War with Iran Part II

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why Republicans want this war with Iran. There was a perfectly good deal under Obama that constrained Iran's nuclear program and kept the Strait of Hormuz open for everyone. Every war plan and gaming exercise started with the assumption that Iran would seize control of Hormuz and take control of 20 percent of the world's oil and gas. That's rudimentary geopolitics. So why start a war at all when the US already had everything they wanted under Obama - free passage and no nukes for Iran. And now there is zero change Iran is going to give up control of Hormuz and abstain from pursuing nuclear weapons.

So what was the point? The US - and the world - is the huge strategic loser here. Are Republicans just dumbasses? Are Republicans all servile to Israel, which wants chaos in the Middle East? For America's interests, this may be the dumbest war in modern history.

That you actually think Iran wasn't well on its way to developing nuclear weapons - regardless of any "perfectly good deal under Obama" - just shows how naive you are.

Why the hell should Americans care if Iran has a nuclear program? They're not going to launch missiles at Des Moines. And Republicans are perfectly fine with North Korea and Pakistan having nuclear weapons - and importantly the missiles - that can actually do some damage. The Obama agreement would have delayed Iran's capabilities for decades. What Republicans have done has ensured Iran will control the Strait of Hormuz and fast-track their nuclear program. It is the naivete and delusions of Republicans that have made everything much more dangerous. And again, we did this at Israel's behest. Maybe Republicans should spend a minute thinking about America's best interests.

The utter stupidity of this argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why Republicans want this war with Iran. There was a perfectly good deal under Obama that constrained Iran's nuclear program and kept the Strait of Hormuz open for everyone. Every war plan and gaming exercise started with the assumption that Iran would seize control of Hormuz and take control of 20 percent of the world's oil and gas. That's rudimentary geopolitics. So why start a war at all when the US already had everything they wanted under Obama - free passage and no nukes for Iran. And now there is zero change Iran is going to give up control of Hormuz and abstain from pursuing nuclear weapons.

So what was the point? The US - and the world - is the huge strategic loser here. Are Republicans just dumbasses? Are Republicans all servile to Israel, which wants chaos in the Middle East? For America's interests, this may be the dumbest war in modern history.

That you actually think Iran wasn't well on its way to developing nuclear weapons - regardless of any "perfectly good deal under Obama" - just shows how naive you are.

Why the hell should Americans care if Iran has a nuclear program? They're not going to launch missiles at Des Moines. And Republicans are perfectly fine with North Korea and Pakistan having nuclear weapons - and importantly the missiles - that can actually do some damage. The Obama agreement would have delayed Iran's capabilities for decades. What Republicans have done has ensured Iran will control the Strait of Hormuz and fast-track their nuclear program. It is the naivete and delusions of Republicans that have made everything much more dangerous. And again, we did this at Israel's behest. Maybe Republicans should spend a minute thinking about America's best interests.

The utter stupidity of this argument.

Only if you see everything as Bibi see things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Iran had admitted they enrich uranium and wants to continue to do so which is against the ageeement. This is a good agreement in that ic Iran doesn't follow the rules all countries are allowed and encouraged to bomb them until they do .

Furthermore Israel can do whatever they want to the terrorists in Lebanon or syria thats a separate matter.

Nope Israel now has to seek approval of Iran before bombing or invading Lebanon or Syria. There is no agreement on Iran enrichment of uranium. Sorry you are in living in la La Land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Iran had admitted they enrich uranium and wants to continue to do so which is against the ageeement. This is a good agreement in that ic Iran doesn't follow the rules all countries are allowed and encouraged to bomb them until they do .

Furthermore Israel can do whatever they want to the terrorists in Lebanon or syria thats a separate matter.

The Christian "terrorists" in residential neighborhoods in Beirut? They assasinated the leader of the most anti-Hezbollah political party in Lebanon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump and Vance trying to strong arm the Pope right now because they’re thinking 8-10 years out and the Pope can disrupt it all.

Wow, if this is true, just add it to the long list of Trump mafioso thuggery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why Republicans want this war with Iran. There was a perfectly good deal under Obama that constrained Iran's nuclear program and kept the Strait of Hormuz open for everyone. Every war plan and gaming exercise started with the assumption that Iran would seize control of Hormuz and take control of 20 percent of the world's oil and gas. That's rudimentary geopolitics. So why start a war at all when the US already had everything they wanted under Obama - free passage and no nukes for Iran. And now there is zero change Iran is going to give up control of Hormuz and abstain from pursuing nuclear weapons.

