War with Iran Part II

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JD Vance: "I think this comes from a legitimate misunderstanding. I think the Iranians thought the ceasefire included Lebanon, and it just didn't. We never made that promise, we never indicated that was gonna be the case."

Lebanon was literally in the 10 point plan that the US agreed to. It is hard to understand if they are stupid, if they think we are stupid, if that are just that callous, or all of the above.

The US isn't bombing Lebanon. Israel is. Seems to me that Iran needs to be prosecuting a deal with Israel.

Just so we are clear: you are saying we should leave Israel high and dry?

Israel has repeatedly tried to sabotage any effort at peace. How many times have they assasinated negotiators in the midst of negotiations? 3 or 4?

They knew what the terms were and willfully violated them. Their continued blood lust is harming us. They're more instransigent and expansionist than Iran is. Let that sink in.

Do you have a better idea?

+1 Israel and Netanyahu specifically continue to benefit politically from this war while no one else does. If they can’t agree to stop bombing they are the problem.

Trump and his sons are benefiting Bigly. The way he has manipulated the market and nobody is calling it out is disgraceful. Barron played the polymarkets and reportedly got 11 figures betting and trading on the war. Don Jr and Erik were in the Middle East trying to sell their drones and weapons from their new defense company. While negotiating on behalf of the USA, Jared was as trying to get the Saudi and Emiratis to invest another 6 billion dollars in his firm. So the Trumps are definitely winning in this war, at least financially.

Corruption has always gone on though. Wasn’t Bush’s younger brother Marvin in charge of security at the WTC and Dulles airport? His other brother was governor of the state thst conveniently needed a “recount”? Wasn’t Hillary on the board for Walmart? Wikileaks revealed Citibank was emailing the Obama campaign names of cabinet picks in sept 2008 after the downfall and all the banks picks were chosen by Obama as his economic advisors. Michelle was on the board of a hospital and that’s why the ACA passed because hospitals were going bankrupt with cost of the uninsured. They all were from Wall Street.

Politicians are not highly paid in Washington for the work required (campaigning, traveling long distance, dual residence, staffing) so they look for donors or ways to strengthen their bottom line

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JD Vance: "I think this comes from a legitimate misunderstanding. I think the Iranians thought the ceasefire included Lebanon, and it just didn't. We never made that promise, we never indicated that was gonna be the case."

Lebanon was literally in the 10 point plan that the US agreed to. It is hard to understand if they are stupid, if they think we are stupid, if that are just that callous, or all of the above.

The US isn't bombing Lebanon. Israel is. Seems to me that Iran needs to be prosecuting a deal with Israel.

Just so we are clear: you are saying we should leave Israel high and dry?

Israel has repeatedly tried to sabotage any effort at peace. How many times have they assasinated negotiators in the midst of negotiations? 3 or 4?

They knew what the terms were and willfully violated them. Their continued blood lust is harming us. They're more instransigent and expansionist than Iran is. Let that sink in.

Do you have a better idea?

+1 Israel and Netanyahu specifically continue to benefit politically from this war while no one else does. If they can’t agree to stop bombing they are the problem.

Trump and his sons are benefiting Bigly. The way he has manipulated the market and nobody is calling it out is disgraceful. Barron played the polymarkets and reportedly got 11 figures betting and trading on the war. Don Jr and Erik were in the Middle East trying to sell their drones and weapons from their new defense company. While negotiating on behalf of the USA, Jared was as trying to get the Saudi and Emiratis to invest another 6 billion dollars in his firm. So the Trumps are definitely winning in this war, at least financially.

Corruption has always gone on though. Wasn’t Bush’s younger brother Marvin in charge of security at the WTC and Dulles airport? His other brother was governor of the state thst conveniently needed a “recount”? Wasn’t Hillary on the board for Walmart? Wikileaks revealed Citibank was emailing the Obama campaign names of cabinet picks in sept 2008 after the downfall and all the banks picks were chosen by Obama as his economic advisors. Michelle was on the board of a hospital and that’s why the ACA passed because hospitals were going bankrupt with cost of the uninsured. They all were from Wall Street.

