take the off-street trail so you don't have to cross any busy roads. Looks like a fine solution to me, and fixes the loudest part of the problem.

What off street trail bypasses wash blvd from Courthouse/Clarendon?

Walking from day Rocky Run would be possible for a parent, but a child can’t cross 10th or Washington Blvd on their own, and there are few crossing lights on either road.

A child can’t cross Wilson either to go to ASF ... that’s why there is a bus and there will continue to be a bus. It just may go to different schools. Clearly these folks haven’t been through boundary changes before.

But they have. They were all involved in the MS boundary process. That's where they learned that the uglier and the louder they got the more like APS would be to cave to their self-serving demands. Let's hope that decision is revisited again soon.

[Anonymous]

Can we just stop talking about asfs? It’s obvious you guys all hate each other and I feel very bad for anyone who has to go to your school. I hope they just rezone all of you somewhere else just so you all stfu.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of the Cherrydale families were bullied but the Clarendon/Courthouse/Rosslyn/Lyon Village folks sure are reaping what they sowed when the declared Kirkwood was too dangerous to cross but are now claiming the Rosslyn folks must attend ASFS because they have to walk from the metro. My map says the quickest walking route from Clarendon metro to ASFS is .6 miles and VA Square is .8 miles. Both routes either cross or walk along Kirkwood. So, by their own logic, Rosslyn families should not be zoned to ASFS and be forced to risk their lives crossing Kirkwood to get to Extended Day.

First of all it was the county that said Kirkwood was too busy to cross. Secondly, the quickest route is Art 55 and parents would take the bus and walk 0.3 miles.

Second, you are conflating street crossing for solo children (the walk zone) versus parents pickup up kids. Do you think 5th graders are taking metro on their own in APS.

At the end of the day, for Rosslyn the closest neighborhood school with the most direct traffic is ASFS — that’s why the parents are defending it, b/c LB and Taylor require mixing with arterial roads during rush hours.

Looks like Clarendon/Courhouse can walk with a parent just fine to Long Branch. It's less than a mile as depicted by this map. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/ES_LongBranch_WZ_Policy_Final.pdf

You can even take the off-street trail so you don't have to cross any busy roads. Looks like a fine solution to me, and fixes the loudest part of the problem.

What off street trail bypasses wash blvd from Courthouse/Clarendon?

Walking from day Rocky Run would be possible for a parent, but a child can’t cross 10th or Washington Blvd on their own, and there are few crossing lights on either road.

A child can’t cross Wilson either to go to ASF ... that’s why there is a bus and there will continue to be a bus. It just may go to different schools. Clearly these folks haven’t been through boundary changes before.

But they have. They were all involved in the MS boundary process. That's where they learned that the uglier and the louder they got the more like APS would be to cave to their self-serving demands. Let's hope that decision is revisited again soon.

Aps caved to everyone for ms boundaries. Glebe parents especially.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of the Cherrydale families were bullied but the Clarendon/Courthouse/Rosslyn/Lyon Village folks sure are reaping what they sowed when the declared Kirkwood was too dangerous to cross but are now claiming the Rosslyn folks must attend ASFS because they have to walk from the metro. My map says the quickest walking route from Clarendon metro to ASFS is .6 miles and VA Square is .8 miles. Both routes either cross or walk along Kirkwood. So, by their own logic, Rosslyn families should not be zoned to ASFS and be forced to risk their lives crossing Kirkwood to get to Extended Day.

First of all it was the county that said Kirkwood was too busy to cross. Secondly, the quickest route is Art 55 and parents would take the bus and walk 0.3 miles.

Second, you are conflating street crossing for solo children (the walk zone) versus parents pickup up kids. Do you think 5th graders are taking metro on their own in APS.

At the end of the day, for Rosslyn the closest neighborhood school with the most direct traffic is ASFS — that’s why the parents are defending it, b/c LB and Taylor require mixing with arterial roads during rush hours.

Looks like Clarendon/Courhouse can walk with a parent just fine to Long Branch. It's less than a mile as depicted by this map. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/ES_LongBranch_WZ_Policy_Final.pdf

You can even take the off-street trail so you don't have to cross any busy roads. Looks like a fine solution to me, and fixes the loudest part of the problem.

What off street trail bypasses wash blvd from Courthouse/Clarendon?

Walking from day Rocky Run would be possible for a parent, but a child can’t cross 10th or Washington Blvd on their own, and there are few crossing lights on either road.

A child can’t cross Wilson either to go to ASF ... that’s why there is a bus and there will continue to be a bus. It just may go to different schools. Clearly these folks haven’t been through boundary changes before.

We have been through changes but usually it’s dictated by professionals on the school board staff, not the loudest parents with matching T-shirts.