So what was the point? The US - and the world - is the huge strategic loser here. Are Republicans just dumbasses? Are Republicans all servile to Israel, which wants chaos in the Middle East? For America's interests, this may be the dumbest war in modern history.

That you actually think Iran wasn't well on its way to developing nuclear weapons - regardless of any "perfectly good deal under Obama" - just shows how naive you are.

Why the hell should Americans care if Iran has a nuclear program? They're not going to launch missiles at Des Moines. And Republicans are perfectly fine with North Korea and Pakistan having nuclear weapons - and importantly the missiles - that can actually do some damage. The Obama agreement would have delayed Iran's capabilities for decades. What Republicans have done has ensured Iran will control the Strait of Hormuz and fast-track their nuclear program. It is the naivete and delusions of Republicans that have made everything much more dangerous. And again, we did this at Israel's behest. Maybe Republicans should spend a minute thinking about America's best interests.

The utter stupidity of this argument.

Are you going to tell us why Israel can have 100s and Iran can’t development their own?

Not that Iran was doing it under the agreement that a competent administration put together that was torn up by pedo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why Republicans want this war with Iran. There was a perfectly good deal under Obama that constrained Iran's nuclear program and kept the Strait of Hormuz open for everyone. Every war plan and gaming exercise started with the assumption that Iran would seize control of Hormuz and take control of 20 percent of the world's oil and gas. That's rudimentary geopolitics. So why start a war at all when the US already had everything they wanted under Obama - free passage and no nukes for Iran. And now there is zero change Iran is going to give up control of Hormuz and abstain from pursuing nuclear weapons.

So what was the point? The US - and the world - is the huge strategic loser here. Are Republicans just dumbasses? Are Republicans all servile to Israel, which wants chaos in the Middle East? For America's interests, this may be the dumbest war in modern history.

That you actually think Iran wasn't well on its way to developing nuclear weapons - regardless of any "perfectly good deal under Obama" - just shows how naive you are.

Why the hell should Americans care if Iran has a nuclear program? They're not going to launch missiles at Des Moines. And Republicans are perfectly fine with North Korea and Pakistan having nuclear weapons - and importantly the missiles - that can actually do some damage. The Obama agreement would have delayed Iran's capabilities for decades. What Republicans have done has ensured Iran will control the Strait of Hormuz and fast-track their nuclear program. It is the naivete and delusions of Republicans that have made everything much more dangerous. And again, we did this at Israel's behest. Maybe Republicans should spend a minute thinking about America's best interests.

The utter stupidity of this argument.

Are you going to tell us why Israel can have 100s and Iran can’t development their own?

Not that Iran was doing it under the agreement that a competent administration put together that was torn up by pedo.

DP.

I will.

1. One country is overtly committed to the destruction of the US. The other is not.

2. Once a country has nukes, it is very difficult to take them away (for reasons that are too obvious to mention). By comparison, it’s much more feasible to prevent a country from acquiring nuclear capability in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why Republicans want this war with Iran. There was a perfectly good deal under Obama that constrained Iran's nuclear program and kept the Strait of Hormuz open for everyone. Every war plan and gaming exercise started with the assumption that Iran would seize control of Hormuz and take control of 20 percent of the world's oil and gas. That's rudimentary geopolitics. So why start a war at all when the US already had everything they wanted under Obama - free passage and no nukes for Iran. And now there is zero change Iran is going to give up control of Hormuz and abstain from pursuing nuclear weapons.

So what was the point? The US - and the world - is the huge strategic loser here. Are Republicans just dumbasses? Are Republicans all servile to Israel, which wants chaos in the Middle East? For America's interests, this may be the dumbest war in modern history.

That you actually think Iran wasn't well on its way to developing nuclear weapons - regardless of any "perfectly good deal under Obama" - just shows how naive you are.

Why the hell should Americans care if Iran has a nuclear program? They're not going to launch missiles at Des Moines. And Republicans are perfectly fine with North Korea and Pakistan having nuclear weapons - and importantly the missiles - that can actually do some damage. The Obama agreement would have delayed Iran's capabilities for decades. What Republicans have done has ensured Iran will control the Strait of Hormuz and fast-track their nuclear program. It is the naivete and delusions of Republicans that have made everything much more dangerous. And again, we did this at Israel's behest. Maybe Republicans should spend a minute thinking about America's best interests.

The utter stupidity of this argument.

Are you going to tell us why Israel can have 100s and Iran can’t development their own?

Not that Iran was doing it under the agreement that a competent administration put together that was torn up by pedo.

DP.

I will.