Politicians are not highly paid in Washington for the work required (campaigning, traveling long distance, dual residence, staffing) so they look for donors or ways to strengthen their bottom line

How does Hillary serving on the board of Walmart (based in arkansas where she practice law for 20 years) have ANYTHING to do with any of the illegal crap the Trump family and the administration is doing or the shady self dealing from the Bush's. It is NOT the same. And what Trump is doing is everything they falsely put on Hunter Biden.

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JD Vance: "I think this comes from a legitimate misunderstanding. I think the Iranians thought the ceasefire included Lebanon, and it just didn't. We never made that promise, we never indicated that was gonna be the case."

Lebanon was literally in the 10 point plan that the US agreed to. It is hard to understand if they are stupid, if they think we are stupid, if that are just that callous, or all of the above.

The US isn't bombing Lebanon. Israel is. Seems to me that Iran needs to be prosecuting a deal with Israel.

Just so we are clear: you are saying we should leave Israel high and dry?

Israel has repeatedly tried to sabotage any effort at peace. How many times have they assasinated negotiators in the midst of negotiations? 3 or 4?

They knew what the terms were and willfully violated them. Their continued blood lust is harming us. They're more instransigent and expansionist than Iran is. Let that sink in.

Do you have a better idea?

+1 Israel and Netanyahu specifically continue to benefit politically from this war while no one else does. If they can’t agree to stop bombing they are the problem.

Trump and his sons are benefiting Bigly. The way he has manipulated the market and nobody is calling it out is disgraceful. Barron played the polymarkets and reportedly got 11 figures betting and trading on the war. Don Jr and Erik were in the Middle East trying to sell their drones and weapons from their new defense company. While negotiating on behalf of the USA, Jared was as trying to get the Saudi and Emiratis to invest another 6 billion dollars in his firm. So the Trumps are definitely winning in this war, at least financially.

Corruption has always gone on though. Wasn’t Bush’s younger brother Marvin in charge of security at the WTC and Dulles airport? His other brother was governor of the state thst conveniently needed a “recount”? Wasn’t Hillary on the board for Walmart? Wikileaks revealed Citibank was emailing the Obama campaign names of cabinet picks in sept 2008 after the downfall and all the banks picks were chosen by Obama as his economic advisors. Michelle was on the board of a hospital and that’s why the ACA passed because hospitals were going bankrupt with cost of the uninsured. They all were from Wall Street.

Politicians are not highly paid in Washington for the work required (campaigning, traveling long distance, dual residence, staffing) so they look for donors or ways to strengthen their bottom line

How does Hillary serving on the board of Walmart (based in arkansas where she practice law for 20 years) have ANYTHING to do with any of the illegal crap the Trump family and the administration is doing or the shady self dealing from the Bush's. It is NOT the same. And what Trump is doing is everything they falsely put on Hunter Biden.

End of mom and pop stores. Small business taken over by Walmart and China and now Amazon. Monopolies

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JD Vance: "I think this comes from a legitimate misunderstanding. I think the Iranians thought the ceasefire included Lebanon, and it just didn't. We never made that promise, we never indicated that was gonna be the case."

Lebanon was literally in the 10 point plan that the US agreed to. It is hard to understand if they are stupid, if they think we are stupid, if that are just that callous, or all of the above.

The US isn't bombing Lebanon. Israel is. Seems to me that Iran needs to be prosecuting a deal with Israel.

Just so we are clear: you are saying we should leave Israel high and dry?

Israel has repeatedly tried to sabotage any effort at peace. How many times have they assasinated negotiators in the midst of negotiations? 3 or 4?

They knew what the terms were and willfully violated them. Their continued blood lust is harming us. They're more instransigent and expansionist than Iran is. Let that sink in.

Do you have a better idea?