Subjecting kids to bus rides that take twice as long than any current Taylor student just bc a bunch of parents complained loudly is hardly fair nor how most boundary processes go. Generally in re zoning people on the edge simply go the school across the boundary which is not any further. Rosslyn to Taylor is creating a long thin peninsula like Ashlawn.

Definitely the MS boundary showed that if parents complain loud enough or cry at school board meetings they can sway the board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of the Cherrydale families were bullied but the Clarendon/Courthouse/Rosslyn/Lyon Village folks sure are reaping what they sowed when the declared Kirkwood was too dangerous to cross but are now claiming the Rosslyn folks must attend ASFS because they have to walk from the metro. My map says the quickest walking route from Clarendon metro to ASFS is .6 miles and VA Square is .8 miles. Both routes either cross or walk along Kirkwood. So, by their own logic, Rosslyn families should not be zoned to ASFS and be forced to risk their lives crossing Kirkwood to get to Extended Day.

First of all it was the county that said Kirkwood was too busy to cross. Secondly, the quickest route is Art 55 and parents would take the bus and walk 0.3 miles.

Second, you are conflating street crossing for solo children (the walk zone) versus parents pickup up kids. Do you think 5th graders are taking metro on their own in APS.

At the end of the day, for Rosslyn the closest neighborhood school with the most direct traffic is ASFS — that’s why the parents are defending it, b/c LB and Taylor require mixing with arterial roads during rush hours.

Looks like Clarendon/Courhouse can walk with a parent just fine to Long Branch. It's less than a mile as depicted by this map. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/ES_LongBranch_WZ_Policy_Final.pdf

You can even take the off-street trail so you don't have to cross any busy roads. Looks like a fine solution to me, and fixes the loudest part of the problem.

What off street trail bypasses wash blvd from Courthouse/Clarendon?

Walking from day Rocky Run would be possible for a parent, but a child can’t cross 10th or Washington Blvd on their own, and there are few crossing lights on either road.

A child can’t cross Wilson either to go to ASF ... that’s why there is a bus and there will continue to be a bus. It just may go to different schools. Clearly these folks haven’t been through boundary changes before.

We have been through changes but usually it’s dictated by professionals on the school board staff, not the loudest parents with matching T-shirts.

Subjecting kids to bus rides that take twice as long than any current Taylor student just bc a bunch of parents complained loudly is hardly fair nor how most boundary processes go. Generally in re zoning people on the edge simply go the school across the boundary which is not any further. Rosslyn to Taylor is creating a long thin peninsula like Ashlawn.

Definitely the MS boundary showed that if parents complain loud enough or cry at school board meetings they can sway the board.

clearly Rosslyn to Taylor is not a good boundary and would create a long thin pennisula. Similarly if ASFS is going to reach Rosslyn, but also absorb neighborhood units it is going to be a long think Pennisula.
If Key remains a option school, and Reed opens as a neighborhood school, expect long thin pennisula boundaries throughout the north side of the county. There are going to be 1000 students in the Key boundary by 2027- they must go somewhere.

[Anonymous]

You mean the ASFS boundary? There is no Key boundary anymore.

[Anonymous]

There are plenty of things to disagree about.  Basic math is not one of them.  According to the most recent projections Oakridge will be 133 students over capacity next year, not 200.  Fleet is going to open with 752 new neighborhood seats.  It doesn't matter how you play the shell game with neighborhood and option seats at Drew and Henry.  Montessori is moving out of Drew to Henry, but every Montessori student moved to Henry opens up a neighborhood seat at Drew.  The indisputable fact is that there will be 752 new permanent neighborhood seats opened in 2019 between route 50 and 395.  Montessori is moving to Henry which will be expanded to 500 seats after the building refresh next summer, and the program will be grown.  There isn't enough overage in the SE quadrant now to fill all those seats.  There is an undeniable lack of neighborhood seats in Rosslyn.  How will they be filled?  That doesn't require a rocket scientist to figure out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of things to disagree about.  Basic math is not one of them.  According to the most recent projections Oakridge will be 133 students over capacity next year, not 200.  Fleet is going to open with 752 new neighborhood seats.  It doesn't matter how you play the shell game with neighborhood and option seats at Drew and Henry.  Montessori is moving out of Drew to Henry, but every Montessori student moved to Henry opens up a neighborhood seat at Drew.  The indisputable fact is that there will be 752 new permanent neighborhood seats opened in 2019 between route 50 and 395.  Montessori is moving to Henry which will be expanded to 500 seats after the building refresh next summer, and the program will be grown.  There isn't enough overage in the SE quadrant now to fill all those seats.  There is an undeniable lack of neighborhood seats in Rosslyn.  How will they be filled?  That doesn't require a rocket scientist to figure out.

Probably by making Key a non immersion neighborhood school.