1. One country is overtly committed to the destruction of the US. The other is not.

2. Once a country has nukes, it is very difficult to take them away (for reasons that are too obvious to mention). By comparison, it’s much more feasible to prevent a country from acquiring nuclear capability in the first place.

DP. No Israel is a genocidal terrorist state. The world must unite and force Israel to give up its nuclear weapons.

Everything the US and Israel are demanding of Iran must be applied to Israel.

[Anonymous]

There are so many posters living in Jan 2026. This is April 2026. Everything has changed. The majority of the Iranian’s 10 points are facts in the ground. The only way to change this is by armed invasion.

Iran is not going to give up the straits and the US can not afford to stay in the region. The US has no reason to keep the bases.

The Iranians will use passage through the strait to break US sanctions. India and many other countries are at the mercy of Iran.

People are misunderstanding the Iranians 10 points. These are not demands. These are what is going to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why Republicans want this war with Iran. There was a perfectly good deal under Obama that constrained Iran's nuclear program and kept the Strait of Hormuz open for everyone. Every war plan and gaming exercise started with the assumption that Iran would seize control of Hormuz and take control of 20 percent of the world's oil and gas. That's rudimentary geopolitics. So why start a war at all when the US already had everything they wanted under Obama - free passage and no nukes for Iran. And now there is zero change Iran is going to give up control of Hormuz and abstain from pursuing nuclear weapons.

So what was the point? The US - and the world - is the huge strategic loser here. Are Republicans just dumbasses? Are Republicans all servile to Israel, which wants chaos in the Middle East? For America's interests, this may be the dumbest war in modern history.

That you actually think Iran wasn't well on its way to developing nuclear weapons - regardless of any "perfectly good deal under Obama" - just shows how naive you are.

Why the hell should Americans care if Iran has a nuclear program? They're not going to launch missiles at Des Moines. And Republicans are perfectly fine with North Korea and Pakistan having nuclear weapons - and importantly the missiles - that can actually do some damage. The Obama agreement would have delayed Iran's capabilities for decades. What Republicans have done has ensured Iran will control the Strait of Hormuz and fast-track their nuclear program. It is the naivete and delusions of Republicans that have made everything much more dangerous. And again, we did this at Israel's behest. Maybe Republicans should spend a minute thinking about America's best interests.

The utter stupidity of this argument.

Are you going to tell us why Israel can have 100s and Iran can’t development their own?

Not that Iran was doing it under the agreement that a competent administration put together that was torn up by pedo.

I’m more concerned Israel would nuke us before North Korea, Russia, Iran, or Pakistan would. Israel doesn’t follow rule of law.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why Republicans want this war with Iran. There was a perfectly good deal under Obama that constrained Iran's nuclear program and kept the Strait of Hormuz open for everyone. Every war plan and gaming exercise started with the assumption that Iran would seize control of Hormuz and take control of 20 percent of the world's oil and gas. That's rudimentary geopolitics. So why start a war at all when the US already had everything they wanted under Obama - free passage and no nukes for Iran. And now there is zero change Iran is going to give up control of Hormuz and abstain from pursuing nuclear weapons.

So what was the point? The US - and the world - is the huge strategic loser here. Are Republicans just dumbasses? Are Republicans all servile to Israel, which wants chaos in the Middle East? For America's interests, this may be the dumbest war in modern history.

That you actually think Iran wasn't well on its way to developing nuclear weapons - regardless of any "perfectly good deal under Obama" - just shows how naive you are.

Let’s say Iran did have nuclear weapons during the Obama years and were able to hide this from inspectors. What difference does it make? A decade has gone by and they’ve not attacked anyone with it. Also if they do have nuclears, why are we poking the bear? This is the second time in less than a year that we declared war on Iran. They could’ve easily closed the strait of Hormuz and attacked all our bases last year when we first declared war but they showed restraint with the orange clown. Now, they are angry and flexing their muscle throughout the region. This time, after the false peace treaties and our bombings of civilian infrastructure including a school, they were pissed and decided to retaliate with force to serve as a deterrent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump and Vance trying to strong arm the Pope right now because they’re thinking 8-10 years out and the Pope can disrupt it all.

As a person of faith, this is deeply disturbing and upsetting. Please make them stop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So it looks like USA has to put pressure on Israel to stop bombing in order to open the Strait. This should be interesting.
I’m all for it. As long as Bibi is in control, we have to cut off Israel.