+1 Israel and Netanyahu specifically continue to benefit politically from this war while no one else does. If they can’t agree to stop bombing they are the problem.

Trump and his sons are benefiting Bigly. The way he has manipulated the market and nobody is calling it out is disgraceful. Barron played the polymarkets and reportedly got 11 figures betting and trading on the war. Don Jr and Erik were in the Middle East trying to sell their drones and weapons from their new defense company. While negotiating on behalf of the USA, Jared was as trying to get the Saudi and Emiratis to invest another 6 billion dollars in his firm. So the Trumps are definitely winning in this war, at least financially.

Corruption has always gone on though. Wasn’t Bush’s younger brother Marvin in charge of security at the WTC and Dulles airport? His other brother was governor of the state thst conveniently needed a “recount”? Wasn’t Hillary on the board for Walmart? Wikileaks revealed Citibank was emailing the Obama campaign names of cabinet picks in sept 2008 after the downfall and all the banks picks were chosen by Obama as his economic advisors. Michelle was on the board of a hospital and that’s why the ACA passed because hospitals were going bankrupt with cost of the uninsured. They all were from Wall Street.

Politicians are not highly paid in Washington for the work required (campaigning, traveling long distance, dual residence, staffing) so they look for donors or ways to strengthen their bottom line

How does Hillary serving on the board of Walmart (based in arkansas where she practice law for 20 years) have ANYTHING to do with any of the illegal crap the Trump family and the administration is doing or the shady self dealing from the Bush's. It is NOT the same. And what Trump is doing is everything they falsely put on Hunter Biden.

It is the same but Trump's is more blatant, crass, self-serving and lucrative.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why Republicans want this war with Iran. There was a perfectly good deal under Obama that constrained Iran's nuclear program and kept the Strait of Hormuz open for everyone. Every war plan and gaming exercise started with the assumption that Iran would seize control of Hormuz and take control of 20 percent of the world's oil and gas. That's rudimentary geopolitics. So why start a war at all when the US already had everything they wanted under Obama - free passage and no nukes for Iran. And now there is zero change Iran is going to give up control of Hormuz and abstain from pursuing nuclear weapons.

So what was the point? The US - and the world - is the huge strategic loser here. Are Republicans just dumbasses? Are Republicans all servile to Israel, which wants chaos in the Middle East? For America's interests, this may be the dumbest war in modern history.

That you actually think Iran wasn't well on its way to developing nuclear weapons - regardless of any "perfectly good deal under Obama" - just shows how naive you are.

Why the hell should Americans care if Iran has a nuclear program? They're not going to launch missiles at Des Moines. And Republicans are perfectly fine with North Korea and Pakistan having nuclear weapons - and importantly the missiles - that can actually do some damage. The Obama agreement would have delayed Iran's capabilities for decades. What Republicans have done has ensured Iran will control the Strait of Hormuz and fast-track their nuclear program. It is the naivete and delusions of Republicans that have made everything much more dangerous. And again, we did this at Israel's behest. Maybe Republicans should spend a minute thinking about America's best interests.

The utter stupidity of this argument.

How so? PP is completely right, especially this: What Republicans have done has ensured Iran will control the Strait of Hormuz and fast-track their nuclear program.

The obvious lessons are 1) the US can't be trusted - we'll bomb you as a negotiation strategy 2) better get nuclear weapons if you want the US not to bomb you.

The irresponsibility and utter stupidity of this last month are shocking.

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JD Vance: "I think this comes from a legitimate misunderstanding. I think the Iranians thought the ceasefire included Lebanon, and it just didn't. We never made that promise, we never indicated that was gonna be the case."

Lebanon was literally in the 10 point plan that the US agreed to. It is hard to understand if they are stupid, if they think we are stupid, if that are just that callous, or all of the above.

The US isn't bombing Lebanon. Israel is. Seems to me that Iran needs to be prosecuting a deal with Israel.

Just so we are clear: you are saying we should leave Israel high and dry?

Israel has repeatedly tried to sabotage any effort at peace. How many times have they assasinated negotiators in the midst of negotiations? 3 or 4?

They knew what the terms were and willfully violated them. Their continued blood lust is harming us. They're more instransigent and expansionist than Iran is. Let that sink in.

Do you have a better idea?

+1 Israel and Netanyahu specifically continue to benefit politically from this war while no one else does. If they can’t agree to stop bombing they are the problem.

Trump and his sons are benefiting Bigly. The way he has manipulated the market and nobody is calling it out is disgraceful. Barron played the polymarkets and reportedly got 11 figures betting and trading on the war. Don Jr and Erik were in the Middle East trying to sell their drones and weapons from their new defense company. While negotiating on behalf of the USA, Jared was as trying to get the Saudi and Emiratis to invest another 6 billion dollars in his firm. So the Trumps are definitely winning in this war, at least financially.

Corruption has always gone on though. Wasn’t Bush’s younger brother Marvin in charge of security at the WTC and Dulles airport? His other brother was governor of the state thst conveniently needed a “recount”? Wasn’t Hillary on the board for Walmart? Wikileaks revealed Citibank was emailing the Obama campaign names of cabinet picks in sept 2008 after the downfall and all the banks picks were chosen by Obama as his economic advisors. Michelle was on the board of a hospital and that’s why the ACA passed because hospitals were going bankrupt with cost of the uninsured. They all were from Wall Street.

Politicians are not highly paid in Washington for the work required (campaigning, traveling long distance, dual residence, staffing) so they look for donors or ways to strengthen their bottom line

your Obama examples are a real stretch of the truth. And even if they were 100% true, there is no comparison. Trump has turned us into Russia.

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JD Vance: "I think this comes from a legitimate misunderstanding. I think the Iranians thought the ceasefire included Lebanon, and it just didn't. We never made that promise, we never indicated that was gonna be the case."

Lebanon was literally in the 10 point plan that the US agreed to. It is hard to understand if they are stupid, if they think we are stupid, if that are just that callous, or all of the above.

The US isn't bombing Lebanon. Israel is. Seems to me that Iran needs to be prosecuting a deal with Israel.

Just so we are clear: you are saying we should leave Israel high and dry?

Israel has repeatedly tried to sabotage any effort at peace. How many times have they assasinated negotiators in the midst of negotiations? 3 or 4?

They knew what the terms were and willfully violated them. Their continued blood lust is harming us. They're more instransigent and expansionist than Iran is. Let that sink in.

Do you have a better idea?

+1 Israel and Netanyahu specifically continue to benefit politically from this war while no one else does. If they can’t agree to stop bombing they are the problem.

Trump and his sons are benefiting Bigly. The way he has manipulated the market and nobody is calling it out is disgraceful. Barron played the polymarkets and reportedly got 11 figures betting and trading on the war. Don Jr and Erik were in the Middle East trying to sell their drones and weapons from their new defense company. While negotiating on behalf of the USA, Jared was as trying to get the Saudi and Emiratis to invest another 6 billion dollars in his firm. So the Trumps are definitely winning in this war, at least financially.

Corruption has always gone on though. Wasn’t Bush’s younger brother Marvin in charge of security at the WTC and Dulles airport? His other brother was governor of the state thst conveniently needed a “recount”? Wasn’t Hillary on the board for Walmart? Wikileaks revealed Citibank was emailing the Obama campaign names of cabinet picks in sept 2008 after the downfall and all the banks picks were chosen by Obama as his economic advisors. Michelle was on the board of a hospital and that’s why the ACA passed because hospitals were going bankrupt with cost of the uninsured. They all were from Wall Street.

Politicians are not highly paid in Washington for the work required (campaigning, traveling long distance, dual residence, staffing) so they look for donors or ways to strengthen their bottom line

your Obama examples are a real stretch of the truth. And even if they were 100% true, there is no comparison. Trump has turned us into Russia.