If you look at today's war footage from Beirut, it is very clear Israel is continuing with their mayhem. A lot of innocent people died today. But markets are up, so whatever. Maybe I was a little innocent before, but it is shocking how much power Israel has over the US. It's a midget county with no strategic relevance whatsoever, and we are spending billions and billions being their hired help and fighting their dumb wars. But I think Israel has sensed that both Democrats and Republicans have had enough of their crap, so they are going all in while a boomer tool like Trump is still in power. There will be no peace until a new administration cuts them off from all the weapons we send them. Israelis will continue to send it until that happens.

That "midget" country punches *way* above its weight and provides the U.S. with crucial intelligence and power in a complicated region. You can dislike its current government, and even Jews in general if you lean that way, but let's not pretend that nation is irrelevant.

Israeli intelligence is highly overrated and usually wrong. Their own intel failed them with Iran. Mossad thought internal protests would bring down the Iranian government but that has not happened. They also were wrong about Iraq and WMD’s and I’m certain they are wrong about nuclear weapons and Iran. They have paranoia that other countries are holding secret stockpiles of nukes just like they are

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why Republicans want this war with Iran. There was a perfectly good deal under Obama that constrained Iran's nuclear program and kept the Strait of Hormuz open for everyone. Every war plan and gaming exercise started with the assumption that Iran would seize control of Hormuz and take control of 20 percent of the world's oil and gas. That's rudimentary geopolitics. So why start a war at all when the US already had everything they wanted under Obama - free passage and no nukes for Iran. And now there is zero change Iran is going to give up control of Hormuz and abstain from pursuing nuclear weapons.

So what was the point? The US - and the world - is the huge strategic loser here. Are Republicans just dumbasses? Are Republicans all servile to Israel, which wants chaos in the Middle East? For America's interests, this may be the dumbest war in modern history.

That you actually think Iran wasn't well on its way to developing nuclear weapons - regardless of any "perfectly good deal under Obama" - just shows how naive you are.

Why the hell should Americans care if Iran has a nuclear program? They're not going to launch missiles at Des Moines. And Republicans are perfectly fine with North Korea and Pakistan having nuclear weapons - and importantly the missiles - that can actually do some damage. The Obama agreement would have delayed Iran's capabilities for decades. What Republicans have done has ensured Iran will control the Strait of Hormuz and fast-track their nuclear program. It is the naivete and delusions of Republicans that have made everything much more dangerous. And again, we did this at Israel's behest. Maybe Republicans should spend a minute thinking about America's best interests.

The utter stupidity of this argument.

Try again. Where is the strategic importance of Israel to America’s interests? And how did ripping up the agreement Obama signed and launching this war with Iran further America’s interests? Right now, Iran controls the Strait of Hormuz and 20 percent of the world’s energy. And they will totally pursue nuclear weapons at this point. How has this been a good thing for America?

And I’m going to guess you value Israel’s interests over America’s. They are not the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why Republicans want this war with Iran. There was a perfectly good deal under Obama that constrained Iran's nuclear program and kept the Strait of Hormuz open for everyone. Every war plan and gaming exercise started with the assumption that Iran would seize control of Hormuz and take control of 20 percent of the world's oil and gas. That's rudimentary geopolitics. So why start a war at all when the US already had everything they wanted under Obama - free passage and no nukes for Iran. And now there is zero change Iran is going to give up control of Hormuz and abstain from pursuing nuclear weapons.

So what was the point? The US - and the world - is the huge strategic loser here. Are Republicans just dumbasses? Are Republicans all servile to Israel, which wants chaos in the Middle East? For America's interests, this may be the dumbest war in modern history.

That you actually think Iran wasn't well on its way to developing nuclear weapons - regardless of any "perfectly good deal under Obama" - just shows how naive you are.

Why the hell should Americans care if Iran has a nuclear program? They're not going to launch missiles at Des Moines. And Republicans are perfectly fine with North Korea and Pakistan having nuclear weapons - and importantly the missiles - that can actually do some damage. The Obama agreement would have delayed Iran's capabilities for decades. What Republicans have done has ensured Iran will control the Strait of Hormuz and fast-track their nuclear program. It is the naivete and delusions of Republicans that have made everything much more dangerous. And again, we did this at Israel's behest. Maybe Republicans should spend a minute thinking about America's best interests.

The utter stupidity of this argument.

Are you going to tell us why Israel can have 100s and Iran can’t development their own?

Not that Iran was doing it under the agreement that a competent administration put together that was torn up by pedo.

DP.

I will.

1. One country is overtly committed to the destruction of the US. The other is not.

2. Once a country has nukes, it is very difficult to take them away (for reasons that are too obvious to mention). By comparison, it’s much more feasible to prevent a country from acquiring nuclear capability in the first place.

One country is currently destroying the US.

It’s not Iran.