We are the Roman Empire in decline

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JD Vance: "I think this comes from a legitimate misunderstanding. I think the Iranians thought the ceasefire included Lebanon, and it just didn't. We never made that promise, we never indicated that was gonna be the case."

Lebanon was literally in the 10 point plan that the US agreed to. It is hard to understand if they are stupid, if they think we are stupid, if that are just that callous, or all of the above.

The US isn't bombing Lebanon. Israel is. Seems to me that Iran needs to be prosecuting a deal with Israel.

Just so we are clear: you are saying we should leave Israel high and dry?

Israel has repeatedly tried to sabotage any effort at peace. How many times have they assasinated negotiators in the midst of negotiations? 3 or 4?

They knew what the terms were and willfully violated them. Their continued blood lust is harming us. They're more instransigent and expansionist than Iran is. Let that sink in.

Do you have a better idea?

+1 Israel and Netanyahu specifically continue to benefit politically from this war while no one else does. If they can’t agree to stop bombing they are the problem.

Trump and his sons are benefiting Bigly. The way he has manipulated the market and nobody is calling it out is disgraceful. Barron played the polymarkets and reportedly got 11 figures betting and trading on the war. Don Jr and Erik were in the Middle East trying to sell their drones and weapons from their new defense company. While negotiating on behalf of the USA, Jared was as trying to get the Saudi and Emiratis to invest another 6 billion dollars in his firm. So the Trumps are definitely winning in this war, at least financially.

Corruption has always gone on though. Wasn’t Bush’s younger brother Marvin in charge of security at the WTC and Dulles airport? His other brother was governor of the state thst conveniently needed a “recount”? Wasn’t Hillary on the board for Walmart? Wikileaks revealed Citibank was emailing the Obama campaign names of cabinet picks in sept 2008 after the downfall and all the banks picks were chosen by Obama as his economic advisors. Michelle was on the board of a hospital and that’s why the ACA passed because hospitals were going bankrupt with cost of the uninsured. They all were from Wall Street.

Politicians are not highly paid in Washington for the work required (campaigning, traveling long distance, dual residence, staffing) so they look for donors or ways to strengthen their bottom line

your Obama examples are a real stretch of the truth. And even if they were 100% true, there is no comparison. Trump has turned us into Russia.

We are the Roman Empire in decline

No we were never the Romans. We were a trade empire and we throw it all away for Trump. We run a huge service industry surplus that is now going away.

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Anonymous wrote:So it looks like USA has to put pressure on Israel to stop bombing in order to open the Strait. This should be interesting.
I’m all for it. As long as Bibi is in control, we have to cut off Israel.

If you look at today's war footage from Beirut, it is very clear Israel is continuing with their mayhem. A lot of innocent people died today. But markets are up, so whatever. Maybe I was a little innocent before, but it is shocking how much power Israel has over the US. It's a midget county with no strategic relevance whatsoever, and we are spending billions and billions being their hired help and fighting their dumb wars. But I think Israel has sensed that both Democrats and Republicans have had enough of their crap, so they are going all in while a boomer tool like Trump is still in power. There will be no peace until a new administration cuts them off from all the weapons we send them. Israelis will continue to send it until that happens.

That "midget" country punches *way* above its weight and provides the U.S. with crucial intelligence and power in a complicated region. You can dislike its current government, and even Jews in general if you lean that way, but let's not pretend that nation is irrelevant.

Israel is not strategically relevant. It's not the Cold War era. Israel has an advanced economy and are useful in tech. But so is Romania and a lot of other countries. Israel has no oil. No Rare Earths. It's not a source of grain like Ukraine is. It doesn't control any shipping routes like Iran, and Panama and Egypt and Malaysia. It doesn't have an important semi-conductor facility like Taiwan does. Israel is completely irrelevant in 2026. And so asking why are we spending billions and billions and supporting Israel's belligerence is a very relevant question.

I'm a DP, but the PP is correct that Israel has cutting-edge technology and intelligence that it shares with the U.S. You can hate the country as much as you want, but there's no denying they're a HUGE player in the intelligence and tech community.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why Republicans want this war with Iran. There was a perfectly good deal under Obama that constrained Iran's nuclear program and kept the Strait of Hormuz open for everyone. Every war plan and gaming exercise started with the assumption that Iran would seize control of Hormuz and take control of 20 percent of the world's oil and gas. That's rudimentary geopolitics. So why start a war at all when the US already had everything they wanted under Obama - free passage and no nukes for Iran. And now there is zero change Iran is going to give up control of Hormuz and abstain from pursuing nuclear weapons.

So what was the point? The US - and the world - is the huge strategic loser here. Are Republicans just dumbasses? Are Republicans all servile to Israel, which wants chaos in the Middle East? For America's interests, this may be the dumbest war in modern history.

That you actually think Iran wasn't well on its way to developing nuclear weapons - regardless of any "perfectly good deal under Obama" - just shows how naive you are.

Why the hell should Americans care if Iran has a nuclear program? They're not going to launch missiles at Des Moines. And Republicans are perfectly fine with North Korea and Pakistan having nuclear weapons - and importantly the missiles - that can actually do some damage. The Obama agreement would have delayed Iran's capabilities for decades. What Republicans have done has ensured Iran will control the Strait of Hormuz and fast-track their nuclear program. It is the naivete and delusions of Republicans that have made everything much more dangerous. And again, we did this at Israel's behest. Maybe Republicans should spend a minute thinking about America's best interests.

The utter stupidity of this argument.

Are you going to tell us why Israel can have 100s and Iran can’t development their own?

Not that Iran was doing it under the agreement that a competent administration put together that was torn up by pedo.

DP.

I will.

1. One country is overtly committed to the destruction of the US. The other is not.

2. Once a country has nukes, it is very difficult to take them away (for reasons that are too obvious to mention). By comparison, it’s much more feasible to prevent a country from acquiring nuclear capability in the first place.

DP. No Israel is a genocidal terrorist state. The world must unite and force Israel to give up its nuclear weapons.

Everything the US and Israel are demanding of Iran must be applied to Israel.

Do you also want everyone to have their own pet unicorn?

Some attachment to reality and what’s feasible is advisable.

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Anonymous wrote:So it looks like USA has to put pressure on Israel to stop bombing in order to open the Strait. This should be interesting.
I’m all for it. As long as Bibi is in control, we have to cut off Israel.

If you look at today's war footage from Beirut, it is very clear Israel is continuing with their mayhem. A lot of innocent people died today. But markets are up, so whatever. Maybe I was a little innocent before, but it is shocking how much power Israel has over the US. It's a midget county with no strategic relevance whatsoever, and we are spending billions and billions being their hired help and fighting their dumb wars. But I think Israel has sensed that both Democrats and Republicans have had enough of their crap, so they are going all in while a boomer tool like Trump is still in power. There will be no peace until a new administration cuts them off from all the weapons we send them. Israelis will continue to send it until that happens.

That "midget" country punches *way* above its weight and provides the U.S. with crucial intelligence and power in a complicated region. You can dislike its current government, and even Jews in general if you lean that way, but let's not pretend that nation is irrelevant.

Israel is not strategically relevant. It's not the Cold War era. Israel has an advanced economy and are useful in tech. But so is Romania and a lot of other countries. Israel has no oil. No Rare Earths. It's not a source of grain like Ukraine is. It doesn't control any shipping routes like Iran, and Panama and Egypt and Malaysia. It doesn't have an important semi-conductor facility like Taiwan does. Israel is completely irrelevant in 2026. And so asking why are we spending billions and billions and supporting Israel's belligerence is a very relevant question.

I'm a DP, but the PP is correct that Israel has cutting-edge technology and intelligence that it shares with the U.S. You can hate the country as much as you want, but there's no denying they're a HUGE player in the intelligence and tech community.

They don’t have oil . That’s still the key to global economy not AI and tech

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Countries all over the world have curfews thanks to oil shortages from Hormuz closure. Oil is the lifeblood of the economy not technology. The world existed before Facebook, Meta, Google, Iphones

[Anonymous]

Iran obviously prepared years in advance to make Strait of Hormuz and disrupting global oil markets and supply chain their defense weapon in case of war. It doesn’t seem like Israel or America had any plan at all despite the 40 year desire. The arrogance of expecting the regime to crumble after killing a 80 something year old is remarkable

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Anonymous wrote:So it looks like USA has to put pressure on Israel to stop bombing in order to open the Strait. This should be interesting.
I’m all for it. As long as Bibi is in control, we have to cut off Israel.

If you look at today's war footage from Beirut, it is very clear Israel is continuing with their mayhem. A lot of innocent people died today. But markets are up, so whatever. Maybe I was a little innocent before, but it is shocking how much power Israel has over the US. It's a midget county with no strategic relevance whatsoever, and we are spending billions and billions being their hired help and fighting their dumb wars. But I think Israel has sensed that both Democrats and Republicans have had enough of their crap, so they are going all in while a boomer tool like Trump is still in power. There will be no peace until a new administration cuts them off from all the weapons we send them. Israelis will continue to send it until that happens.

That "midget" country punches *way* above its weight and provides the U.S. with crucial intelligence and power in a complicated region. You can dislike its current government, and even Jews in general if you lean that way, but let's not pretend that nation is irrelevant.

Israel is not strategically relevant. It's not the Cold War era. Israel has an advanced economy and are useful in tech. But so is Romania and a lot of other countries. Israel has no oil. No Rare Earths. It's not a source of grain like Ukraine is. It doesn't control any shipping routes like Iran, and Panama and Egypt and Malaysia. It doesn't have an important semi-conductor facility like Taiwan does. Israel is completely irrelevant in 2026. And so asking why are we spending billions and billions and supporting Israel's belligerence is a very relevant question.

I'm a DP, but the PP is correct that Israel has cutting-edge technology and intelligence that it shares with the U.S. You can hate the country as much as you want, but there's no denying they're a HUGE player in the intelligence and tech community.

Yes their intelligence is superb but they couldn’t figure out when a bunch of people on freaking gliders were going to attack.

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Anonymous wrote:So it looks like USA has to put pressure on Israel to stop bombing in order to open the Strait. This should be interesting.
I’m all for it. As long as Bibi is in control, we have to cut off Israel.

If you look at today's war footage from Beirut, it is very clear Israel is continuing with their mayhem. A lot of innocent people died today. But markets are up, so whatever. Maybe I was a little innocent before, but it is shocking how much power Israel has over the US. It's a midget county with no strategic relevance whatsoever, and we are spending billions and billions being their hired help and fighting their dumb wars. But I think Israel has sensed that both Democrats and Republicans have had enough of their crap, so they are going all in while a boomer tool like Trump is still in power. There will be no peace until a new administration cuts them off from all the weapons we send them. Israelis will continue to send it until that happens.

That "midget" country punches *way* above its weight and provides the U.S. with crucial intelligence and power in a complicated region. You can dislike its current government, and even Jews in general if you lean that way, but let's not pretend that nation is irrelevant.

Israel is not strategically relevant. It's not the Cold War era. Israel has an advanced economy and are useful in tech. But so is Romania and a lot of other countries. Israel has no oil. No Rare Earths. It's not a source of grain like Ukraine is. It doesn't control any shipping routes like Iran, and Panama and Egypt and Malaysia. It doesn't have an important semi-conductor facility like Taiwan does. Israel is completely irrelevant in 2026. And so asking why are we spending billions and billions and supporting Israel's belligerence is a very relevant question.

I'm a DP, but the PP is correct that Israel has cutting-edge technology and intelligence that it shares with the U.S. You can hate the country as much as you want, but there's no denying they're a HUGE player in the intelligence and tech community.

I agree. But the cons of the alliance outweigh the pros 1000 to 1.